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reply posted on 25-5-2007 @ 05:20 PM by annestacey
Originally posted by Jazzerman
Sorry, but there are innumerable diseases caused by other adverse stimulants. HIV, HPV, SARS, H5N1, Genital Warts, Hepatitis A through G, even cancer and many others have never been proven to be caused by chemicals. No one, including physicians, have pinpointed the direct cause of many diseases and anyone that tells you different is lying. I hate to be so blunt, but it's just not true.



Just because it hasn't been "proven" that these diseases are caused by chemicals doesn't mean that they are not. There is also no proof yet as to the total sum effect of all the chemicals that are in our bodies. No one has done that research although it is getting started.

It has been shown that eating a bag of doritos and drinking a diet pepsi causes neurological damage. It's the combination of MSG, aspartame and two food colorings.

And don't assume everyone else is lying just because the FDA does it on a regular basis. Some people have found the direct cause of diseases and you're choosing not to believe it.

In fact, labs routinely use a substance to create cancer in lab rats (sodium nitrate). It also happens to be the same substance added to practically every packaged meat product in the supermarket in order to make the product appear to be fresh when it's not.

So don't say that the direct cause of diseases can't be pinpointed. They know exactly how to create cancer and they know how to heal it. They're just not telling YOU.



reply posted on 26-5-2007 @ 12:35 PM by Long Lance
cancer can be caused by micronutirent deficiencies (see www.abovetopsecret.com... for more). i will focus on Vitamin D, partly because this thread is derailed anyways and partly because it's good example, which is even indirectly connected to mood 'disorders'. (via sunlight exposure)


first off, Vitamin D is synthesized by absorbing UV-B rays, which are invariably blocked by sun lotions, which are supposedly dangerous, yet somehow essential for our health. it typical of med-style new-speak that all bases are covered, damned if you do, damned if you don't but you knew all along so it's your fault.

two short paragraphs, which should raise a few eyebrows:


Source: www.sciencenews.org...


Our skin evolved to create vitamin D when it's exposed to the sun's ultraviolet (UV) rays. So, when most of the world's population lived in or near equatorial regions, people had no shortfall of the nutrient, with their bodies making from 10,000 to 20,000 international units (IUs) of this vitamin each day

....

Although vitamin pills can provide much or all of the U.S. recommended daily intake (RDI) of D for children and adults—200 to 600 IU, depending on age—bone and mineral researchers have lately been recommending that people get much, much more (SN: 10/16/04, p. 248). In fact, some scientists have advised the federal government to boost the vitamin D RDI up to at least 1,000 IU and to bump up the certified-safe limit beyond the current 2,000 IU.

...



and that, my friends is still just one thenth of the natural amount. Vitamin D is of course fat soluble and can therefore be overdosed, which is why they still remain at 1/10 - this rule of thumb is based on toxicology, where everything is regarded as a toxin, the same rule is used in EM wave absorption guidelines, crank it up until something happens, then take 1/10 the amount and be done, roughly.

the approach has its place, i wish it was thoroughbly used on MSG, for example, or food dyes but all in all, producing results by 'mass production' will not increase the quality of data, obviously.


now back to 'mood disorders'

www.eurekalert.org...

Authors of a research letter in this week's issue of THE LANCET provide further evidence that the effect of sunlight on neurotransmitters in the brain plays a significant role in seasonal mood disorders.
The success of phototherapy (ultraviolet light therapy to stimulate brain neurotransmitter activity) and drugs that prevent the reuptake of the neurotransmitter serotonin have suggested that serotonin itself has a role in the development of seasonal depression. However, concentrations of serotonin and other neurotransmitters including dopamine and norepinephrine are normal in the cerebrospinal fluid of patients with seasonal affective disorder.




so, what would do the trick more cheaply and with less risk? drugs or full spectrum lighting? who of you would pick the drug? honestly.


reply posted on 4-6-2007 @ 01:15 PM by Boondock78
sorry and truly no offense meant but the only thing i can say is IMO, it is borderline mental to think you can cure/prevent cancer by eating hot peppers....you really honestly believe that?

if so, i am rushing my stepfather over some habenro's right now..he has cml and is on all kinds of meds(mainly gleevac which hey is working...)...
but if he has been or starts to eat some peppers he will get better?

placebo....annestacey, how much money do you think you have been fleeced out of by buying these books and such?


if it worked, everyone would be doing it...dontcha think...i mean, 'we' are not supposed to know about this but hey, thanks to you and this forum, i do know about it. so do all the others in this thread and the probably millions of people that have been fleeced by this stuff.
it simply don't work...

but hey, if eating better reduced your anxiety , thats a great thing. far cry from curing cancer though.
i have suffered from horrible migraines my entire adult life. i just recently found my trigger....processed crap meats like hot dogs and such.
eat a dog and explode into a migraine.


i'm on lexapro and i'm not about to substitute it with st johns wart or garlic or ginko biloba. while i don't always agree and science is fallable, i go with science.
again, not to say natural things don't help.
MJ is natural and helps with apetite for example. but dude, if you get cancer, you're not going to have a fighting chance without 'modern' medicine.
i stand by that


reply posted on 4-6-2007 @ 04:29 PM by annestacey
Originally posted by Boondock78
sorry and truly no offense meant but the only thing i can say is IMO, it is borderline mental to think you can cure/prevent cancer by eating hot peppers....you really honestly believe that?

if so, i am rushing my stepfather over some habenro's right now..he has cml and is on all kinds of meds(mainly gleevac which hey is working...)...
but if he has been or starts to eat some peppers he will get better?

placebo....annestacey, how much money do you think you have been fleeced out of by buying these books and such?


if it worked, everyone would be doing it...dontcha think...i mean, 'we' are not supposed to know about this but hey, thanks to you and this forum, i do know about it. so do all the others in this thread and the probably millions of people that have been fleeced by this stuff.
it simply don't work...

but hey, if eating better reduced your anxiety , thats a great thing. far cry from curing cancer though.
i have suffered from horrible migraines my entire adult life. i just recently found my trigger....processed crap meats like hot dogs and such.
eat a dog and explode into a migraine.


i'm on lexapro and i'm not about to substitute it with st johns wart or garlic or ginko biloba. while i don't always agree and science is fallable, i go with science.
again, not to say natural things don't help.
MJ is natural and helps with apetite for example. but dude, if you get cancer, you're not going to have a fighting chance without 'modern' medicine.
i stand by that


The information I have given is free of charge on the NewsTarget website. They do not charge anyone for this information. People are being cured everyday with foods and herbs, you just don't hear about it because the FDA and pharma companies don't want you to know about it. They want you to be taking their medications. Doctors are being paid huge amounts of money to push dangerous drugs all the time.

For me personally, I will always choose natural cures over synthetic ones. All you have to do is read the articles. It's that simple. And if you choose not to believe it, then don't.


reply posted on 4-6-2007 @ 05:07 PM by Jazzerman
Originally posted by annestacey
The information I have given is free of charge on the NewsTarget website. They do not charge anyone for this information. People are being cured everyday with foods and herbs, you just don't hear about it because the FDA and pharma companies don't want you to know about it.


First of all, NewsTarget is not a reliable source. They are a very biased site; in fact, any site that only promotes one side of any argument should not be considered a viable source of information. Just try to use a source like that in a professional paper and see what the result would be. I see nowhere that anyone has done peer reviewing of that particular source to back up any of the claims made on it. Most of the articles on Newstarget are written by the self proclaimed "Health Ranger" Mike Adams who appears to have no substance behind his claims. He never makes reference as to where he got his professional knowledge from in this field (i.e. what Degree he holds) other than the supposition that he used to weigh a bit more and got rid of the weight through the methods on his website. That alone should be a major factor in determining his reliability and credibility on health related subjects.

Secondly, about the statement that people are being cured with foods and herbs everyday...there is no evidence to back up this claim (from an un-biased source). Also, bear in mind that as I have pointed out previously, it may not entirely be about what herbs and food you are taking that get rid of an ailment, but rather what you are "getting rid of" in your diet that was causing you to have a certain ailment. For example: Let's say you are getting Migraines from processed meat such as Hotdogs as Boondock78 pointed out happens to him. Now, lets say you start on a diet to get rid of these migraines and the diet includes natural herbs, fruits and vegetables. Also, say you stop eating processed meats like Hotdogs at the same time you start this diet...

Was it the herbs, fruits, and vegetables that got rid of your migraines?

OR

Was it the lack of Hotdogs that got rid of your migraine?

I think most anyone would agree that to effectively reduce the risk of another migraine (in this case), getting rid of processed meats had more to do with a recent decline in the amount of migraines one would have; rather than a natural remedy (i.e. eating herbs, fruits, and veggies) curing the migraines. This example can be used over and over again to point out that their are certain triggers that people have grown accustomed to that set off their conditions whether it be a mental or physical one. So, you eliminate the behavior...in this case avoiding processed food...and you reduce the likelihood that a reoccurance will happen. It will have nothing to do with a change in diet.

Now, I am not saying that having a good diet will do nothing for you, but most medical problems that arise due to a poor diet are the direct consequence of what a person is eating. Thus if you are a big Pop drinker and notice a bone and joint problems you should be well advised to stop drinking Pop due the the Phosphoric acid that can lead to bone deterioration. If you decide to keep drinking Pop, but also decide to take herbal remedies to get rid of your bone condition you probably will not notice much of a difference because you have not eliminated the behavior that directly contributes to bone deterioration. Thus, certain symptoms can be aleviated by simply avoiding the contamination in your body...not by taking herbal supplements.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by Jazzerman]


reply posted on 5-6-2007 @ 09:09 AM by Boondock78
Originally posted by annestacey

The information I have given is free of charge on the NewsTarget website. They do not charge anyone for this information. People are being cured everyday with foods and herbs, you just don't hear about it because the FDA and pharma companies don't want you to know about it. They want you to be taking their medications. Doctors are being paid huge amounts of money to push dangerous drugs all the time.

For me personally, I will always choose natural cures over synthetic ones. All you have to do is read the articles. It's that simple. And if you choose not to believe it, then don't.


well, you gave this info out here free but these people try to hawk this stuff all over the net, in books, and such. money for all thee fantastic cures. it is plain and simply not true..sho me one not biased source of info where hot peppers cured someone with cancer? lets see something besides that website and your opinion..
i mean if just one person was cured of cancer by eating peppers, don't you think it would spread like wildfire across the net? i think it would. i bet each and every one of us nows someone with cancer...the news would spread and nobody would have cancer.
you say people are being cured every day...well, do you have just one piece of proof of this that is perhaps backed up by a medical doctor or someone in the medical community or is it simply that secret?

i agree with you 100% that docs are paid to puch certain kinds of meds. if i gave you my story(i have degenerative disc disease) and all the hoops i have had to jump through and all the meds i have been on, it would blow your mind.

about a year ago i had bloodwork done as a routine and my liver funtion came back abnormal. they start thinking possible liver cancer so i go through all the motions and it turns out, it is/was the high amounts of acetomenophin in the vicodin i was taking....so, i stopped the vikes and on something else...the liver heals itself...soon as i get word, i'm going back on the vikes. simply put, these are the best medicines there are that we know at this time.
they all have side effects and a lot of them suck but that is why they are prescribed as needed by an expert.

nothing against you man but i have been dealing with DDD for 11 years. chronic migraines for more than 20 years. my step father has leukemia. my father in law has limb girdle muscular distrophy. aunt with breast cancer. dad has liver cancer.....i have done my share of looking into 'other treatments'...
fact is, at this time, you will not get better cancer treatment outside of seeing an oncologist. just the way it is.

nothing against you and if any of this works for you, great. i don't see how you can blame people for being skeptical....


edit* i wanted to say that this 'herbal remedy/supliment' stuff is huge business too. someone is making a fortune off that stuff.
you pay attention next time you walk down the pharmacy. they have huge aisles of this stuff and it is just as friggin expensive as prescripton meds.
shark cartlidge, this that...$10 here, $15 there....take 5 of these for this, 3 of those for that...
someone is banking.

[edit on 5-6-2007 by Boondock78]


reply posted on 7-6-2007 @ 09:14 AM by Long Lance
i'm currently trying to locate the videos again, until i found it, all i can offer is a short version:

www.livevideo.com...

thanx for posting that the lonk is broken.


edit: the videos were relocated, apparently, see

www.livevideo.com...

they are now selling it on DVD , d'uh


[edit on 7.6.2007 by Long Lance]

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