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reply posted on 2-5-2007 @ 08:29 PM by Infoholic
Originally posted by xpert11
Powell is no longer in office but I think that he is correct in this case.
Err didn't the dems promise a differnt course of action rather then a withdrawl from Iraq?

Powell wasn't my point. The President of the United States (or whom he directs in his cabinet), currently Bush, is supposed to be representing the American populous. President Bush has not "represented" the people of the United States. He has but only represented the agenda of a few "behind the scenes".

It doesn't matter what they promised or didn't promise. The American populous has spoken, and we want our troops home. Like it or not, that's the way this "democratic republic" works.

Originally posted by xpert11
If the Islamic extremists were defending Iraq there primary target would be the US military and not innocent bystanders. You don't have to agree with my ideas concerning on how to deal with Iraq you just have to know what they are so you can stop jumping to conclusions.

All the better reason to get our troops out of harms way.

As I pointed out, which you obviously can't grasp... 1). I do not agree with your ideas on how to deal with Iraq. 2). I do know/understand your ideas.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Americans do not want defeat in Iraq. If this bill is supported widely by the U.S. people, why did Democrats had to be bribed, to the tune of $21 billion, to support it?

Do you have a source to back up that claim? I'd be interested to see/read it.


Originally posted by xpert11
source

IMO the likes of the Saudi regime would be strong enough to crush or prevent the Iraq civil war from spilling over into other areas. In the process of doing this governments in the region would crack down further on peoples freedoms in the name of security. Of course I could be wrong and if that's the case then the conflict in Iraq will look quiet minor.

I think that would be great for those in the Middle East to be involved. It's their region. It's their people. Bring our troops home so the blood of our families stops running for the ability of a failed Government already established to start gaining some clout. The new Government in Iraq is going to have to grow a backbone and run their own country. I think enough is enough.


reply posted on 2-5-2007 @ 08:50 PM by grover
The truth that no one wants to face up to... not the pundits... not the generals... not the politicians... not the media...certainly not bush minor nor the people is that the bloodshed, the horror and the carnage that is Iraq today is of our own making. We chose to invade, unprovoked and on trumped up (and manufactured) charges. We were lied to, to get into this war and not one of the horrors that have happened over the past 4+ years would have happened if we had not invaded. We made this mess and it is beyond our control to clean it up even though we have a moral obligation to do so. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Yes Saddam Hussein was a bloody bastard but he kept the country together and the extremists out. The country may very well have fallen apart like it has upon his death, but then if that had happened, the blood wouldn't be on our hands.

George W. Bush (minor) Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, George Tenet, Colin Powell, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfiwitz are war criminals and deserve to be tried... convicted and locked away for crimes against humanity.

Don't give me any bull hooey about the terrorists in their defense either. We can only be responsible for our own actions and these people have sullied the good name of the United States by their arrogance and hubris and squandered the good will felt towards us after 9/11. They are as much murderers as Osama Bin Laden and his ilk ever were.

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reply posted on 2-5-2007 @ 09:47 PM by Vitchilo
Democrats Back Down On Iraq Timetable
This show that democrats don't care, don't have the balls, are sold. That democrats won't save the situation. Sorry but you hate Bush, and democrats front-runners are the same as Bush, they just don't have the same name.

- They like borders wide open
- They like war
- They like big government
- They like taking guns
- They like North American Union
- They like police state....

America, YOU NEED A THIRD PARTY.


reply posted on 2-5-2007 @ 11:12 PM by Infoholic
Originally posted by Vitchilo
This show that democrats don't care, don't have the balls, are sold. That democrats won't save the situation.

I'm sorry to say, but this only shows...
...Democrats backed off after the House failed, on a vote of 222 to 203, to override the president's veto...
source

By the numbers provided, that also shows that both Democrats and Republicans voted "yes" to override the veto, just not enough of them. They could only overrule the veto with two thirds vote. That would have required 30 more votes for the overruling to pass.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Sorry but you hate Bush, and democrats front-runners are the same as Bush, they just don't have the same name.

I despise the majority of the current Governmental bodies... both Democrat and Republican. And on the other hand, there's some Democrats and Republicans that I do like.

As for the third party... I'll stick to the next Republican... Senator Ron Paul.
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