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reply posted on 27-3-2004 @ 06:51 PM by TgSoe
Originally posted by Tamahu
I don't doubt at all that certain men are working their "secret combinations" through Masonic fraternities. But I also admit, that within FreeMasonry there exists men who wish to help humanity.

So when you read a fanatic Christian website like
www.cuttingedge.org... , just be careful that you are cautious about seperating the truth from the nonsense.



Yes of course Tamahu, I take everything from wherever with a grain of salt. Which I think means If didn't like the original taste I put salt on it. That one site in particular is what fueled my interest in Freemasonary to start with.


reply posted on 4-4-2004 @ 12:16 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by andy1033
you have to remember that there will be people that are part of your groups(masons etc...) where there job is disinformation. there job would be to keep the general public from knowing any truths, so you are probably right there is a lot of rubbish talked about on the internet about the masons that is rubbish, but remember also that in all disinfo there has to be truths otherwise people just will not beliieve.


I'm not quite sure what you mean. Freemasonry is a fraternity; it is not a political party, a religious sect, or an information (or disinformation) campaign.
Masonry has been both applauded and vilified by non-Masons for centuries. Traditionally, Masonry and Masons have not found it necessary to respond to critics, as their own arguments are generally crippled by fallacies which most reasonable persons easily discern.
Nevertheless, some are simply weary of being slandered, and have stepped up to the plate in order to cast light on the subject for those who seek the facts concerning it.

DO YOU FEEL ENLIGHTENED BY YOUR POSITION IN THE MASONS?


By my membership in Masonry, no. Masonry in and of itself cannot enlighten anyone.....enlightenment comes from reason, logic, philosophy, and God. Masonry can, however, point one in the right direction, as can many other things. One need not be a Mason to be spiritually or intellectually enlightened, nor or all members of the fraternity enlightened individuals.
Masonry is often viewed by historians, both within and without the fraternity, as the embodiment of the Age of Enlightenment, providing a common ground wherein men of like temperament and ideals may hold fellowship. But, even though Masonry teaches these enlightened principles, it remains the choice of the individual Mason whether or not to put them into practice, while many non-Masons have lived enlightened lives since birth. This is what Dr. Buck, a Masonic author, meant by saying that many Masons are still intellectually of the profane, while many non-members who have never even set foot in a Lodge are Master Masons.

Fiat Lvx.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Masonic Light]


reply posted on 5-4-2004 @ 03:46 AM by Grey_Pilgrim
Hi all,

This is my first ever post, so be gentle with me

I've been a Freemason here in the UK for around 16 months now and am a lowly Fellowcraft (2nd degree).

What amazes me is that direct involvement with the organisation causes more confusion than before I became a member. Other members are always quick to point out that there is no conspiracy, that there is little more (other than the secrets of recognition) to know. Mmmm, I smell something fishy.

What's interesting is that they (senior members) say they will happily answer any questions we (junior members) have, but whenever something "probing" is asked, they become evasive. It is a standing joke that they tell us nothing substantial. What is plainly obvious is that the juniors are treated like children who are not capable of understanding a concept and are expected to "wait and see". The hint is that all will be revealed, but I somehow doubt it.

I don't find it particularly disturbing to be kept in the dark as this ignorance merely fuels my curiosity. Yes, if there really is a conspiracy and some mind blowing secret(s), and I am a puppet on a string. So be it. Being a member of any western society these days means you are controlled. There is no such thing as freedom, so my philosophy is: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Am I a fool? Maybe. Am I naive? Probably, to some extent. However, I am also very conscious of the fact that there is much more to Freemasonry than meets the eye, no matter how supposedly "open" the organisation is these days. I'm well aware of the conspiracy theories surrounding this organisation and bear these in mind at all times. Maybe they are all bunkum, but maybe they are all true. Time will tell?!

All the best,
Grey Pilgrim


reply posted on 5-4-2004 @ 11:36 AM by Masonic Light

Do you know by chance if Jesus was a Free Mason or Nights Templar? I have read in several places that he was a Essene which later became the Rosicrusians which later became the knights Templars which later became the FreeMasons.


It is believed that Jesus was either a Mason or a Carpenter; the Greek word in the Gospels as Joseph's occupation literally means "builder". During the era of the Roman Empire, most builders were members of the Dionysian Artificers. Jesus may or may not have been a member of that Society.

Perhaps most importantly, at least from a Masonic standpoint, is that Christ was visited by Magi while an infant. The Magi were the priestly caste of the Persian Zoroastrians, and they were Initiates of the Mysteries of Mithras. It has sometimes been suggested that the “missing years” of Christ not recorded in the Bible (from age 12 to around 30) were at least in part spent with the Magi, studying their Mysteries. Whether or not this is true is only speculation, but the actual teachings of Christ show him to be more closely a Magus than a Jew, at least theologically and ethically. His doctrines were much more similar to the Magi than the Pharisees or Saducees.

The Knights Templar were a fraternal order of monastic soldiers, founded by 9 Frenchman in the middle ages, long after the era of Jesus. Their original purpose was to protect Christian pilgrims from Muslim bandits in the Holy Land. Eventually, the Templars came under the influence of Kabbalism and Sufism, and developed mystical characteristics. They also amassed great wealth, and became friendly with many Muslims and Jews. All this together invoked the wrath of the Vatican, and in one of the most treacherous acts in history, surpassed only by Brutus and Judas, the Roman Catholic Church along with Phillip the Fair arrested the leaders of the Order in a banquet they had thrown in the Templars’ honor. The last Grand Master, Jaques de Molay, confessed under torture to heresy, he later recanted his confession and was burned at the stake (De Molay was 76 years old, which helps explain why he confessed under torture; other Templars who were younger chose to die on the torture rack rather than succumb to falsely admitting heresy); the Order was condemned everywhere in Europe except Scotland, where some Templars escape.
There is a legend that a band of fugitive Templars came to the assistance of Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn in Scotland. In token of his appreciation, Robert created the Order of the Thistle of Scottish Knights of St. Andrew, which is now the 29° of Scottish Rite Masonry.

Fiat Lvx.



reply posted on 14-4-2004 @ 12:19 AM by wson
Originally posted by Grey_Pilgrim
Hi all,

This is my first ever post, so be gentle with me

I've been a Freemason here in the UK for around 16 months now and am a lowly Fellowcraft (2nd degree).

What amazes me is that direct involvement with the organisation causes more confusion than before I became a member. Other members are always quick to point out that there is no conspiracy, that there is little more (other than the secrets of recognition) to know. Mmmm, I smell something fishy.

What's interesting is that they (senior members) say they will happily answer any questions we (junior members) have, but whenever something "probing" is asked, they become evasive. It is a standing joke that they tell us nothing substantial. What is plainly obvious is that the juniors are treated like children who are not capable of understanding a concept and are expected to "wait and see". The hint is that all will be revealed, but I somehow doubt it.

I don't find it particularly disturbing to be kept in the dark as this ignorance merely fuels my curiosity. Yes, if there really is a conspiracy and some mind blowing secret(s), and I am a puppet on a string. So be it. Being a member of any western society these days means you are controlled. There is no such thing as freedom, so my philosophy is: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Am I a fool? Maybe. Am I naive? Probably, to some extent. However, I am also very conscious of the fact that there is much more to Freemasonry than meets the eye, no matter how supposedly "open" the organisation is these days. I'm well aware of the conspiracy theories surrounding this organisation and bear these in mind at all times. Maybe they are all bunkum, but maybe they are all true. Time will tell?!

All the best,
Grey Pilgrim
you should have learned in your first degree..... it is hard to answer the questions because it is easy to let too much information out. it really takes away from the beauty of the next degree. be patience and learn your work. ask questions that pertain to your current or preceeding degree. there should not be any problem answering these. when you are a master mason all your questions reagarding any blue lodge degree can be answered. also remember this is speculative masonry, so even some masons have different opinons regarding some questions, and non participationg members may forget. search out well informed masons, and learn from them.
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