Bin Laden overseeing Iraq, Afghanistan ops: Taliban

Bin Laden overseeing Iraq, Afghanistan ops: Taliban

Bin Laden is overseeing operations in Iraq and fighting his won war miles away from the front. In an interview with Al-Jazerra television.

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Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden is orchestrating militants' operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a senior commander of Afghan Islamist group Taliban said in remarks broadcast on Wednesday.

Bin Laden has not made any video statements for many months raising speculation that he might have died.

"He is drawing plans in Iraq and Afghanistan ... Praise God he is alive," Mullah Dadullah told Al Jazeera television

This is a dream come true for OBL as again he can fight the West and not get his own hands dirty. Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden is orchestrating militants' operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a senior commander of Afghan Islamist group Taliban said in remarks broadcast on Wednesday. There is a large upsurge of attacks in recent days again and there is no end in sight. You cannot build a wall around a city and leave it there forever.



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Is anyone who read this OK with this, or do we all think it is fodder for the Administration?

When did he resurrect from the dead?

I have a hard time believing any report coming out of the Mideast by any western news agency in Lew of the Tillman/Lynch scandal and its accompaning attempt at propaganda, fear mongering and cheerleading for this war.

I'm sick of the lies!!

Question Authority, especially now that we have seen the American taxpayers are just pawn in some "glorious" crusade. American lives have ceased to matter, just damage in the persuit of "what"? I don't really know anymore the story has changed so often.

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THe French reported him dead, but ISI in PAki knows he is in their country but they cannot get to him. I find the fact that this guy talked him up to be strange since we have not heard much about him lately.

I find very interesting that we still have Bin laden to pop up whenever the occasion seems fit to bring him on.

But if you look at where the information comes from, is never him in person but rather one of his officials making the news hard to swallow.

Funny that Iraq was a bin laden free country before the invasion but now he seems to be everywhere.

Then again it doesn't matter, as long as is Islamic, Arabs, Muslin in the middle east is always going to be a bin laden to blame for anything that goes wrong.

Originally posted by esdad71
Is anyone who read this OK with this, or do we all think it is fodder for the Administration?

most of us just go like this

"ooh another Bin ladin tape"
he must have a wicked secert layout mabe one like doctor evil from austin powers two that fires a croch shaped missile"

sorry but these bin ladin topics are jokes mainly because (TWAT) TheWarAgaintTeror forum is just full of bin ladin i mean how can one man on the run supposidly dead command such an unorganised group?



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I see bin LAden using the same strategy that was used in Afghanistan. He is fighting a war in another country and he is attempting to take down a world power.

Originally posted by esdad71
I see bin LAden using the same strategy that was used in Afghanistan. He is fighting a war in another country and he is attempting to take down a world power.

does bin ladin really need to do anything?
i mean your president is already doing that to your country on his own.

Bush hasn't done anything terribly harmful.

But some idiots use anything as a chance to whine about politics.

Originally posted by Johnmike
Bush hasn't done anything terribly harmful..

What do you call this then?

www.oldamericancentury.org...

Originally posted by whaaa
What do you call this then?

www.oldamericancentury.org...

Hmm....

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Okay, this one is just stupid.
It's a leader's job to rally people, for one. Whats wrong with flags? What's wrong with patriotism? There's nothing with displaying patriotic symbols. And remember that Bush doesn't run the factory where they're produced...

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

I'm split down the middle here. I'm assuming that the first thing listed is referring to the Patriot Act. I don't like it, personally, but remember, it was signed into law by Congress.

I agree that there is no such thing as "international law." I mainly take this position because I fear that UN "international law" will somehow override national sovereignty. I don't believe in torture, but detained POWs don't have a fundamental right to be treated well.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc

This is moronic. This has nothing to do with George Bush, whoever put this there is a nitwit.

4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

This is just as stupid. Apparently having a military channel is fascist, and somehow Bush's fault.
In addition, I don't think that education is even the place of the state. I think that putting the government in charge of education is a fascist and communist principle in itself... Defense is one of the few things that the government should be doing.

5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

I'll do this one step by step (without quoting each one).

First link: (Excerpt from the linked article)

The White House released a statement in April 2004 expressing President Bush’s support for a longstanding policy that bars discrimination based on sexual orientation in the federal workplace.

It's funny, the person who wrote this obviously didn't expect the people reading his article to actually click on the links. Nice spreading lies and propaganda!

Second link: (excerpt)

President Bush endorsed a constitutional amendment Tuesday that would restrict marriage to two people of the opposite sex but leave open the possibility that states could allow civil unions.

Bush is not against civil unions. He just wants to define marriage as between a man and a woman. I don't mind, AS LONG AS there's a way to have a civil union that is recognized in all states.

Third link: I can't even find where it says what this "resolution" was. They didn't link directly to it, so it's pretty much manipulative, misleading hearsay.

Fourth: Okay, he doesn't think abortion should be legal. I don't believe that abortion is moral, either (though I don't know if the government should be involved...). That has nothing to do with sexism. Misleading propaganda.

Fifth and last: The Independent Women's Forum states that it is against anything that gives women a privilege or advantage above men, including policies of affirmative action. As a while male, I sure have felt the effects of those policies, though those are based on race rather than sex. I don't know nearly enough to judge the IWF.

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

None of the articles talk about George Bush. More stupidity and propaganda, sadly.
Course, the U.S. government had taken part in some propaganda in the past. There are several parts of this nation's history that I find to be disgusting, while others are glorious. But this article doesn't say anything about Bush's involvement in a "controlled mass media."

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

I obsess over national security, too. I want our children to be safe. Don't you? None of the articles link to anything that has any real meaning. One says that George Bush feels that Kerry would fail at keeping our nation safe, another thinks that he raises the threat level too often.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

This section is particularly despicable. It doesn't say anything about Bush himself, it just says that a couple of religious people like him. Once again, propaganda. Whoever authored this is obviously trying to further a political agenda in one way or another.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Only two of these articles really says anything about Bush. One says that certain corporations are favored. I don't know enough to investigate every company, but it seems to draw somewhat hasty conclusions. It states, for example, that a company was awarded a no-bid contract, but doesn't say anything about how this means favoritism.
The second one is more of the same thing. Again, it doesn't show anything that shows that this was done because of favoritism. For all we know, these companies would have gotten the contracts even if Bush didn't exist.
Even if it is favoritism, we don't know if it's Bush that is responsible. And honestly, if I knew a company, I would trust it more than one I didn't.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

Most of the articles are about Bush pledging to veto a bill that allows "airport screeners" to unionize. This is most definitely to prevent them from striking during a national emergency.
The other is on overtime pay. It required businesses to pay time and a half. Some members of Congress wanted to change this, along with some other things. Personally, I agree with this, since forcing companies to do similar things results in less jobs. But I'm not going to get into that argument, since Bush wasn't mentioned in the entire article! More misleading propaganda.




Will be continued in the next post. Stupid character limit. (Need a break, too.)

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11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Only one actually talks about Bush. The rest are just thrown in there. It talks about "administration officials" replacing sections of a CDC fact sheets and whatnot. It's just too vague. It doesn't say who these "administration officials" are or why anything was replaces. Overall, nothing here says anything about Bush himself.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

Some of this talks about "international law." I already stated my opinion on that. Only big thing is surveillance without a warrant. I fiercely oppose that, as it is a potential violation of our rights. But remember, Congress signed the Patriot Act.
Doesn't make Bush any more right, though. They're all to blame. It has nothing to do with party.

And how about this then?


www.iht.com...

Your last post was just a bunch of hollow rhetoric.
Maybe you can try a little harder on this one.