Limbaugh plays "Barack The Magic Negro"

Originally posted by grover
Very well said forest lady.

mush loosebowels, bill o'really, sean hannity, ann coulter, micheal savage are all nothing more than hate mongers... they are wildy inaccurate, make up their own facts and pass them off as truth to people who don't do their own thinking. They prefer to smear instead of engaging in an actual debate. They claim to be conservatives but they are more like nilists than anything else.

I have no problem debating conservative vs liberal or republican vs democrat but keep these pests out of it.

Thanks, Grover. Exactly - they make up their own factoids. Worse, people believe them. One might even say that they spread disinformation as well. I don't think of any of these people as journalists, they don't follow the ethics of the profession.

Originally posted by forestlady

Thanks, Grover. Exactly - they make up their own factoids. Worse, people believe them. One might even say that they spread disinformation as well. I don't think of any of these people as journalists, they don't follow the ethics of the profession.

Exactly forestlady, they are entertainers that know exactly who their demographic is. They are playing to an audience. In it's own strange way; it's brilliant merchandising of the theater of hate.

Originally posted by semperfortis
I could almost agree except for the sheer substantiation of the numbers..

22 million people can't all be wrong..

Semper

That’s well with the idiot factor, roughly 20%. Remember 4 out of 5 dentists recommend chewing sugarless gum, which means that 1 out of 5 say go a head and chew gum with a lot of sugar.
22 million is only 75 of the population.

Originally posted by tsloan
1. Imus shouldn't have been fired....

Yes he should have, he went way over the line and the people that he worked for did not want to be associated with what he said nor wanted him to continue live on air reports like he was doing. All well with in their right to dismiss him.

"BUT" should he fired for this...No

That’s for the people he works for to decide.


[edit on 4-5-2007 by Mr Mxyztplk]

Originally posted by forestlady
[With all due respect Centurion, my "beef" is that you're trying to make this a Republican vs. Democrat issue. It isn't, not at least as far as I'm concerned. Good taste is not a political issue.

No, so-called "good taste" is a personal issue. As such, no two people have the same definition of "good taste". So, certainly you have to agree that your definition is not the standard of the country, it is simply your definition. I'm not making this a left or right issue, you brought that up. Since you have, however, I will point out that the mistake in scope that you have just made is more prevalent in people on the left.

Nor is hatemongering, which is what Rush, O'Hannity and Bill O'Reilly do. If you disagree, fine, but at least state why you don't agree.
Too bad you never did listen to Franken who was serving a a spokesman for the left. That one person spewed more vitriolic hate than the three you mentioned combined.

The only reason I pick them is because I'm familiar with them. I don't listen to commentators, be they Rep or Dem, I can form my own opinions, thank you.

Us, too. Thank you.

And what in tarnation does Al Franken have to do with this thread? We're not discussing him, we're discussing Rush Limbaugh.

Franken is simply the counterpoint to basically your whole argument about Limbaugh (who I tired of years ago, BTW). You and others write a very one-sided diatribe as if Limbaugh is the only one out there. He's your tried and true whipping boy for whatever currently bothers you. No doubt out of fear that he will somehow single-handedly undo years of socialist agenda.

I'm just reminding you that there are other opinions out there besides yours. This may come as a to you, but just because you wrote it, doesn't mean we all have to agree and swallow it whole. Just as no one is forcing people to listen to Limbaugh. They're doing it out of choice because they agree with the message and it serves as a counter to what they are constantly bombarded with from TV media, print media and hollywood political "experts" like alec baldwin.

Get it? They keep seeing and hearing that crap and they aren't buying it.

My other "beef" is that you entirely and utterly missed my point and are trying to spin my words into something different.

IF I am doing any spinning, it is simply a counter-spin to you - which should straighten things out just fine.

[edit on 5/4/2007 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by centurion1211

No, so-called "good taste" is a personal issue. As such, no two people have the same definition of "good taste". So, certainly you have to agree that your definition is not the standard of the country, it is simply your definition. I'm not making this a left or right issue, you brought that up. Since you have, however, I will point out that the mistake in scope that you have just made is more prevalent in people on the left.

Nor is hatemongering, which is what Rush, O'Hannity and Bill O'Reilly do. If you disagree, fine, but at least state why you don't agree.
Too bad you never did listen to Franken who was serving a a spokesman for the left. That one person spewed more vitriolic hate than the three you mentioned combined.

The only reason I pick them is because I'm familiar with them. I don't listen to commentators, be they Rep or Dem, I can form my own opinions, thank you.

Us, too. Thank you.

And what in tarnation does Al Franken have to do with this thread? We're not discussing him, we're discussing Rush Limbaugh.

Franken is simply the counterpoint to basically your whole argument about Limbaugh (who I tired of years ago, BTW). You and others write a very one-sided diatribe as if Limbaugh is the only one out there. He's your tried and true whipping boy for whatever currently bothers you. No doubt out of fear that he will somehow single-handedly undo years of socialist agenda.

I'm just reminding you that there are other opinions out there besides yours. This may come as a

to you, but just because you wrote it, doesn't mean we all have to agree and swallow it whole. Just as no one is forcing people to listen to Limbaugh. They're doing it out of choice because they agree with the message and it serves as a counter to what they are constantly bombarded with from TV media, print media and hollywood political "experts" like alec baldwin.

Get it? They keep seeing and hearing that crap and they aren't buying it.

My other "beef" is that you entirely and utterly missed my point and are trying to spin my words into something different.

IF I am doing any spinning, it is simply a counter-spin to you - which should straighten things out just fine.

[edit on 5/4/2007 by centurion1211]

Centurion, I'm trying to be respectful here. I would appreciate respect from you as well, not a patronizing attitude. Yes, I "get it", but I just don't agree with you. And yes, I'm well aware that other's opinions are just as valid. I don't know where you get the idea that I don't, but I am smart enough to know an insulting tone when I hear one.

Ya know, all I did was express an opinion. You jumped on it right away and have made quite a few erroneous assumptions about me. Now, at the risk of sidetracking the thread, I will not respond to your baiting any more.

BTW, racism is NEVER in good taste.

Originally posted by Mr Mxyztplk

Originally posted by semperfortis
I could almost agree except for the sheer substantiation of the numbers..

22 million people can't all be wrong..

Semper

That’s well with the idiot factor, roughly 20%. Remember 4 out of 5 dentists recommend chewing sugarless gum, which means that 1 out of 5 say go a head and chew gum with a lot of sugar.
22 million is only 75 of the population.

Originally posted by tsloan
1. Imus shouldn't have been fired....

Yes he should have, he went way over the line and the people that he worked for did not want to be associated with what he said nor wanted him to continue live on air reports like he was doing. All well with in their right to dismiss him.

"BUT" should he fired for this...No

That’s for the people he works for to decide.


[edit on 4-5-2007 by Mr Mxyztplk]

I hate to say it but no he shouldn't have. His contract states that he can be just what he is..An idiot, Look it up for yourself. He was fired because his advertisers refused to purchase any more spots on his show. Did they have every right to refuse further connections with Imus? Damn right they did. But did MSNBC have the right to fire Imus on what he said..NO. Not according to the contract. Now if you want to get into the bones of who really should have been fired then I would say that the stiffs who prepared Imus's contract should have been the ones who got canned. I support free radio without FCC or any other over site. The knobs/buttons are on a T.V./Radio for a reason.If you don't like it turn it everyone has all the power of censorship they need in the knobs and buttons.

And yes Rush has every right to play all the stupid crap he plays on his show. And everyone here has every right not to listen. You want Rush off the air the don't listen and don't purchase any of his advertisers goods cause if they don't have the cheese to pay for his slot then the station broadcasting his political hack attacks can't sysndicate. Thats the power of free radio.

Geez Centurion, there must be something magical in your "spin".

I'm getting dizzy just listening to your wamie-pamie, far right worries.

Let's be real here, can we? You know, and so do most of the rest of us,
that the right has invested lots of money in their talking heads. The right
has stuffed war and immigration and family values and lifestyes down
our throats for too long, crazed by fears of diversity. The right consists of
more "users" than givers or sharers. They take and take again. With your
Limbaughs and your O'Hannitys and your O'Reillys, you flood the airwaves
with hysteria, bad taste, rudeness, and arrogance. You buy prime time
because you can, and because you know you need to.
Those three named windbags above have insulted many of us with their
lack of class. ( Maybe they're your "Shock Jocks", but they're not ours ).
Some of us can see through hot air.

Originally posted by tsloan
I hate to say it but no he shouldn't have. His contract states that he can be just what he is..An idiot,

An idiot yes, but the kind of idiot that knows where the line is. Imus crossed that line to the point that advertisers no longer wanted to be associated with him, so he got fired, and rightfully so. No one could be so stupid to think that he didn’t cross the invisible line, coming out with a racial insult on air Is just a out and out dumb thing to do.

He was fired because his advertisers refused to purchase any more spots on his show.

MSNBC is only there to make money, Imus went from making money to being a social pariah because of what he said and no one wants to be around him.

…MSNBC have the right to fire Imus on what he said..NO. Not according to the contract.

I haven’t read Imus’s contract but I find it hard to believe that any company would be dumb enough to sign a contract with out an out clause for the company to cover something like this.

I support free radio without FCC or any other over site…/buttons are on a T.V./Radio for a reason.If you don't like it turn

First I don’t think that you quit understand what the FCC does, not only do they censor what is allowed on TV or radio but the also assign the channels to companies on the radio TV and cell phones with out that control there would be chaos on the airwaves.
As for censorship of content, consider this, The Simpsons has a viewing rang from age 8 to people in their mid 30’s, do you think that stations should advertise product with adult content like “Girls gone wild”? would you want your kid to see that? I do think that the rules need to be loosened but they do need to be in place. After 11pm anything should go but before that rules should apply.

edit to fix quotes.

[edit on 6-5-2007 by Mr Mxyztplk]

Does anyone realize where the phrase "Magic Negro" came from?

It came from the liberal LA Times. Rush Limbaugh did not come up with it.

I'm surprised Saturday Night Live, or The Late Show with Jon Stewart didn't beat Rush to the punch. I guess they are slipping because "Barack the Magic Negro" is the funniest parody I've heard in a while. BTW, remember when Jon Stewart used to be funny? Me niether!

You got to ask yourself, are you angry at the phrase "Magic Negro", or are you angry that Rush Limbaugh is rubbing it in the liberals faces?

Only in your dreams is mush loosebowels rubbing this in liberal faces... it hasn't even been mentioned on any of the liberal websites I go to... in fact the only place it has been mentioned in the media at all that I can find is on right wing websites and by mush loosebowel groupies like you.

It speaks volumes about your character rr that you should find a racist parody funny... and it doesn't speak well fo your character at all.

Originally posted by grover
Only in your dreams is mush loosebowels rubbing this in liberal faces... it hasn't even been mentioned on any of the liberal websites I go to... in fact the only place it has been mentioned in the media at all that I can find is on right wing websites and by mush loosebowel groupies like you.

It speaks volumes about your character rr that you should find a racist parody funny... and it doesn't speak well fo your character at all.

OK I get it...the parody is racist, but the liberal originator of it is not???

I look at as many left wing sites as I do right wing. The left wing groups are doing just as Rush said they would. They are pinning "The Magic Negro" on him instead of the LA Times. The left likes to call themselves open minded, I can see why with all the holes in their heads.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Does anyone realize where the phrase "Magic Negro" came from?

It came from the liberal LA Times.

Can you verify (source) that this phrase was originated by the LA Times?

Thank you.

Edit: Never mind. Read and Learn
NOT the LA Times

ATS Politics Thread on the Origin

[edit on 6-5-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by RRconservative
Does anyone realize where the phrase "Magic Negro" came from?

It came from the liberal LA Times.

Can you verify (source) that this phrase was originated by the LA Times?

Thank you.

Edit: Never mind. Read and Learn
NOT the LA Times



ATS Politics Thread on the Origin

[edit on 6-5-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Sure looks like the LA Times to me....

www.latimes.com...


Sorry I posted before I looked at your link...

So it was another liberal that started the phrase...and your point is what exactly?

You just proved again that it was not Rush Limbaugh that started this.




[edit on 6-5-2007 by RRconservative]

[edit on 6-5-2007 by RRconservative]

Originally posted by RRconservative
and your point is what exactly?

My point is that you were incorrect in stating the origin of this phrase as the LA Times. That's all.

You just proved again that it was not Rush Limbaugh that started this.

I never claimed it was. I was just trying to get the origin cleared up. I couldn't care less the political leanings of the people who started it. I don't know how you know it was a liberal. I'm not sure why that's an issue... But I see it's important to you, so claim whatever you like. Because I don't know the exact origin of the phrase. If you do, I'm all ears. I know Spike Lee used it, but I don't know who started the phrase. I believe it's been around a lot longer than Spike Lee.

Do you actually know anything about it? Or is it just all-important that it's all the liberals' fault?

The magical negro (sometimes called the mystical negro, magic negro, or our Magical African-American Friend) is a stock character who appears in fiction of a variety of media. The word "negro", now considered archaic and offensive, is used intentionally to emphasize the belief that the archetype is a racist throwback, an update of the "Sambo" stereotype. The term was popularized by Spike Lee, who dismissed the archetype of the "super-duper magical negro" in 2001 while discussing films with students at Washington State University and at Yale University.

The magical negro is typically "in some way outwardly or inwardly disabled, either by discrimination, disability or social constraint," often a janitor or prisoner. He has no past; he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist. He is the black stereotype, "prone to criminality and laziness." To counterbalance this, he has some sort of magical power, "rather vaguely defined but not the sort of thing one typically encounters." They are patient and wise, often dispensing various words of wisdom, and are "closer to the earth."

The magical negro serves as a plot device to help the protagonist get out of trouble, typically through helping the white character recognize his own faults and overcome them. In this way, the magical negro is similar to the Deus ex machina; a simple way for the protagonist to overcome an obstacle almost entirely through outside help. Although he has magical powers, his "magic is ostensibly directed toward helping and enlightening a white male character. It is this feature of the magical negro that some people find most troubling. Although the character seems to be showing African-Americans in a positive light, he is still ultimately subordinate to whites. He is also regarded as an exception, allowing white America to "like individual black people but not black culture.

To save the white protagonist, however, he would do anything, including sacrificing himself, as Sidney Poitier did in The Defiant Ones, the prototypical magical negro movie.

Examples of magical negroes as published by social commentators include:

* Noah Cullen (Sidney Poitier) in the film The Defiant Ones (1958)
* The magical negro is a recurring archetype in novels by author Stephen King:

* Dick Hallorann in The Shining (1977), and in both the 1980 film adaptation (Scatman Crothers) and the 1997 TV miniseries (Melvin Van Peebles)
* Mother Abigail in The Stand (1978), and the 1994 TV adaptation (Ruby Dee)
* John Coffey in The Green Mile (1996), and the 1999 film adaptation (Michael Clarke Duncan)

* Oda Mae Brown (Whoopi Goldberg) in the film Ghost (1990)
* Cash (Don Cheadle) in the film The Family Man (2000)
* Bagger Vance (Will Smith) in the film The Legend of Bagger Vance (2000)

Note that black characters with apparent supernatural powers who are portrayed as independent, have a level of power roughly equivalent to that of other characters and who are not subservient to whites—such as Mace Windu (Samuel L. Jackson) in Star Wars, Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) in the Matrix series, and Storm (Halle Berry) in the X-Men—are not usually considered weakened magical negroes, nor are helpful non-white characters without some magical or fantastical element.

However, the common repetitive trend remains — that all these non-white characters are still not the main protagonists (heroes) in their storylines. Hence, the definition of the magic negro may also include non-white protagonists who continue to be teamed up with a white hero as well. The concern is that the magic negro may still be covertly used as a subordinate character to white protagonists. Even though they may play a central figure in a storyline, they are portrayed as being unable to solve challenges without the involvement of a white associate.

For these reasons, a black actor performing as God in a film (like Morgan Freeman in Bruce Almighty) is not generally considered an example of the magical negro archetype, although one commentator does. Since God is not a character created by the author, and has neither race nor gender, a person of any race or gender could also be selected to perform the role, like Alanis Morissette in Dogma (although another commentator asserts that, "Chris Rock’s Thirteenth Apostle in Dogma is one example.

Barack Obama

On March 19, 2007, Los Angeles Times columnist David Ehrenstein wrote: "But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the 'Magic Negro.'" Ehrenstien, himself an African-American detailed the reasons he believes Senator Obama fits the template in his opinion column. The column received world-wide attention and discussion, especially in the news media and in talk radio. Rush Limbaugh aired a song parody called "Barack, the Magic Negro", sung by Paul Shanklin impersonating Al Sharpton and based on the Peter, Paul, and Mary song "Puff, the Magic Dragon". Limbaugh also referred to the 2008 presidential candidate as the "magic negro" several times during his radio broadcast, each time prefacing the reference by explaining that the title came from Ehrenstein and/or the LA Times.
From Wikipedia

As you should be able to see the term IS NOT a liberal construct as has been claimed but is a racially stereotypical stock literary character of some history.

Once again you are wrong rr.

[edit on 6-5-2007 by grover]

Good job Grover!

Now is "Magic Negro" a racist term or not?

Is it racist when Spike Lee uses it, or the LA Times,or Hollywood? Or is it just racist if Rush Limbaugh plays a parody of it?

BTW whether the term came from Hollywood, Spike Lee, or the LA Times, anyone of the following has to be considered liberal. OUCH!

that is the one thing I like about you rr... you are consistently clueless.

It is a racial stereotype and as such racist as all stereotypes are no matter who they are directed towards and no matter who uses them. Many victims of stereotyping use the most hurtful phrases in reference to themselves as a way to defang or take the sting, the hate out of them, black people calling each other N– for example or gays calling each other queer or faggot... but just because they do doesn't mean that you or mush loosebowels is free to do so. But I expect that is over your head.

As for whether Spike Lee or Hollywood or the Los Angeles Times is or is not liberal is irrelevant to the issue expect it seems to you.

[edit on 6-5-2007 by grover]

Originally posted by semperfortis
DJ EXACTLY!!!

So typical that there is a problem with this and no one has any problem with the President being called a War Criminal, Traitor, Monkey, ETC

The hypocrisy is going to be extensive this election I can already see..

Semper

I say lets have fun. Lets call a spade a spade. Bush looks like a monkey, Obama is the new Afro-Am Antichrist, Hillary has huge ankles, Fat Limbaugh is a comedian now as a result of the pill popping, and folks, please!!! Take a look at McCain!!! What the hell happened to him??? He's a bumbling idiot, far from that man who was so prim and proper...he is now a singing fool.

What hope is there? And as long as we're at it...Anne Coulter had a boob job and appears on Geraldo now with half shirts????

We havent had this much entertainment since i can remember. And Nancy Pelosi, with her Red Dracula cape???

Its all a comedy, i tell ya. The Antichrist will be soooooo welcome it isnt even funny.

Originally posted by forestlady

Centurion, I'm trying to be respectful here. I would appreciate respect from you as well, not a patronizing attitude. Yes, I "get it", but I just don't agree with you. And yes, I'm well aware that other's opinions are just as valid. I don't know where you get the idea that I don't, but I am smart enough to know an insulting tone when I hear one.

Ya know, all I did was express an opinion. You jumped on it right away and have made quite a few erroneous assumptions about me. Now, at the risk of sidetracking the thread, I will not respond to your baiting any more.

BTW, racism is NEVER in good taste.

Respect? I just classified you as one of my respected foes. Hope that makes you feel better.

Can we all agree that racism is not in good taste?

However, I don't think we were just talking about racism vis-a-vis the people you mentioned. I think you were trying to say that their entire shows were in poor taste - which I correctly pointed out is solely your opinion and not based on any "national standard". Nice bit of "bobbing and weaving" there when your comments get pinned down.

I think I agree with dgtempe on this: Bottom line on all these people - left or right - elected officials, media pundits, politicians, hollywood policy experts, etc. - they are all just clowns. And they are all dragging this country down and us with it.

[edit on 5/7/2007 by centurion1211]