Force of Will....pretty good arguments given they have been hashed and re-hashed and are basically the same arguments that have been given over and
Let's start here:
"You should all watch the new video that was made by moveon.org in collaboration with the center for American progress.Its called :
UNCOVERED : WHY BUSH REALLY ATTACKED IRAQ"
My....isn't funny that you mention MoveOn.org
MoveOn.org is a organization bent on removing Bush and is currently being investigated for its "mysterious" methods of funneling domestic and
foreign monies to the Democrats...namely the Democratic presidential hopefuls. As per this post by me:
"posted on 18-12-2003 at 07:09 PM Post Number: 296133"
"Brewing MoveOn Scandal Over Foreign Contributions Involves Dean, Clark Campaigns"
"Drudge cites two Democrat presidential frontrunners who are listed by name on several international fundraising websites asking for donations to
be made directly to MoveOn.org. Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean were the two candidates listed on the websites
requesting funds from foreign citizens."
"In other words, Moveon.org is funneling foreign investments to the DNC. Another question that comes to mind, is how can Moveon.org consider
itself "politically independent" (from the site) and yet, knowing support the removal of Bush, a Republican, and press to elect a Democrat??
You don't think someone needs to notify the FEC: firstname.lastname@example.org concerning this? Perhaps this from the FEC pages:
"Campaign finance analysts assist committee officials in complying with reporting requirements and conduct detailed examinations of the campaign
finance reports filed by political committees. If an error, omission or prohibited activity (e.g., an excessive contribution) is discovered in the
course of reviewing a report, the analyst sends the committee a letter which requests that the committee either amend its reports or provide further
information concerning a particular problem. By sending these letters (RFAIs), the Commission seeks to ensure full disclosure and to encourage the
committee’s voluntary compliance with the law. Analysts also provide frequent telephone assistance to committee officials and encourage them to call
the division with reporting questions or compliance problems. Local phone: 202-694-1130; toll-free phone 800-424-9530 (press 2 on a touch-tone
As noted also by this:
"11 CFR 100.4(a). Foreign Nationals"
"Contributions from foreign nationals who do not have permanent residence in the United States (i.e., those without green cards) are prohibited.
Additionally, foreign nationals may not make contributions in connection with any election, including state and local elections."
You then go on to mention:
"They went NOWHERE because there was no WMD in Iraq.They were destroyed by the U.N inspectors years ago."
Really? Can you provide the link or links to said UN or UNSCOM records verifying
exactly what you are saying or implying? Personally and IMHO,
you are mistaken to think and claim that "NOWHERE"
and that they were "destryoed"
.....very mistaken.....provide the
links to said information please.
In the meantime, lets look at this:
Here's the full transcript from Mr. Blix's report to the UN Security Council earlier this year:
"AS DELIVERED BRIEFING OF THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 14 FEBRUARY 2003
Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix"
No where in this does he say, "No Weapons."
"Blix statement: Key excerpts"
Again, no where does Mr. Blix male such an assertion or claim of "No Weapons".
Here is the full report of UNSCOM
"IRAQ: THE UNSCOM EXPERIENCE"
And here is UNSCOM's Final Report:
"UNSCOM Final Disarmament Report"
This is what the reports from UNSCOM and the UN say and have documented as unaccounted for and still not reported by Saddam or Iraq, as per UN
The inspectors never could figure out what happened to 3.9 tonnes of VX, the deadliest kind of nerve gas. Iraq admitted producing VX in 1988 and 1990,
but furnished no convincing evidence that it was destroyed in 1991, as Iraq claimed. This failure was not cured by an Iraqi report handed to
inspectors in March 2003, which attempted to account for up to 63 percent of the missing VX.
The inspectors concluded that Iraq may not have destroyed about 10,000 liters of the biological agent anthrax, which if properly stored, could still
be viable. Iraq admitted producing 8,425 liters of anthrax, but claimed it had disposed of all the agent in 1991, and provided inspectors with a
series of technical reports aimed at substantiating the claim. However, the reports failed to prove exactly how much anthrax was disposed of.
3. Other Germ Warfare Agents
Iraq did not explain what happened to thousands of liters of other biological agent that it admitted producing, including more than 340 liters of
clostridium perfringens - though inspectors concluded that Iraq had enough growth medium to have made "much larger quantities." This agent would
still be viable today if properly stored. The inspectors were also unable to account for some 19,000 liters of botulinum toxin and at least 2,200
liters of aflatoxin. Neither of these agents would be viable today, but accounting for them is necessary to determine the total amount of germ agent
and the individual amounts of each agent that Iraq produced.
4. Chemical and Biological Munitions
Iraq consumed 6,526 fewer chemical-filled aerial bombs - containing some 1,000 tons of agent (mostly mustard gas, but also sarin and tabun) - during
the Iran-Iraq war than it claimed, according to the "Air Force document" handed over by Iraq in December 2002. Moreover, inspectors could not
account for 550 mustard-filled artillery shells that Iraq claimed to have lost. The inspectors determined that Iraqi mustard gas was still of a very
high quality. Also unaccounted for are 29 germ-filled bombs, some possibly containing anthrax.
The inspectors were in the process of destroying illicit Al Samoud 2 missiles and related equipment but were unable to complete the task before the
start of the U.S.-led war in Iraq. Twenty-five missiles are still in the country, along with 38 warheads, 6 launchers, 6 command and control vehicles
and 326 engines."
"Vials: A total of 97 vials-including those with labels consistent with the al Hakam cover stories of single-cell protein and biopesticides, as
well as strains that could be used to produce BW agents-were recovered from a scientist's residence."
"Chemical Warhead found in Kirkuk, Iraq Ignored by the American Media----------:
Chemical warhead found at an Iraqi air base, marked with a green band, the symbol for chemical weaponry. Trace amounts of a nerve agent were found at
two spots along the ~meter-long warhead. These amounts are consistent with leakage from the chemically armed weapon. A 13-foot missile was found next
Courtesy of CNN
"What Weapons of Mass Destruction Evidence Have We Found In Iraq? Excerpts from David Kay's Report"
This is not counting the chemical suits and mask and antidite injection kits that were left behind by retreating Iraqi troops...
Not including reports of bio and chemicals that were dumped into the river Euphrates, reported and tested by US Marines.....
Want a bit more?
How about explain this:
"Iraqi bio-scientist breaks silence" --- the woman dubbed "Dr Germ" and even "toxic Taha".
"UN weapons inspectors discovered munitions filled with these agents dumped in a river, proving they had indeed been weaponised.........
When a son-in-law of Saddam Hussein defected in 1995, the UN learned the truth about what was going on at al-Hakem.
But they have been unable to account for 8,500 litres of anthrax and large quantities of growth medium to culture germs............."
There have been multiples of threads debating this with much information to be gleaned and learned from them...Example:
"The WMD Cult"
Might want to read through them long exhaustive pages and glean what you can because to literally and figuratively say that Saddam or Iraq did
have WMD or programs or was destroyed
or they went NOWHERE
because they were destroyed is, quite frankly, unfactual and
contrary to what is currently documented by the UN, UNSCOM, and many nations........
[Edited on 4-1-2004 by Seekerof]