Child snatched on holiday( new sightings and CCTV)

I really really hope this turns out to be her,

i have a feeling this will turn out to be her as there was a sighting there before and again this Dutch man is mentioned, and also a british women,

Fingers crossed for Weds!

ALSO

Suspects house being searched again,

news.sky.com...

[edit on 4-8-2007 by asala]

Searches at Murat’s house

in Murat’s house

Suspect in Belgium

Hi,

According to the Portuguese Police (PJ), the last 2 days searches in Murat house was to confirm/or deny Murat participation, and today they suspect of Madeleine be killed in the apartment and be there (as dead body) around 2/4 hours, maybe a kill by accident and the kidnapping is losing momentum. The parents and friends will go again to enquires at the Portuguese Police.

According to the Belgium Police, the Portuguese Police was not advised about the Belgium suspect, doe to week evidences.

The McCann couple maybe charged of negligence by UK authorities.

More references (in Portuguese):
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. www.portugaldiario.iol.pt...

brotherthebig.

Sorry, dup post and no delete option.

brotherthebig.

[edit on 2007/8/6 by brotherthebig]

I have to say that I am becoming really disturbed by the UK press reporting of this investigation.

After the highly publicised reporting of the renewed searches of Murat's home over the last few days TV news has just reported the discovery of what may be blood in the McCann's apartment. They have even reported the fact that the dogs being used to search the apartment were specialist animals from the UK trained to search for body parts.

Strangely, despite the fact that both the written and broadcast media have been delighted for some months to do everything other than actually accuse Murat of abducting the child no one appears to have the nerve to report the obvious fact that the Portuguese police are suspicious that the child died in the apartment and that if that is the case then the parents must be involved in some way. Instead we were treated again this morning to criticism of the police.

Family and friends of Maddi under vigilance


Hi,

The Portuguese Police think that Maddie was killed in May 3 in the apartment, by accident or violent crime, after the body could be sent to seawater, between 6PM and 9PM only Maddie’s parents saw her with life and now they are again under suspicion and some friends. Their jeep was investigated and more vehicles, including Murat’s mother car.

Another suspect is under vigilance that started some weeks ago, he is a man and could be Murat’s abetter.

The kidnap scenario was abandoned based on calls made before and after Maddie disappear, according to the Portuguese Police.

I hope the case could be solved until the end of the month, but now everything in the investigations point to a tragic end for Maddie.

Maddie’s poster

More references:
. news.sky.com...
in Portuguese:
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. www.correiomanha.pt...
. ultimahora.publico.clix.pt...
. dn.sapo.pt...
. dn.sapo.pt...

brotherthebig.

Thanks, that's really interesting.

Although some of the evidence being reported over here now points towards the police thinking in this way there doesn't appear to be any part of the UK media which has the balls to suggest it themselves yet.

The McCanns have done a great job at projecting an image which means they receive sympathy and no one seems to want to run the risk of public outrage if they suggest that they may not be clean. Even some of the earlier implied criticism for neglecting the child has largely died out.

The SSN Link you posted shows just how a report which clearly suggests that the McCanns were involved has been turned around to express sympathy for the fact that the McCanns remain in the dark rather than asking the much more searching questions that seem to stand out pretty starkly.

[edit on 7-8-2007 by timeless test]

I might add that in most child murder cases, it turns out to be a parent or close relative.

I've criticised the parents from the off. I also dislike the sheer amount of prancing around they have been doing, both in relation to the fund raising, jet setting and meeting world figures and the seeming lack of grief shown.

From my POV, as I have a 3 year old little girl, I would be going spare. Absolutely ill will worry, grief and I certainly wouldn't be flying round the world, meeting the Pope and other leaders, basically making a spectacle of it all.

Something has never added up about this story. I think the British police should raid the McCanns home and see what they can turn up. Child porn perhaps? It seems alot of seemingly respectable people these day's are sick perverts.

Could they have been in Portugal for a paedophile ring meeting?

There does not seem to much focus on them, perhaps because of the way they have acted. Deflecting attention and making a huge show out of it would serve to eliminate them from inquiries.

The Portuguese newspaper "Jornal de Notícias", one of those who published the news yesterday, says that sources linked with the investigation said that it is very likely that the blood found was left there after the disappearance of Madeleine.

At the time of the first searches on the room occupied by the McCanns nobody noticed the blood stains, although that does not mean that they weren't there, but for a month and a half that room has been used as any other room of the resort, many people have used since then and this discovery is recent, making it probable that the blood was left by one recent occupant of the room.

Only the ADN analysis may shed some more light over this case, and the kidnap has not been discarded.

Today revelations


Hi,

In today morning Portuguese TVs news they say that 3 things will be revealed today, another one is that the French paedophilia that commit suicide in Switzerland was not related to Maddie.
1 - The Spanish reporter António Toscano that related Maddie and “El Francés” will come again today to the Algarve to talk with the Portuguese Police ( www.abovetopsecret.com... )
2 - The Belgium AND test from the can used by a girl that appear to be Maddie, will arrive at Portuguese Police, if that belong to Maddie the murder scenario will be drop ( www.abovetopsecret.com... )
3 – The Portuguese Police will enquire McCann couple and friends again, and the call intercepted by UK and Portuguese Police from them is the evidence that relate them to Maddie murder on May 3

I will try to update in the end of the day, but maybe other Portuguese members could do that during the day.

brotherthebig.

edit: link

[edit on 2007/8/8 by brotherthebig]

Thanks for this.

Do you have the background, or an English link, to the matter regarding the intercepted phone call. I have read a little in a very poor translation but I don't think it's been reported over here to the best of my knowledge.

Heres the link to the news that says the DNA on the drinks bottle do not match.

Drinks bottle DNA not Maddie's

CX.

After reading that story from the above post I have to ask myself this.
If the woman was so absolutely sure that the girl in the restaurant was Maddy, then why in the hell didnt she call the police right then, go to the manager there and find some way to prevent these people from leaving if they tried?

Today revelations (2)


Hi,

1-Toscano was not received by PJ, but related Bernard Alapetite (“El Frances”) with Jean Pierre Roffi that was connected to “Casa Pia” paedophilia case
2-The ADN belong not to Maddie but a man
3-The McCann couple was on PJ for 30 minutes, and they say that was a normal weekly meeting

The apartment blood was sent to England for analysis.

More references:
. news.sky.com...
in Portuguese:
. dn.sapo.pt...
. ultimahora.publico.clix.pt...
. www.correiomanha.pt...
in French:
. sosmaddie.dhblogs.be...

brotherthebig.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
After reading that story from the above post I have to ask myself this.
If the woman was so absolutely sure that the girl in the restaurant was Maddy, then why in the hell didnt she call the police right then, go to the manager there and find some way to prevent these people from leaving if they tried?

Yeah that kind of sucks doesn't it. Maybe she didn't want to make a scene or feel embarrassed by pointing fingers and accusations in the middle of the restaurant.

There's one real 100% sure way that she could have checked though, and that's the strange mark/line on one of her eyes. If she would have just looked closely at the girl and checked if she had that then she could definitely started attracting attention being sure that it was infact Madeleine.

Originally posted by stumason
I might add that in most child murder cases, it turns out to be a parent or close relative.

I've criticised the parents from the off. I also dislike the sheer amount of prancing around they have been doing, both in relation to the fund raising, jet setting and meeting world figures and the seeming lack of grief shown.

From my POV, as I have a 3 year old little girl, I would be going spare. Absolutely ill will worry, grief and I certainly wouldn't be flying round the world, meeting the Pope and other leaders, basically making a spectacle of it all.

Something has never added up about this story. I think the British police should raid the McCanns home and see what they can turn up. Child porn perhaps? It seems alot of seemingly respectable people these day's are sick perverts.

Could they have been in Portugal for a paedophile ring meeting?

There does not seem to much focus on them, perhaps because of the way they have acted. Deflecting attention and making a huge show out of it would serve to eliminate them from inquiries.

Your comments make me sick. If you turn out to be right I'll eat my own vomit.

So many people seem so determined to try for their fifteen minutes of fame that I really can't take any of these alleged sightings very seriously I'm afraid.

I saw in The Times this morning that local police and their British helpers have received the report of oceanographers into how the local tides and currents would move a body thrown into the sea and are now searching parts of the coast. I don't wish to be too negative but I wouldn't be surprised if the next bit of news to break is the discovery of a body in an isolated cove.

I hope I'm wrong.

I think this case review now taking place with British Police involved is throwing up some very interesting results. The most significant being the one about the blood in the apartment and the Police saying how this will change the direction of the investigation. Abducting a child in a 30 minute interval between the alleged checks by the Parents is one thing. 'Snatch and Go' if you will but if as the Police have suggested this points to the child being murdered in situ then murder and clean up in 30 minutes?

There's been something awfully wrong about this case from the get go. Many people have expressed it here, in the press, in Portugal, on forums. This latest stuff about telephone tap evidence also is highly interesting. I hope the investigation now is looking at the very real possibility that all has not been as it has seemed and been presented.

I think we do have to bear in mind as one of our Portuguese posters said yesterday that the apartment has been occupied by other families since Madeleine disappeared so the blood may have nothing to do with the McCanns.

However, it is futile and disingenuous of the mother to start complaining about the attitude of the press when she and her husband have so far had a very very easy ride from the media and they have exploited it for their own publicity ever since the child's disappearance. They have really invited this kind of speculation ever since they started to turn themselves into some perverse kind of celebrities.

If one of mine was snatched I wouldn't be able to go home to a normal life and I'd try my damnedest to make sure the whole planet recognised my missing loved one's face via TV, radio, newspapers, the lot. And if that meant holding back the tears to try to speak coherently, I would. There's only so many tears you can cry anyway. Do you really expect that couple to be weeping hysterically every second of the day? That just isn't possible.Also, I don't think it's condescending to advise other parents to be more vigilant. Even the most careful among us can benefit from a reminder. Some of the comments here would suggest the couple want fame and fortune, others suggest much worse. I think there's only one thing on their mind. They want their kid back.

Well here is part of the problem, I'm not sure any of us really know exactly how we might react in such an awful situation.

I certainly don't expect them to be weeping hysterically every time I see them but personally I find it odd that I'm seeing so much of them in any condition. There are plenty of ways of keeping their story on the news agenda without fronting up to the TV and press camera themselves. I am constantly bothered by the fact that the very last thing I would want, (I think), is the continual intrusion into what was left of my life. As for not being able to live a normal life, well they're not the first parents to lose a child and they have two others to consider who can still enjoy that normality given the chance. I really believe they have to start thinking of them pretty quickly.

I don't know what the McCanns are trying to achieve, (other than their child's safe return), and their motivation may be entirely honest and honourable, I hope so, but like a number of others on here I find their behaviour odd, and it is odd against the background of a story with a number of odd features. It is a well known scenario that criminals will often over compensate in trying to cover up their acts, good examples were Ian Huntley in Soham and Russell Bishop in Brighton, (he was never convicted to be fair but widely believed to be a killer), and police will use that behaviour if they are able to.

Taking into account what was correctly said earlier that murders, (against all victims), and all forms of child abuse are most commonly carried out by family members or close friends the Portuguese police would be downright irresponsible if the parents were not high on the list of suspects even before their publicity quest.

Finally, and I know I'm sounding harsh here, but I do not want to be lectured on or reminded of parental responsibility by anyone who left their three infant children unattended in a holiday apartment whist they went out for a nice meal with their friends and I don't care how many times they went back to check on them. Which is probably just as well as they don't appear able to remember themselves.