ATS Email Special: Capitalism Endgame, page 2

I have a sneaking suspicion that there have been some actions taken to slow the growth of the herd's assets. That would be the manipulation of the stock market. The following is an article that details many examples of market manipulation.

www.afajof.org...

I do believe that since the market has become accessible to the many the the few have taken action to reclaim it. How much money was lost in the 2000 recession? Who benefits when the market goes down like that? I also am not blaming the rich foir anything, however, I do feel there is a 'group' somewhere who call the shots.

Originally posted by polanksi
I have a sneaking suspicion that there have been some actions taken to slow the growth of the herd's assets. That would be the manipulation of the stock market. The following is an article that details many examples of market manipulation.

www.afajof.org...

I do believe that since the market has become accessible to the many the the few have taken action to reclaim it. How much money was lost in the 2000 recession? Who benefits when the market goes down like that? I also am not blaming the rich foir anything, however, I do feel there is a 'group' somewhere who call the shots.

Now as full time options trader, that is something a certainly CAN agree with you on.. at least the part of market manipulation to try make money at the expense of the retail trader and regular investor.

The moment anyone puts money at risk in the stock market, they are entering a den of lions where traders and hedgefunds will do ANYTHING to try and relieve you of your savings, pension etc. This though is motived by simple, personal greed. The hedge fund manager who made 50 million one year wants to make 100 million the next. This money has to come from somewhere, but they don't care where. they'll happliy take it from each other just as the'll take it from the mom and pop mutual fund investor.

The amateur investor is know to them as "paper", and are seen as suckers, ripe for the fleecing.

The little guy can find his or her way, if they educate themselves and learn how it works, but those who follow their broker's, or Jim Cramer's, or CNBC's advice are simply food for the Wall St machine and will be spat out once they've been sucked dry of juice.

I DON'T see this as part of any organised plan by a single, controlling group of people. There are far too many "wanna-be" top dogs people in the financial world who would unseat the top group at the drop of a hat if they could. the rich compete with each other, not the unwashed masses.

The good news is that for those who are prepared to learn, they don't need to be at the mercy of Wall St crooks. I've survived and flourish for three years now in this bear pit... but then again I'm not greedy. I'll happily take the scraps left over by the big boys.

It's still a reasonable living, and I've alway been happy to teach anyone who asks how do to exactly the same. Anyone can do it. Oddly though, in three years of trading.. only 2 people have EVER actually shown an interest in learning. That's why I know the main thing keeping people poor, is themselves.




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Originally posted by polanksi
ATS Special: Capitalism Endgame

Kudos
It's not often enough I get to learn so much in one sitting, and I was schooled on these particulars.

Are the power elite 'conspiring' to promote their good fortune at the expense of the working class?

It's Domestic Imperialism, the science of greed and exploitation. Everyone knows someone who's greedy and likes to control & destabilize people. Now imagine if they were given power. Do you think they'll just stop being greedy? Do most people get into power on accident? Recent college edition Sociology (social science) textbooks say no.

There would be many who would say that it would involve too many people and thus highly unlikely.
But how many people would have to know?

It's called, that's the way our society is programmed. We're conditioned our entire lives to be selfish and self-serving. In a society like this it's virtually impossible to not have this scenario to occur. I call it "pseudo-individualism", because at the end of the day, noone is individual as they think, as everyone is doing the same thing and only worrying about themselves.

But, it turns out that conspiracies involving thousands of people happen successfully more than one would think:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

They would practice to deceive, prevaricate, bully, lie and use the 'system' to protect and preserve their 'rights.'

Welcome to the imperialistic reality. That reality permeates and we're indoctrinated our entire lives to be that way too (selfish and 'overcompetitive').

This edifice that provides and protects the elite certainly did not arise overnight. It has incrementally been built up over the years.

Operant Conditioning:
en.wikipedia.org...

There seems to be mounting evidence that there is some collusion or conspiracy to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the struggling middle, but clearly more evidence would be needed to prove the case.

He work for their "interests", and their interests are furthering themselves over others. It's the same thing we're all taught through operant conditioning our entire lives.

There has been much said about the widening gap between the wealthiest Americans and their poorer counterparts.

Corporate Dogmatism has engineered a system of extreme capitalism with their influence, power and "rights" as entities as you and I have as pseudo-individuals.

The next Australian election at the end of this year will be decided on this issue.

www.news.com.au...

Read the last sentence.Folks are finally realising what's going on,all major cities had student protest marches today.

Some very good points made so far.

Firstly I'd like to bring inflation into the discussion with this:

Inflation is the silent theft of wealth

Since the poor and middle classes are less able to protect themselves against inflation than the rich - it follows that inflation redistributes wealth upwards.

I'd also like to introduce the idea of labour inflation as well. If there is an increase in the supply of labour for a given demand, then labour is worth less and wages go down. Now think of that in terms of immigration and border control.

Others have posted on the self serving traits of individuals and society in general. I'm inclined to agree with them regarding people who do not have the luxury of time to ponder the world around them in more depth.

Contrary to what the unwashed masses believe, the constitution was largely designed to limit the influence of corporate power - and since it's inception has been under steady and successful erosion by corporate interests. There is a revolving door between goverment and corporate lobbyist as an occupation just as there is between regulatory agencies and corporate jobs.

Democracy is a joke without representation and representation is a joke without access to the representatives. How many of the population have access to their representatives beyond sending a letter? Compare that with the access that those in the video clip with G.W.B. above enjoy and then you have an idea of who is really being represented.

A corporate entity nowadays has "rights" far beyond the rights of a "real" or "natural" person. That's right - FAR BEYOND.

Has anyone read Ted Naces book - "Gangs of America: The Rise of Corporate Power and the Disabling of Democracy"?

It can be downloaded for FREE from here:
www.gangsofamerica.com...

I think this book goes a long way towards defining the anecdotal "preponderance of evidence" refered to in the original OP.

Whoever mentioned that thing about the rich preferring a drop in their wealth rather than a narrowing of the gap by the poorer getting wealthier - what a fascinating proposition. One in which the gap is not so much about wealth - but about power. I tkind of goes like this.......

Beyond a certain level of wealth, one does not need to enter into debt.

Beyond a certain level of wealth, one does not need to pay for insurance.

Beyond a certain level of wealth, one does not need to WORK for someone else.

Beyond a certain level of wealth, one's children do not need to WORK for someone else.

Beyond a certain level of wealth, one does not need WORK at all.

Now, this last line above describes the very wealthiest. However for them to survive - someone has to do their share of work in proportion to the lifestyle they choose. If everyone was as wealthy as they were, or even just wealthy enough to not have to work for someone else - they'd say - "Screw you ya lazy fat b***h, do it yourself."

If only half of them were wealthy enough to not have to work for someone else - then they'd probably have to pay the remaining half twice as much to do the work (supply/demand). Savvy?

Now relate this to the idea I proposed at the beginning - Labour inflation/Immigration/Border control.

So that's the game, the poor have to NEED what the wealthy have plenty of - otherwise why would they clean their pools, work in their factories or wipe their asses for them?

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