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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 04:54 PM by princeofpeace
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Good gosh-just when i thought i had seen everything on this board. Paranoia has been taken to an even higher level. CHEMTRAILS??? ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
Some folks need to take some science classes or something. My goodness...so now planes are spraying stuff out the exhaust? LOL
Hmmm...i was riding behind a dumptruck today and all of a sudden black smoke came pouring out the back but only for a few seconds. Maybe it was a
CHEMTRAIL disguised as Pollution!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
Okay, im gonna go pull the blinds shut and lock the doors. They're coming to get me.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:11 PM by 117113
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 Originally posted by Zaphod58
Probably a military tanker waiting for a receiver to show up. They fly racetrack patterns or they can fly grid patterns, or whatever pattern ATC
tells them to fly, unless they're in military controlled airspace, in which case they can fly whatever pattern they want to. However, are you 100%
certain it's the same plane and not different ones? Did you see the same plane flying every single leg of the grid, and every bit of it? 
well could you explain why commercial airliners would do this feat?
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:14 PM by 117113
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
Good gosh-just when i thought i had seen everything on this board. Paranoia has been taken to an even higher level. CHEMTRAILS??? ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
Some folks need to take some science classes or something. My goodness...so now planes are spraying stuff out the exhaust? LOL
Hmmm...i was riding behind a dumptruck today and all of a sudden black smoke came pouring out the back but only for a few seconds. Maybe it was a
CHEMTRAIL disguised as Pollution!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
Okay, im gonna go pull the blinds shut and lock the doors. They're coming to get me.
a) this doesnt contribute to the board
b) indeed it sounds ridiculous, but then so does 9/11
c) your post isnt funny, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:23 PM by firepilot
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Because two aircraft, probably airliners, had paths that intersected???? YGBSM
You see something sinister in that? That is constantly happening, all the time. Can you tell us how all the airliners can be up in the air and they
are never near each other, or have paths that intersect?
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:35 PM by 117113
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Originally posted by firepilot
Thats like saying "prove to me there isnt an elephant in my backyard". But your mindset is what chemtrail believers have. You have no proof that
contrails are anything else than water, but you are going to hold onto it unless someone does some study for you showing you it is water, even though
thats what most everyone believes anyways.
Unless you are one of those who believes ice crystals can not persist in frigid temperatures.
Since water is a product of hydrocarbon combustion, and the temperatures at the altitudes of jet turbine aircraft fly are often around 40-60 below
zero, then isnt it a bit more logical to think it is possibly ice crystals forming than some massive conspiracy?
What does a grid have to do with anything anyways? Not that you can differentiate very well from that ground enough to know it was the same plane
anyways. How did this grid=spraying belief come about anyways?
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the average altitude for a commercial flight is 35,000 to 39,000
( Source
and, being that 35,000 is the average altitude, the temperature would be just below 40, and at 39,000 under 49.
Source
if you could clarify what form of ice crystal you are talking of i would appreciate it, as there are 14 different types.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:39 PM by 117113
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Originally posted by firepilot
Because two aircraft, probably airliners, had paths that intersected???? YGBSM
You see something sinister in that? That is constantly happening, all the time. Can you tell us how all the airliners can be up in the air and they
are never near each other, or have paths that intersect?
commercial airliners MUST keep a certain distance from each other, should they be commercial they are FAR to close
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:45 PM by firepilot
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If they have the required vertical seperation, they can pass directly under or over each other, no big deal. I would bet every dollar I have that
they had that seperation in that video too.
Just today I was flying and had an airliner pass 1000 ft directly over me, opposite direction.
Once you are down to -40 to -60 range, water is going to freeze pretty quickly
Do you think cirrus clouds are a hoax, or that ice cant last in cold temps?
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:57 PM by Imperium Americana
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Originally posted by 117113
commercial airliners MUST keep a certain distance from each other, should they be commercial they are FAR to close
Am I the only one that LOL at that? Yes 117113 you are correct they are FAR close!
BTW Firepilot and Zaphod58....which FAR is the vert sep conditions? I know the odd-even(E-W) reg but I always forget. It is what 2k when on the same
track and 1k for opp. directions? Anyway 117113 if it was a problem their Bitchin Betty (TCAS) would have gone crazy. They did, most likely, get a
heads up from ATC about the traffic.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 05:59 PM by 117113
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these planes are approaching each other at an angle, they are not vertical.
what evidence supports ice crystals lingering and appearing like chemtrails/contrails? i have looked and cannot find any.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 06:10 PM by firepilot
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how about one of them is 2000 ft higher than the other, at least. Vertical seperation is the difference between their altitudes, and I will guarantee
they are not at the same altitude.
You dont understand why ice can persist in cold temps? Ever lived somewhere where it is cold and have snow on the ground for a long time or seen
pictures of the arctic? 
If your assertion that ice crystals can not persist in cold temps, then cirrus clouds have to be a hoax. Along with polar ice caps too.
But in your own words, tell us why ice cant last in cold temps, especialyl reallly cold temps in really thin air, we would love to hear.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 06:18 PM by Brother Stormhammer
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Originally posted by 117113
yeah this is true, they do fly in ovals if the airport is full or busy, however, they dont do it 'randomly' when they are not close to an airfield.
also, when airtrafficking, they dont fly in grids, why would you fly in a grid? it is illogical
Actually, depending on traffic volume, planes can fly holding patterns a long way from the air traffic control center that put them into said pattern.
I know that at peak load, Chicago O'Hare can have planes 'stacked' in holding patterns almost down to St. Louis, much to the occasional chagrin of
ATCs at Lambert Field.
As for the 'grid pattern', you can see those around Sky Harbor (Phoenix). It's not one plane flying a 'grid search' pattern, it's the cumulative
effect of repeated take-off and landing cycles from the same runway...you get lots of planes flying parallele courses over time. If their contrails
persist for more than a few minutes, instant grid. You can get a similar effect around VOR navigation checkpoints.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 06:37 PM by Zaphod58
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Originally posted by 117113
commercial airliners MUST keep a certain distance from each other, should they be commercial they are FAR to close
They also keep VERTICAL separation as well as horizontal. Tell me what the altitude of those planes is. You CAN'T. One could EASILY be 3-4000 feet
higher than the other one. They were also probably over 1 mile apart horizontally.
The separation regulations require only 1,000 feet of vertical separation and only 1/2 mile horizontal separation. They EASILY were outside those
limits I'm willing to bet.
You say there's no vertical separation, then PLEASE tell us how you can tell from BELOW them. I'd love to know how you can tell what altitude a
plane is flying at from looking up at it. There's a wonderful picture from the UK where two planes are just about to collide with each other, taken
looking up, but in reality they're something like 2,000 feet apart from each other, and one is passing under the other.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 06:39 PM by Zaphod58
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In 2003, they reduced the minimums for all air traffic to 1000 vertical. They're having an increase in traffic, so they're trying to put more
airliners in the air, so they reduced the minimums. Other countries have been using 1000' with no problems, so they matched them here in the US.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 07:31 PM by eaglewingz
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Originally posted by 117113
and in fairness no chemtrail believer thinks that every exhaust fume that they see are chemtrails.
In fairness, yes, some chemtrail believers think that EVERY persistent contrail is a chemtrail.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
...a contrail is formed from the heat from the jet engine, and only leaves a trail for a few SECONDS
And I've seen the same "contrails only last for seconds" line from several other posters as well.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 07:56 PM by crustas
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to Zaphod58:
I would like you to answer the following question if possible:
If what i see in my sky are just normal contrails, why is that after 30 to 45 mins(the time for the contrail to expand forming a veil) since the
contrail is produced, there is a sudden decrease in temperature around 1 to 3 degrees Celsius?
Thank you
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 08:19 PM by Zaphod58
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Persistent contrails have been known to expand out to form cirrus cloud layers. Cirrus clouds have been known to cause heating or cooling of the
surrounding atmosphere.
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 08:25 PM by xxghostsxx
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Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?
Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?
(Note - We cannot confirm the following statement but the implications are enormous, and we expect there will be serious efforts to investigate and
evaluate these allegations quickly. -ed.)....
www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...
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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 08:28 PM by Zaphod58
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Yeah, I love that story. It makes great bedtime reading. You HONESTLY believe that they're going to use COMMERCIAL planes to spray things? There
are hundreds of military planes they would be using if they were doing this on any kind of scale. Military planes wouldn't be sitting in the open
where anyone could see the spraying equipment while sitting in the terminal waiting to board.
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reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 01:31 AM by firepilot
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That story has been around since 2000 or 2001, someone wrote it as a joke, along with one from a pilot too. Anyone who knows much about aviation can
see it is not meant to be real, but you can feed that stuff to chemtrail believers all day long.
Zaphod, post that link again to that air traffic pic, and let them tell us what those planes should not have intersecting paths. They were pretty
quiet after seeing it last time.
Okay I will ask again. How does a grid have to do with spraying and can you tell me of any actual spraying (like crop dusting, insect control
flights, etc) where they use a grid?
RVSM = Reduced Vertical Seperation Minimum
www.faa.gov...
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reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 01:36 AM by Zaphod58
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It's at the top of page 2 on this thread already. I think a lot of people just didn't bother to look at it.
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