Written language becoming the way of the dinosaurs?, page 3
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reply posted on 20-11-2007 @ 11:15 AM by TheDuckster
Uhhh!!! ...sorry.

No bun intended, Duckster, but this is about language, so in the name of correctness, LC ??(just made up a new acronym), I have to point out the correct spelling is 'Calligraphy'.


Ahhhhhh!!! Thankyou for pointing that out. (Ducky..you're slipping..bad girl)

Just want to say about making new words to avoid foreign words in a language, the post-war Germans went to great length doing so. To substitute the original French word of 'medicin' they invented the good German word 'wiedergesundheitherstellungsmittel', which directly translates as 'again-health-making-agent'.


I bolded that German word above. That's a mouthful eh? No wonder they wanted to shorten it to: Medicine.

Hence one of the reasons as to why people abreviate words when they text each other.

I can understand if people are familiar with each other's handwriting, then abreviated words are widely used.

I wonder if people research from time to time and figure out where our English language derives from.

For example: The word 'OK' denotes agreement or concordance. Have many of you ever wondered where we got these 2 letters from?

What does "OK" stand for

The letters, not to keep you guessing, stand for "oll korrect." They're the result of a fad for comical abbreviations that flourished in the late 1830s and 1840s.


I'm not asking that everyone pull their dictionaries out and study them, but keep in mind the terminolgies surrounding words. Knowledge is power.

I went to the mall yesterday, waited in line, (one can't help but overhear people speaking sometimes) and overheard two young kids chatting with each other. One was reprimanding the other.

The conversation went something like this:

1st kid: "Dude...you can't use that word like that...that's retarded."
2nd kid: "Why not? I heard (so-and-so) say it!
1st kid: "G. get a dictionary...don't be stupid, or you won't sound cool."
2nd kid: "I don't got one at home.

The kids had shopping money and went on to buy the latest games for their 'PSP' or 'X Box' or something what ever.

I guess they couldn't afford to buy a dictionary while they were at it.



[edit on 20-11-2007 by TheDuckster]


reply posted on 20-11-2007 @ 12:10 PM by TheDuckster
reply to post by Alxandro



Exactly!

I see you caught that little error up there. (I'm batting 0 for 2 today)

I remember another member mentioning (a few months back) about the importance or rather non-importance of how members convey ideas through their posts.

This person said: (paraphrasing) "That as long as they could at least 'understand' the message behind the post, it didn't matter how many spelling mistakes were made." It showed a great amount of leniency on the readers part.

We ATS'ers have to take in that same information and realise that there are members ALL around the world, that don't have 'English as their primary language. That's where patience and tolerance should kick in.

What I don't condone, is the fact that there are members who insist on txt message talk on the boards, or slang gibberish that I need to consistantly ask for alternative definitions to figure out what has been said.

I'm not a staunch stickler (was that redundant?) for proper sentence structure everytime I read the threads. However, it would make everyone's day run more smoothly, if we all took the time to properly place our thoughts in writing/typing.

~Ducky~



reply posted on 20-11-2007 @ 06:22 PM by Noscitare
Hello out there. I'm new to ATS and am finding this place utterly fascinating.

This thread grabbed my attention because the negative (at least in my opinion) effects upon written language by the ever more swift transmission of that writing has always been a bit of a pet peeve of mine.

I miss the day of the handwritten letter delivered by the postal service. And no, I'm not 150 years old.

In the days of pen-ink-and-paper personal communication people had a much better command of the language. Now, in that age of the instantaneously transmitted word care no longer has to be taken in one's composition. There seems to be more of a "disconnect" between the brain and the hand.

There is an interesting passage in Gadamer's Truth and Method in this regard:

"Letters...are an interesting intermediate phenomenon: a kind of written conversation that, as it were, stretches out the movement of talking at cross purposes and seeing each other's point. The art of writing letters consists in not letting what one says become a treatise on the subject but in making it acceptable to the correspondent. But on the other hand it also consists in preserving and fulfilling the standard of finality that everything stated in writing has. The time lapse between sending a letter and receiving an answer is not just an external factor, but gives this form of communication its special nature as a particular form of writing. So we note that speeding up the post has not improved this form of communication but, on the contrary, has led to a decline in the art of letter writing."

Another good work on how technology has affected language is Electric Language: A Philosophical Study of Word Processing, by Michael Heim. This book was written in 1989 and deals with how language changed with the advent of first the typewriter and then the word processor. Email was just a bit more than a glimmer on the horizon, not to mention IRC, IM and TXT.

Also, it was nice to see that someone else out theres take pleasure in the use of a fountain pen.

Thanks.


reply posted on 14-7-2008 @ 05:27 PM by Anonymous ATS
For the people who object to any word coming to refer to something that no dictionary has yet noticed that word referring to:

HAIL TO THEE, O ENGLISH USAGE PURIST
by Kate Gladstone

(tune: "The Irish Rover")

People say the English tongue
Is coming quite unsprung,
When words get new meanings, lose the ones they had.
Check the Oxford Dictionary,
And you'll find this isn't scary,
Degenerate, or new, or even bad.

In the days of Chaucer, once
You called your friend a DUNCE,
And meant he was a high-class intellectual:
But if you called somebody NICE,
What you meant, to be precise,
Was to label him as dim and ineffectual.

CHORUS: They lament what we've done
To the old mother tongue,
Howling "crime" and claiming multitudes misuse it ...
If they'd practice what they preach,
They'd speak eight-hundred-year-old speech ...
If they won't, they shouldn't say that we abuse it.

If you call word-changes bad,
And you say they make you SAD --
This, eight hundred years ago, meant down-to-earth ...
If all usage must be old,
Then STARVE is "die of cold,"
And AMUSED is "stunned," instead of "touched by mirth".

NAUGHTY now means nothing much --
An infant's prank or such --
But long ago in Chaucer's day medieval,
Or even Shakespeare's time,
It meant "hostile", "prone to crime",
"Worthless" (morally, or otherwise), and "evil."

CHORUS:

If you call a girl a HUSSY,
And she gets all mean and fussy,
Say you haven't cast aspersions on her life,
Tell her that your speech is pure,
And she therefore should be sure
That you meant -- like men of old -- she's a "housewife."

Find an English-usage smarty
And invite him to a party.
Offer POISON. He will think you've lost your mind.
You should whine and act offended
That your friendship now is ended,
Like the former meaning: "drink of any kind."

CHORUS:

He'll call your behavior AWFUL.
As a compliment it's lawful
To accept this, for as such it has no flaw --
If words mustn't ever change
To new meanings, it's not strange
That he kindly found his host "inspiring awe."

If they call me SILLY, I'll
Just bow my head and smile --
For this once meant "holy," also "full of joy" --
So this word you surely may
Use of anyone today
Whose devotion to old meanings might annoy.

CHORUS:

[L'envoi:]
I hope you liked this song,
And you didn't find it long --
Call it PRETTY and I'll know just how you feel:
If changed meanings are obscene,
"Crafty's" all that word may mean,
And the meaning of "attractive" can't be real!
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