I agree with your assessment JackHill. If you look at the pictures that Cygnific posted, even the "pre-ship" footage is incredibly detailed and accurate. So I'm leaning towards it being footage from another Apollo mission. If it's not, then I have a hard time believing that this can be simply written off as a miniature model created by a hoaxer.

Fake or not, I'm surprised as to how unimpressed everyone is by this footage. Other, much less convincing hoaxes have garnered way more attention, such as that miserable fake picture of the O'Hare UFO.

I beg to differ. Doesn't matter what the materials are, the shadows would have the same value & tone -- all rocks, no matter what kind, cast the same density shadows.

The "city" is clearly a chalk drawing. I've made drawings like that myself. Not of a moon city per se, but I know what chalk on black paper looks like, and that is the real deal. Chalk on paper that is, and not an "alien moon city."

Say an object is semi transparent, would that cast the same shadow as a non transparent object? Still, pointless to discuss, you've made up your mind

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Originally posted by Postal76
I agree with your assessment JackHill. If you look at the pictures that Cygnific posted, even the "pre-ship" footage is incredibly detailed and accurate. So I'm leaning towards it being footage from another Apollo mission. If it's not, then I have a hard time believing that this can be simply written off as a miniature model created by a hoaxer.

Fake or not, I'm surprised as to how unimpressed everyone is by this footage. Other, much less convincing hoaxes have garnered way more attention, such as that miserable fake picture of the O'Hare UFO.

Ok then, I think we can discard one option at least, trying to find if any footage coming from Apollo 15 or Apollo 17 match this one. Let's dig!

People say it may be CGI or a model,I think it could be CGI.I don't think it's a photoshop program as some suggest but more then likely a high end PC with a very good CGI program.

Why couldn't someone who work's for a special effects/CGI company not use one of these PC's in there spare time?. It could also be someone rich with enough money to be able to buy one of these high end CGI computer's that are used for movie's and also has some skills to utilize it.

There has been a lot of recent UFO video's that are of very high quality CGI lately.

Originally posted by JCM
I have been waiting to see this for a long long time, saw stills of this long ago! Nice to have a copy of it for further study.

Thanks for the post, if you boost your volume there is some audio in there. I feel sorry for you guys that think we never went to the moon. You guys stay in your caves because there’s a big ass tigers out here that's going to eat you!

JCM

PS I saw still images of this back in 1992 - It is shocking to see how many of you have been programmed to ignore your intuition!

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this is interesting. if you can tell more about it, where did you see these stills and so on?

Originally posted by Lexion
Originally posted by carnival_of_souls2047

This is all classified need-to-know basis stuff. In fact, flights have been made to the moon since 1962 and all of those were done in a veil of secrecy and this is only a scratch on the surface to what's going on with the moon and Mars.

Wow, just wow.

It's "need to know" and "done in a veil of secrecy", yet YOU seem to know,
and feel it's ok to share this on the internet ?

My B.S. meter just hit 11.

Geez,
Lex

I'm very comfortable with all of my comments and opinions on the Apollo space program. I've gleaned much of my information from John Lear, Bob Lazar (whom I highly respect) and many documentaries featuring comments made by Neil Armstrong as well as others. You are most certainly free to disagree with my views on the secret space program that exists today.

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
I looked at the city video and it was utterly fake. The city itself looked like a chalk drawing on black art paper and the tone and value of the B&W was different than the tone & value of the surrounding landscape.

It's interesting to note that I've seen images from the moon that looked like they had immense spiders in them. Not sure if they are alive or robotic. When i saw that city, the weird white threads wrapping the buildings reminded me of spider webs. It doesn't look real, but it does at the same time. The entire thing is just confusing.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by carnival_of_souls2047
Even if this video isn't the real Apollo 20 mission there most certainly was multiple missions besides the ones that were for public relations to show where their tax dollars went. Apollo 18, Apollo 19 and Apollo 20

WHERE is the evidence for anything you've said? Extra moon missions? Strip mining the moon? The obligatory military industrial conspiracy?

Please refer to John Lear's moon photos on this site. There are multiple images that show strip-mining operations as well as equipment, vehicles, buildings, etc. There are also documentaries on this very subject on youtube that you can do a search for that involve John Lear, Bob Lazar, Richard Hoagland, etc speaking with the host of Coast 2 Coast A.M. I have literally hundreds of images in my personal files of inexplicable evidence of activity going on there at the moon. Surely you didn't think that the government was telling you everything there is to know so you can sleep at night under your favorite comforter with your hands tightly wrapped around your clutch pillow. If you think the government/military is telling you everything then you should ask Pat Tillman's mother (Pat was an NFL player who joined the army after 911 and died by so-called friendly fire) what she thinks about the response they gave her about the circumstances ofher son's death. In short, they said Pat Tillman died fighting the Taliban. As I can assure you, that was not the case. Your turn.

Again, why discuss this here, when we should push retiredafb to post all 22 hours of what he claimes he has and come up with highres material and maybe provide another source than himself. After that, you can discuss this.

You are all undoubtedly very smart, but that is not the issue, or is it?

i cant beleive people are being sucked into this rubbish!

so many people have put posts saying well done! nice piece of work! very good fake. The point is its people like this guy that are making it so hard to descover the truth!!

i say not very nice work! RUBBISH....stop posting s**t and do something constructive with your time!

Originally posted by The-Brown-One
i cant beleive people are being sucked into this rubbish!

so many people have put posts saying well done! nice piece of work! very good fake. The point is its people like this guy that are making it so hard to descover the truth!!

i say not very nice work! RUBBISH....stop posting s**t and do something constructive with your time!

I don't know what posts you are referring to? I certainly haven't read all the posts in this thread but I have yet to see someone blatantly just giving cudos 'for a great hoax'. What I have seen however are people trying to give their point of view, stating that 'if a hoax - it's a rather well done hoax', which I think is very well worth mentioning since many seem to bunk this simply because "there were no apollo 20" or "it looks like a miniature" without looking much further into the material. The topic of "well done hoax" vs "poor hoax" is in itself interesting in order to evaluate the material, this along with other factors tips the scale towards less or more credible information.

Then again I guess some could do something more constructive with their time and follow your cue as to what a meaningful post is and isn't.

Originally posted by Samblak
People say it may be CGI or a model,I think it could be CGI.I don't think it's a photoshop program as some suggest but more then likely a high end PC with a very good CGI program.

Why couldn't someone who work's for a special effects/CGI company not use one of these PC's in there spare time?. It could also be someone rich with enough money to be able to buy one of these high end CGI computer's that are used for movie's and also has some skills to utilize it.

There has been a lot of recent UFO video's that are of very high quality CGI lately.

For the sake of argument. I think (in fact I know, I'm a fairly avid user but I also know people in the motion graphics industry) it's dangerous to think that software like photoshop or video and 3D rasterizing/editing software that are available to decent "regular" personal computers can't produce material of the likes that would be needed in order to produce images of enough quality to match the ones discussed in this thread.

High end, specialized machines today are mostly used for render farms or for complex simulations of materials and physics, usually with customized software and/or scripts.

After effects, photoshop and some 3D software on a decent high-end pc would be enough to produce material such as this. In fact After effects + photoshop would do just fine.

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APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff of Apollo 20 saturne 5
From: retiredafb
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Whatch this one on youtube and if you beleive anything this guy post's you are almost as delusional as him.

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by Anubis Kanubis
If there were other Apollo missions, we wouldn't know.

Like I said earlier, the Saturn V was and still is the largest rocket ever made and launched. Launching one of those wouldn't go unnoticed. We would know about it if there were anymore Apollo missions. Even classified satellite launches don't go unnoticed. The cargo itself may be classified, but people can still observe the launches. Heck even amateur astronomers observe and track Keyhole satellites all the time. It would be hard, if not, impossible to launch a rocket without anyone seeing it.

Plus their are many mistakes and errors in the various "Apollo 20" clips too.

That's why they launch Saturn rockets at a secret base in the Antartic and use electronic stealth technology to avoid detection. The public is probably behind around 50 years in actual level of technology being employed today in secret quarters.

So obviously a fake its not even funny

Nobody have any movies from Apollo 15-17 when they are near Lukte And Delporte? It might explain alot.

Don't even worry about the footage. The guy's response to an inquiry shows he is not a native English speaker. Nothing wrong with that, but he claims to have been the American CDR of the expedition. No educated American would ever talk like that, period.

"will be useful for me to authentify myself..."

authentify? Sorry. End of story.

It's so easy to disacredit this guy... we just need to find a flight video over Delporte and Lutke craters from Apollo 15 or 17! Because like I said before, if it's some sort of recreation, at least the pre-ship part, it's INCREDIBLY accurate.

wow stunning, you people really cant see whats wrong with this? The camera movements are like he's panning around a table top model (if anything) imagine the point of view from the orbiter wizzing around to capture the angles in the video..it just did'nt do that kind of manouvers. Think about it..