aerosol attack chemtrail evidence, page 7

i cant believe this entire thread is the same old stuff brought up yet again !!!!!!.

*********please read the following***********

for those people who dont understand the physics involved in formation of contrails including persistant ones here is a study undertaken by DERA (defence evaluation and research agency) for the Dept of Enviroment Transport and the Regions here in the UK, it was completed in Sept 2000.

www.ozone-sec.ch.cam.ac.uk...

PLEASE take the time to read this as it explains how and why contrails sometimes spread out and sometimes dont.

here is a snippet:

Contrail persistance is primarily linked to synoptic conditions that support vertical motions of air,such as frontal zones connected with the warm sectoer of lows,jet streams that carry moist air across stable highs , and flows induced by mountain waves.Under these conditions the relative humidity may exceed ice saturation,promoting growth of the contrail crystals. Contrail ice crystal spreading may be induced by vertical wind shear,especially in contrails with a large vertical extent caused by updrafts driven by radiative heating.

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ok and for those people who dont realise there are roads in the sky that jets stick to ,here are some maps of jetways over the UK.

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hope this helps , if anyone wants more info let me know as we are currently conducting new research based on the 2000 study but more in depth analysis of the effects on regional and global climate.

snoopyuk

I think those photos of WWII planes in the sky with all the "trails" is fake.
Why do we not see them forming from those planes in the phots?
I read that "con trails" are the result of the higher heat from jet engines, and that they are a new phenomena since the jet age began.

I have lived in Florida for 54 years. I lived in and near Tampa. MacDill AFB is next to Tampa, you might even say in Tampa. I did not see any of these persisten trails until recent years.

Also as to Florida. We do not have much E/W air traffic. Yet there are days when there are many E/W trails. And who is it that takes the time and trouble to make those daisy formations>

This site has some very awsome photos of clouds. Regardless of what you think about con trails or chem trails, you will find it entertaining.

www.weatherwars.info...

Ignorance is bliss; knowledge is agony.


[edit on 29-4-2007 by OhZone]

Originally posted by OhZone
I think those photos of WWII planes in the sky with all the "trails" is fake.

According to the WWII bomber group Vets who flew those missions, and took these photos, they are absolutely authentic.

Contrail Testimony by WWII Veterans Smashes 'Chemtrail' Hypothesis
Jay,
Yes, we certainly did. Contrails were so thick that they became clouds. We often said that we created weather over Europe. They would persist for many hours, maybe days. We flew a different route coming back than going in partly to avoid the contrail clouds that we created. There are some pictures of contrails on my web site - none of these are shown to be very heavy but there were time when we were near the end of the bomber stream and the contrails were so dense that it was no dfferent than flying in clouds. A thousand or more
planes (4000 internal combustion engines) can make a lot of contrail at 25000 feet or more.
Hope this helps.
Willard Reese- 457th Bomb Group

There are plenty of other, similar, testimonials on that site, check it for yourself, better yet write the vets organizations and ask the pilots personally.

Originally posted by OhZone
Why do we not see them forming from those planes in the phots?

I don’t understand this question. I quite clearly DO see them forming from the planes in the photos.

Originally posted by OhZone
I read that "con trails" are the result of the higher heat from jet engines, and that they are a new phenomena since the jet age began.

You think that piston driven engines do not get hotter then the surrounding atmosphere as well?
How do you explain the white vapor that comes out of a car when it’s cold outside?
Evil car spirits?

Originally posted by OhZone
I have lived in Florida for 54 years. I lived in and near Tampa. MacDill AFB is next to Tampa, you might even say in Tampa. I did not see any of these persisten trails until recent years.

And the reason for this is that most of them have been north of Tampa in Lutz and Pasco County. Why the sudden shift? Well its because they did construction on the runways and had to route the traffic into the airport from a different direction then normal, thus causing folks who were not used to living under the flight path to have to for the first time. There was much griping, crying, and lamentation about this, as the folks south of TIA were complaining it was making their property values drop.

When the news picked up on the story I think the folks to the North did not realize that the folks to the south had been lobbying the airport to keep the flights to the north, and started to fight back. The folks to the south would have been better off to stoically handle the traffic increase for awhile, and have kept their mouths shut, cause now the folks to the north realize they have a say in the situation as well. I am guessing that is why I still hear about traffic increases to the south, now after the construction is completed.
Kind of reads like “the blue and the gray”….

I don’t live to the north or south of it anymore so it really doesn’t effect me, other then the amusement factor of it all.

Originally posted by OhZone
Also as to Florida. We do not have much E/W air traffic. Yet there are days when there are many E/W trails.

Not sure where you get that FL does not get much east/west traffic from. There are plenty of flights which come and go to Dallas FortWorth and Houston International Airport. There are Flights which go from Texas, across the Gulf and down to Miami or over to Orlando. There are flights which go from here to England for crying out loud. Aircraft certainly don’t have to follow the landmass like a car does, and enter FL from the North. Also when the airport is routing for a southern approach aircraft come either down the bay or down 275 then have to turn either east or west on their base leg for final approach.
Check these maps out, I bet you had no idea that there was this much traffic into TIA:
South flow all aircraft
North flow all aircraft

Originally posted by OhZone
And who is it that takes the time and trouble to make those daisy formations>

I assume you are talking about holding patterns. A holding pattern looks something like this:

Holding patterns
So basically, to answer your question, bored pilots and annoyed passengers make them.

Originally posted by OhZone
Ignorance is bliss; knowledge is agony.

Hm…..
Nevermind…



[edit on 4/29/2007 by defcon5]

Originally posted by OhZone
I think those photos of WWII planes in the sky with all the "trails" is fake.
Why do we not see them forming from those planes in the phots?
I read that "con trails" are the result of the higher heat from jet engines, and that they are a new phenomena since the jet age began.

Uhm, I hate to break this to you, but contrails were first noticed in 1919. Are you saying they had jets back then?

Q: When were the earliest contrails observed?

A: The first published reports of contrails appeared during and shortly after World War I when aircraft were finally able to reach the altitudes required for contrail formation. An early example of contrail formation was observed during the flights of the pilot Zeno Diemer in 1919, when he reached altitudes as high as 30,500 ft above Munich, Germany.

asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...



[edit on 4/29/2007 by Zaphod58]

Chemtrails get mainstream in Germany (RTL TV)….

For all the skeptics out there … you might like to view the following:

suddenly a meteorogical radar registers the presence of a cloud -- but it's not clear how did this happen? The answer seems to be that this was the result of a military experiment. What are these misterious trails and what is their purpose? We will try to find out. The military planes of the German Federal Army are manipulating our climate; this is what the weather researchers are presuming and their suspicions are confirmed.

Sinister clouds, up to 350 km long, appear all of a sudden on the radar, but only on the meteorogical radars. The first time it happened was in the summer of 2005. and then in March of 2006. The german army has admitted having war exercises towards the borders with the Netherlands.

For Karsten Brandt, meteorologist, this is the answer to the enigma:

KARSTEN BRANDT -- THE FEDERAL ARMY IS MANIPULATING THE METEOROGICAL MAPS...

The translation is pretty accurate and I’m amazed that this is making news in Germany and the weather guys + the greens taking on the air force with legal action…
Amazing …

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I love watching the AWAC taking off! I took this recently (from my back porch)

It's a radar and control aircraft. The dish is a giant radar antenna that sees for hundreds of miles.

E-3 Sentry

E-3

[edit on 12/11/2007 by Zaphod58]

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me too ..

hello neighbor !!

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I've seen plenty of shows on the science channel about fuel conversions in engines and if plane engines differ they could install a bypass. If you can think it up it can be done. And why wouldn't those be chemtrails, it seems to be the perfect cover, out in the wide open and in our face. Just keep an open mind, sit back, read, let things resonate. After favoring a side, oppose it, let IT absorb. You will find anything goes and doesn't necessarily need proving especially here on the internet. However, if you can prove something someone will most likely debunk it anyway.

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