Video Surfaces Showing Kurdish Girl Stoned to Death for Relationship With Iraqi Sunni Boy

I agree with DJMessiah we should clarify the truth..All religious groups have committed acts of barbarism at some point and many are still as we saw in the video committing these acts today.Christians,Muslims,and jewish .It does not matter what religion these people belong to...people are just killing in the name of God! It amazes me every day these people who claim to speak for God.Here we have a young girl who's life was taken away for what?I mean think about this...she was killed for doing something that is good.She and the young Muslim boy broke down the barriers that seperate them and for all we know were in love...I guess that is a bad thing in this world now.I am scared for my own daughter to be brought up in this world these days.

Something else I was thinking about situations like this, you know----you just know that there are people in that crowd that want to help her, but by doing so they would probably be stoned just the same. It's easy for us to sit here and call them all animals, but fact of the matter is that there are people there that would help if they could, I really believe that. Religion and custom aside, humanity resides in all of us.

Peace

Dr. Love.......Yes!

You are so very right. All in all I believe this is at the very heart of the subject. Self preservation. Self-preservation a major tenet in all major religions. It becomes readily obvious why such horrid acts of violence take place. That is, because people want to secure their way of life they way they know it without change. They fear change and feel they have to protect their way of life by any means. Even if those means are stoning a poor defenseless girl in the street. Change would mean they would be in fear of having to deal with situations they are not used to.

Self preservation is probably why so many people did nothing in this case. Cowards.
My only fear is that this is not only widespread in middle-eastern countries. This is a worldwide dilemma. The only ones who seem to have gotten by without self preservation as their "reason" to be evil are the one's strpping bombs to their bodies. Even Worse! What hope does humanity have?

This is just depressing!

We need to find a common thread with the world, and weave a blanket of humanity.

Isalm and muslim is the same Islam is the religion and muslim is the people who belive in Isalm-so I thought. If these aren't muslims then I have no idea who they are. Muslims is the only ones I know of that kills someone if they refuse to convert or converts to a different religion or if the girl somehow dishonors her family.

They're from the Yazidi religion.



Then I guess you don't know many Muslims.



Same as above. How many Muslims do you know?

I really see nothing but a whole bunch of colors. There is no discernible picture at all.

It dosen't matter how many muslims I know. What does that have to do with anything? Ok then explain this Isalm to me then. What are their beliefs? The Yazidi region who lives over there? Pretty much all of the Middle East is Isalmic. Except for Isreal which is a mix of Jews, Muslims, and Christians. Isalm is parted in two Sunni's and Shiites. They all give women little regard anyway so this stoning death of the 17 year old though shocking is not a surprise to me. If it preaches it in the Koran for jihad then thats the way it is. And jihad means holy war. So knowing the fact that I refused to convert to Isalm can you assure me my safety if I returned to Eygpt? No perhaps not because I emailed my friend awhile back telling him this and so far no reply. So what does that tell you?

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I would say it does, considering how you said that you know only Muslims kill unbelievers. If you don't know any Muslims, how can you say that?




They're not Muslim. If you would like me to give you a history of Islam, I will be happy to in another thread.



This should help





Every country has Jews, Christians, and Muslims.



Sunni, Shi'ites, and Suffis, not including sub-groups such as Nation of Islam.



I disagree. Either you're saying this as your opinion based on lack of research, or you're misinformed. If "all" Muslims mistreat women, then why is it that women convert to Islam?



The Quran does preach Jihad, but now I see you you're stating your opinions as fact. Jihad does not mean "Holy War." If you spoke Arabic, and you should considering your statement that said you're from Egypt and were to return there, you would know that "Jihad" means "struggle." The Jihad the Quran preaches is struggle to do good over evil, and choose peace over violence.



Who would harm you in Egypt, and exactly which parts are you from? I seriously doubt anyone would kill you there for refusing to convert to Islam, considering I traveled to there with my Jewish friend, who wasn't threatened at all.



That tells me that they either didn't get your message, they're busy at the moment to reply, or that you didn't ask nicely. Maybe you should ask them again.

[edit on 7-5-2007 by DJMessiah]

Well I know some muslims- Are you wanting to count all the people I met in Egypt? ....... To many to count. The Kurds still have some ties with Isalm. Isalm from what I heard is supposed to teach peace, correct? Perhaps this was the doing of Bush to make us think Muslims are bad.

I was asked to convert before I left Egypt if I refused will I be in danger?
You would not believe the fits my family had when they learned I went to Egypt. I miss it and I miss my good friends over there big time. I knew how they treated me but my family here does not nor do they want to hear it.

Would you feel the same way if that girl was your daughter?
This thread is out of control, it's about a human being, killed like an animal. Some of you are comdemning a whole country, and some of you are only concerned with this making a religion looking bad.

Your right and I apolozize. This event was horrible and it should not have happened. No one should be taking up for this kind of behavor anyway. I heard of it happening before not in this way but it was close enough a girl died because she converted to Christianity. You can't force people to choose a religion and then threaten to kill them if they refuse. This is murder no matter what religion is involved its flat out wrong.

I only one comment about that video and those people.

They have a very undeveloped mind, the bible talks about people that were stoned to death, and that's thousands of years ago, but still after many, many generations these people haven't civilized yet. What a shame, what shame. Talk about slow evolution.

Ok,I have seen the video.

You know, I have tried to be civil about this; I have tried to be fair; but, I am sorry, these people are just sick. They have an illness that there is no cure for.

The inevitable is coming for them though, sooner or later.

Its easy to say "lets round em all up and nuke em and let god sort em out". But lets be fair, there are many just like this girl that live in this volatile region that dont deserve death. If we were to just 'kill them all' we would be killing innocent beings just like this girl who had nothing to do with such criminal acts. Now I would be in favor of executing all that murdered this poor girl. But we cannot judge an entire ppl based on this. One question though. WHERE THE HELL IS THE MUSLIM OUTRAGE FROM EVENTS SUCH AS THESE? We all know that drawing a cartoon is one way to spark it, but what about stoning a 17 year old girl to death just because she 'saw someone'?

And didnt her father carry here out to the streets to begin the stoning?.. Some father she had...

Well, I agree with you that it's sad that many innocent people have to die. Without getting the thread too off topic, let me just say that I don't think the "war on terrorism" is likely to have a happy ending for very many Middle Easterners, I just don't.

However, I too wonder where the Muslim outrage is. I suspect that there is none because it falls well within the principles of Sharia Law. The family members of this girl, yes, they were family members that killed her, have the audacity to call this killing a "Honor killing." I see no honor in anything they did.NONE.

You see, when I try to change my feelings about the Islamic faith, something like this happens to reaffirm what I feel deep down about them is true.

By the way, if people such as the ones that killed this innocent girl have their way, such will be the practice all around the world. The goal of these people is not the submission to God, but total control through Sharia law. If you think these people, or, from what I can gather, this religion have our welfare in mind, you are seriously mistaken.

I am open to just about any belief system that exists and I have tried to be fair, but I cannot abide a faith such as this idly. Any group of people that would viciously do such a thing to their own flesh and blood can't be worth the cells that make up their puny bodies.

I am sorry to sound hateful, but fierceness must be met with equal and superior ferociousness. It must be a ferociousness that argues on the side of truth and rationality, not on preconceived dogmas that should have been left in the century it was developed.



[edit on 8-5-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Its probably on foreign sites in Urdu, or Farsi, or any one of a few different languages. Just because its not on ATS and translated into English for your convinience does not mean its not there.

I can see why Saddam gassed these bastards. What a worthless group of people. They should all be removed from society and not allowed to spread their seed; publicly casterated, impaled and left to rot. I can't think of a punishment sick enough for these zealots.

I wasnt referring to ATS. I was more or less looking for protests from the muslim world to stop such evil acts from happening. We all know that cartoon drawings of Mohammad are one way to kick start one off. But killing an innocent child in this manner is somehow 'acceptable'? Maybe Im asking to much from the muslim world? But such acts have got to stop..

This sadly is all to true. If they had it there way this world would be under extreme religious law, those who would dare to double cross it would pay the ultimate price with there life.

This is the type of nut jobs that we are up against in the mideast. If we pack up and retreat, we will only invite these idiots over here where they will be able to inflict mass damage on us. Thats why its better to fight them "over there" then it would be to fight them "over here". The foiled plot by the 6 terrorist to shoot up and army basic training facility is a glimpse at what we 'could' be up against in the future if the democrats have their way.