ISP's accelorate censorship on the web !!, page 1


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Topic started on 1-1-2004 @ 07:02 PM by smirkley
It appears the use of 'Black Lists' are being implemented more and more.

SPAM SUCKS, but is a legitamate enterprise, that cannot be controlled by legislation.

YET, more and more mail servers and IP's are black listed, and then blocked by the ISP's from their paid customers.

Take eNom for example....

One of the largest registrars of domain names in the world.

www.enom.com...

over 2,500,000 TLD's registered, and twice that in hosted DNS's.

Almost a half a billion DNS queries and over a million emails forwarded, PER DAY!


Unfortunatly, due to ISP's determining that they are the best people to decide what is best for their paying customers, ISP's are fingering IP's at an alarming rate, and in doing so, are blocking the mail servers that the registrar uses to merely redirect emails from.

Keep in mind I am only using two different companies as example, but this is currently prevailent among almost all ISP's and Registrar's in the world.

Road Runner is one of them. They are beginning to block the mail coming thru enom's mail servers, only becouse of a website that has forwarded spam thru them. Enom has made considerable concessions and adjustments to their systems to accomidate Road Runner demands, and in the end, RR has done nothing to release the server blocks in place.

This is no different than shutting down a gun manufacturer, becouse some thug used one of their guns to kill somebody.

SPAM SUCKS, and becouse of it we are being 'protected' from the evils, and many times dont even know it.

I say SPAM BE FREE...let it happen, if it was an industry that could not make money from their customers ads, then it would cease to exist.

If you want spam to stop, quit clicking on the banners, and quit buying things from the spammer's clients.


Note: I am not a spammer nor involved in the industry, yet I use enom as a registrar for my domain names, and as a result am many times effected by this filtering of my emails, to someone else, becouse the ISP they use thinks it is spam.

This censorship must stop, and should not be tolerated by anyone, as it is a legal enterprise. The National do not call list is dealing with this issue right now in court, and will probubly be greatly modified to remain legal. In the end it will be up to the consumer to pay for this blind 'protection', and that is the correct way to do it.

You might reply,..well you should get a different registrar, or a new ISP...that isnt the point.

Censorship IS the point. They have no right to block something that they deem inappropriate for me.

And even then, anybody, anyone, please demonstrate to me that there are ISP's that dont block, or use black lists. I would be real suprised to see any followup on that statement.


reply posted on 1-1-2004 @ 07:26 PM by smirkley
Please understand me, and read up on the DNS system.

You have no choice or control or knowledge of a blacklist in your ISP.

No use can block spam this way.

A regular web 'browser' individual has just an account for access, and an email account with their registrar.

It is not at this level.


Now lets say you want to build a website....


we'll use ATS for example..

Of course they must use a server, to host the web pages and apps that the website will have on it.

But they need a domain name too.

So William or Simon buy a domain name (www.abovetopsecret.com) and point it to their webserver.

This way a user just types in www.abovetopsecret.com and they are redirected to the server that william maintains.

To do this you buy your domain name at a 'registrar' which is an accredited sales agent of the TLD and domain name associated with it.

Well william also wants the email to be directed to him and from him.

This is a value added feature of owning a domain name.

Anybody that emails ats , their email is first sent to the registrar, and then redirected to the customer, william.



William, and the website, will also send out email.

It does not require the use of the same registrar to be sent out, but ultimatly will be forwarded the same way by some registrar to get to it's destination.

This is how it always works.

If you are a spammer, you pump out a billion emails to all possible places. The emails will bounce off a registrar, to be sent to the recipient.

To get on a black list, basically all you have to to is have a complaint against you.

The mailserver gets fingered becouse of it being forwarded thru a registrar, or spoofed headers.

The ISP's subscribe to the blacklists becouse their costomers love not getting spam. They then filter out all email going to the customer from mail servers that are black listed.

Many times you find that legitamate email starts being blocked going to you, the user. How do you know?....when your buddy says "I emailed you, but you never replied."

He emailed you, but becouse a domain name he uses for email, similar to the ATS email here, was filtered out, and you never received it.
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