UFO Investigations Never Deliver UFO's or ET's. :-(

Dear ATS Family,

Over the past 3 months I've read several threads where members
have said that specific UFO sightings need to be investigated. The
latest one is the Channel Islands incident involving 2 passenger
planes.

What is the expected end result(s) of investigating UFO sightings?
If you investigate a crime, you expect to find the crook. But what
do we expect to find by investigating a sighting report? If digging
into a sighting delivers hundreds of witnesses along with some
photos and videos, what has been proven beyond the fact that
there was something unidentified flying in the sky? All this
"evidence" does is take us back to square one again. I guess
what I'm asking is this. In the absence of physical evidence in
the form of an unknown technological device, or material, craft,
or an Alien being (dead or alive), can Alien existence/visitation
be proved? It seems like we're just chasing our tails by examining
photos, videos and searching for witnesses to interrogate.

Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I just suffering from
early stages of UFO discussion burnout? Maybe that UFO-Vatican
thread got my hopes up too high that top level disclosure was
imminent and now we're back to plain old sightings again.
-CWM in Chicago

So how do you think cattle mutilations happened?

I think they happen because of something we don't understand
yet..like human combustion. People catch on fire and burn up
while watching television, but noone knows why.

You'd think that in today's world of survellience cameras all over
the place, farmers would certainly have them to keep an eye on
the herds from the comfort of their home office. We should see
the recording of an animal mutilation in action soon. I saw a vid
here on ATS of a cow being gravitated into a UFO, but it was proven
to be fake by our ATS video specialists.

[edit on 26-4-2007 by carewemust]

I've seen a craft (at dusk so I saw the actual craft, not just lights in the dark) that proved to me that gravity manipulation and traveling faster than the speed of light is very real. Whether it came from a military base or ETs were flying it I'll never know.

have seen ufos, too.
i know they are REAL.

of all the videos and pictures, has one of them ever considered - before i say real - to be "not fake"? all the material we got is useless by all means.

we´re stuck, we´re stuck since 60 years.

BUT, remember, they are REAL.
i have seen them with them my own eyes, 3 times.
i have seen cryptic symbols shimmering on my bedroom wall.
i have seen balls of lights, still see them.
i have heard "voices inside my head", that i could communicate with.
etc., etc. ...
i tell the truth.
but people wont believe.
i kind of gave it up to convice someone.
i assume we just have to sit and wait.

best regards.

I have seen 'balls of light' on several occasions but only one true craft sighting.

The light I saw was the whitest light I've ever seen. It lit up from and disappeared to nothing concentrically like the pupil of your eye. I have heard of these being called 'iris ufos' because of the description. I will say that I saw the 'balls of light' at night so I'm not opposed to saying they were helicopter spotlights, but they all acted in the same fashion and no other lights were present when they 'closed' to black.

carewemust - You read like a person with genuine interest that maintains an objective view toward the many purported cases posted. That's an admirable view on a forum like this.

I've been a member here for some time now and you may find that after 2,5, 10, 30, or 50 years, there will be no physical evidence beyond images and/or testimony. For a vast majority of people, that is proof enough. If there should be physical evidence presented, it is highly unlikely to ever be put to legitimate scientific scrutiny. Unfortunately there are various self protective functions built into UFO research.

Fortunately in this age of internet we can review cases before they become legend. We have hundreds maybe thousands of people with varying backgrounds and credible experience review pictures, video and associated testimonials. In this day and age, inconclusive, and unknown are the best you can hope for.

I've never seen anything interesting (that I recognized as such.) But I have had family members who have.

There isn't a whole lot that we can do without getting more aggressive about evidence collection. The most qualified witnesses are the pilots who see things flying around.

In times past, governments pursued these bogies, whether they were real or not. I believe this lead to additional information that civilians do not have.

Therefore, we could arm all lear jets with machine guns and lidars in order to gain information about these things, allowing all such pilots to aggressively pursue these phenomena. These 'sky martial pilots' could then chase them, and if they are lenticular clouds, fly right through them (with some interesting updrafts!) Or, they might be corporeal and then the real fun would start. If we started increasing the material aspect of these phenomena, within a civilian context, THEN we would be getting somewhere. I'd love to see the Republican response (in the US) to arming all civilian aircraft with strafing guns, telling them we are going to pursue and shoot down any unidentified flying phenomena! I don't care how the Dems would react to armed aircraft. We have the right to wield arms on our aircraft! hehehe. The most fun would come from the Pentagon's response. Hehe.

The above suggestion is purely rhetorical, of course. The point is that post-event investigation is insufficient. Whole-populous aggressive investigation would be required to either dismiss (as skeptics hope) or confirm (as believers hope) the nature of these phenomena.

As for "Disclosure". In my opinion, "Disclosure" is a religious concept, similar to the "Second Coming of Jesus Christ". It is an ever-future oriented non-event, designed to keep the faith of its respective participants. It will never happen as it is an ideal, but so long as people believe it will, they will 'stick around' in their respective faith to find out. And quite frankly, many UFO people are religious nuts. UFOlogy has as many imminent disclosures as medieval Russia had imminent second comings.

60 years of passive investigation has proven its insufficiency. Continuously lying governments have proven their insufficiency. The only hope for obtaining real civilian-level information is to perform the same bogie chasing experiments that the military did, but in a civilian context. So, who here has the money to fund such an organization? Perhaps someone can contact Bill Gates? A MUFON with machine gunned armed f16s and satellite video uploading capability? Sir Richard Branson arming all Virgin Airliners with remote control probe missiles? That might also work.

Remember, this is not Ghost hunting. People see these things and take pictures. We just need to chase them in clear daylight with sufficiently equipped aircraft. Have fun!

[edit on 27-4-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

Originally posted by nullster
carewemust - You read like a person with genuine interest that maintains an objective view toward the many purported cases posted. That's an admirable view on a forum like this.

I've been a member here for some time now and you may find that after 2,5, 10, 30, or 50 years, there will be no physical evidence beyond images and/or testimony. For a vast majority of people, that is proof enough. If there should be physical evidence presented, it is highly unlikely to ever be put to legitimate scientific scrutiny. Unfortunately there are various self protective functions built into UFO research.

Fortunately in this age of internet we can review cases before they become legend. We have hundreds maybe thousands of people with varying backgrounds and credible experience review pictures, video and associated testimonials. In this day and age, inconclusive, and unknown are the best you can hope for.

Greetings Nullster,
Thanks for the kind words. I have witnessed UFO's that were approached by military jets over Michigan and I'm a believer in Alien visitations to Earth. That being said, it frustrates me that there is so much anecdotal evidence for Alien Visitation, but nothing material that can be analysed and announced/displayed to the world. Most people I talk to in the streets have seen unidentified flying objects, apparitions, etc. at some point in their life, but simply dismiss them as man-made, or a figment of their own imagination.

The ATS forum has a HUGE membership, but if it were not for the Ohare UFO media coverage here in Chicago, I would have never done a Google search on the incident and found AboveTopSecret.com. I wish there was some way that we could "disclose" this UFO-Alien section of ATS to the mass public. There are some extremely talented members here who have done a world class job of analyzing individual cases. If we could get millions of people coming here, the belief in ET visitation would skyrocket and make government disclosure un-necessary. ATS would do the job and perhaps even force the secret organizations to speed up their disclosure timetable to the public. Maybe Springer's appearance on the Discovery Channel on June 29th will be the catalyst to explode ATS membership into the millions. I know that almost everyone with cable here in Chicago will be tuned in if the Ohare UFO is the top of the show.
-cwm