I am Sick and Tired of Anti-Homosexual People.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Kacen, well, it is a political issue as well. However, I am not going there. Do I think that gays should be allowed to get married? Uh, my understanding is that marriage is the union between a MAN and a WOMAN, not a man and man or a woman and woman. So, no, I don't think gay marriage should be legal.

So gays can't have the same opportunities as straight people because marriage may only exist between a man and a woman.

What will they have then? If it's the same concept, but called something different, I'm guessing their rights would be more limited than a conventional couple. That could end up being just as bad as not being able to be married at all.

If you're against gay marriage for religious purposes, please consider the 'seperation of church and state' doctrine.

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Blacks were shipped from Africa to America to work on plantations and for that purpose only. In fact, they were considered property, not human beings. That was the mind frame of these people, that it was perfectly normal to do this because it was the conventional thing to do, own slaves.

Even after the Civil War, blacks' rights were limited. Schools were still segregated. There were still white water fountains and colored water fountains and etc. They couldn't vote, could hardly get jobs or even use the same restrooms. Plus, they had to deal with the day to day racism of their peers.

Did blacks choose to be blacks? No. Were people being prejudiced against them because they were a minority? Yes. The KKK strictly thought America was "white man's land" just as homophobes strictly think that marriage should only exist between a man and a woman.

Can gays choose to be gay? No. Are people being prejudiced against them because they're a minority? Yes.

Human nature is very xenophobic, but people have to be open-minded and mature to be able to accept people for who they are. Yes, that sounds totally corny, but I think it's appropriate.

I guess America just hasn't grown to that maturity quite yet.

Originally posted by Paresthesia

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Kacen, well, it is a political issue as well. However, I am not going there. Do I think that gays should be allowed to get married? Uh, my understanding is that marriage is the union between a MAN and a WOMAN, not a man and man or a woman and woman. So, no, I don't think gay marriage should be legal.

So gays can't have the same opportunities as straight people because marriage may only exist between a man and a woman.Can gays choose to be gay? No. Are people being prejudiced against them because they're a minority? Yes.

Human nature is very xenophobic, but people have to be open-minded and mature to be able to accept people for who they are. Yes, that sounds totally corny, but I think it's appropriate.

I guess America just hasn't grown to that maturity quite yet.

Corny or not, it is not hate anyway. I love that kind of respectful, accepting attitude. Gays are not wrong or abnormal, and they either should be able to access all the same societal benefits and rights as the straight couples or else it must be legitimately proven that there is some reason that they should not be allowed to marry. I say there is no good reason for them to be excluded or discriminated against. I invite anyone to challenge my position with whatever reasons you can find to prove me wrong. Why can my fiance and I marry, and a gay couple not? It does not negatively affect our union by allowing theirs. It is just unfair towards the gay community to treat them differently.

Originally posted by Kacen
I am Sick and Tired of Anti-Homosexual People

So .. you are sick and tired of anti-homosexual intolerance, BUT here you are INTOLERANT of the beliefs of others. that's kinda funny.

Originally posted by Kacen
why would God make them homosexual? Make them like that, then expect them to overcome it?

Why does God make some heterosexual people with overactive sex hormones which constantly tempt them to adultry? Why does God make some people with same sex attraction that constantly temps them to homosexual acts? PERHAPS it's a gift in the sense that people with these biological makeups can offer up being monogomous or celebate as a GIFT back to God. It's a huge gift that a person can give to their Creator - to live according to His laws even when the biology wants something else.


As far as I'm concerned - what two adults agree to do with each other in their own bedroom is between them and God. However, when it is shoved in my face (and this goes for heterosexual acts as well) then it invades my space and I can't stand it.

Originally posted by FlyersFanHowever, when it is shoved in my face (and this goes for heterosexual acts as well) then it invades my space and I can't stand it.

I was just wondering how often you have homosexual and heterosexual acts shoved in your face? I never have, and I know a few people from each camp. I can see why you would not like it, but I am curious why you are subjected to it, as I never have been.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
how often you have homosexual and heterosexual acts shoved in your face?

PDA - Public displays of affection. I don't mind hand holding and that sort of thing .. but when ANYONE starts feeling up their partner and shoving their tongue down the others throat ... etc etc ...

Where?? Amusement parks, the beach, the movies (little kid movies!), the store, walking in Old Town Philly, etc etc. Some folks seriously need to get a room! And yes - I've had both heterosexual and homosexuals getting hot and bothered 'in my space'.

For those of you who think being homosexual is a choice, here is c/p of a post I made earlier.

Homosexuality is not a choice, and I can state that absolutely because of this. If you think that it is a choice, it means that you yourself find sexual stimulation in both genders. A womans vagina gives you the same excitement as a man's penis. That is the only way you can believe that. It means that at one point in your life, YOU decided to stick to one or the other. How's them apples? You ready to admit that? Didn't think so.

I myself only find that stimulation in the opposite sex. That is also how I know homesexuality is not a choice. I don't have that choice to make.

Now this doesn't include bisexuality. I've heard Elton John say that to be bisexual, is to deny one's homosexuality, or something similiar to that - but I had numerous friends once upon a time, that explained to me, that although they were able to be stimulated by both sexes, sexually, they were only able to 'love' the same sex. It was actually a big joke in this circle of friends, and the strictly homosexual of the bunch, would always poke fun at them. It was quite funny at times.

So stop worrying that a person can be taught to be gay. With the stigma that homesexuality carries with it in this society, who in their right mind would CHOOSE to be gay if they weren't? Get it?

If you want to argue the choice to live the lifestyle, by all means, words never hurt anyone - but keep in mind, homesexuality has absolutely no more detriment to society, to you, or to your children, than anything else - and how could one honestly justify denying someone's most primal of emotions, that need to be satisfied to function properly and healthily as a human being.

Heterosexuals rape, abuse and molest people as much if not more than homosexuals.

Heterosexuals spread disease as much if not more than homosexuals.

Homosexuals have been around as long as heterosexuals and yet the population is doing just fine. In fact, there is serious debate on reducing the population.

I would rather watch a gay parade than a St. Patricks or New Years or Macey's, they are just that much more colorful.

Turn the channel away from Queer Eye and Will and Grace and Ellen, just like you would any other show you don't like.

Noone is stuffing gayness down any one's throat. Get over it, life is really not that difficult.

Find some other battle, this is a non-issue.

Originally posted by nextguyinline
Turn the channel away from Queer Eye and Will and Grace and Ellen,

THOSE are things I DO like. Queer Eye is great I LOVE project runway and Top Chef as well - both of which have had numerous 'gay' participants. The thing is .. none of those shows had PDA by gay and/or straight people who were on them.

It isn't the 'being gay' that I don't like .. it's the very intense PDA (public displays of affection) that I don't like. I don't like them by ANYONE - not just gay.

I'm old fashioned I guess .. I think it belongs in the bedroom.

Eh, fair enough. Thats fine.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I have only seen straight people trying to force their sexuality onto gays, and never seen a gay person try to convince someone to become gay.
Have you?

Yes I have.

I have come across a few very agressive gay people. They start the conversation polite enough then question why I am being so nice to them.

I reply that I am nice to most people that I meet as long as they do not appear hostile to me or the people that I value. Next they ask for my personal views on gay people.

I reply that I am ok with gay people so long as they do not try and convince me to join them. Some gay people get it straight away and do not persue the topic any further, but a few them somehow see it as their mission to "convert" me no matter the cost.

I spent lots of time trying to fend off their attempts to convert me, who try inviting me to their parties and showing up at my house asking for a date out with me.

I repeatedly tell them that I am straight and have no interest in homosexual experiences, inwhich they will say that I should at least give it one go......with them...... :bnghd:

So far, from what I have experienced, Bi-sexual people tend to be less agressive in their pursues for partners, I have not meet an agressive bi-sexual person yet, and I am not bi-curious either way.

Poly-sexual people I have not encountered, but my friends say they have.

I have friends who see it as their goal to "convert' homosexual people into heterosexual people as well. I usually reply:

"Who are you to know what is best for others?"

"Tolerance only last so long, to understand, means never having to tolerate it at all."

Hence, I try my best to understand other people as much as I can. People of all sexual orientations.

note:I am not poly-sexual curious either.

[edit on 30-4-2007 by ixiy]

Originally posted by Paresthesia
I guess America just hasn't grown to that maturity quite yet.

Well said Paresthesia.

You have voted Paresthesia for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

[edit on 30-4-2007 by ben91069]

Originally posted by ixiy

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I have only seen straight people trying to force their sexuality onto gays, and never seen a gay person try to convince someone to become gay.
Have you?

Yes I have.

I have come across a few very agressive gay people. They start the conversation polite enough then question why I am being so nice to them.

I reply that I am ok with gay people so long as they do not try and convince me to join them. Some gay people get it straight away and do not persue the topic any further, but a few them somehow see it as their mission to "convert" me no matter the cost.

I spent lots of time trying to fend off their attempts to convert me, who try inviting me to their parties and showing up at my house asking for a date out with me.

I repeatedly tell them that I am straight and have no interest in homosexual experiences, inwhich they will say that I should at least give it one go......with them...... :bnghd:

I have friends who see it as their goal to "convert' homosexual people into heterosexual people as well. I usually reply:

"Who are you to know what is best for others?"

"Tolerance only last so long, to understand, means never having to tolerate it at all."

Hence, I try my best to understand other people as much as I can. People of all sexual orientations.
[edit on 30-4-2007 by ixiy]

You must be a really hot looking guy! I have had a gay man say I had a nice butt, but that is it. I've never seen a gay person try to convert a straight one. But I've seen lots the other way.

Originally posted by ixiy
Poly-sexual people I have not encountered, but my friends say they have.

You mean like, with parrots? indeed!

I'm with Flyers Fan. I don't much care what consenting adults do. And I really don't want to know. Public is not the place, no matter which way you incline.



[edit on 4/30/2007 by yeahright]

To me, it depends a lot on the surroundings. We have a nude beach near here, and it is public. Some people are okay with it, others are not. I see kissing and hugging in public as fine, but sexual contact not. But, on topic, a lot of people have a much different reaction to seeing a man and woman kiss and hug, and a man and man do so. If there is a good reason why it matters what gender the couple is, I can't see it.
It is the same with gay marriage. Two people want to spend their lives together, which is a good thing, so why should their gender matter? I admit that I would react differently to a film of sex between and straight couple and a gay couple, but that is likely because I am attracted to the opposite sex. Everyone likely has preferences in what they seek for their partner, but anti-gay comments go beyond that, telling others what their preferences can and cannot include. I am glad I don't let others tell me mine.

I fully agree. I don't find the idea of two men making out appealing as I'm straight, but you know I don't have a problem with them. I do like lesbians though... However, I only like softcore things...I'm not into porn. I'm weird. I like romantic stuff, I'm sophisticated.

Originally posted by stompk
I'm sick and tired of homosexual people. Keep it to yourself. Stop trying to get special treatment. If you want that lifestyle, then go live it. Stop forcing it in front of my kids. This politically correct world has accepted it. Much to it's moral degredation. How do we reproduce, if men are sleeping with men, and women with women. Believe it or not, part of being human is the insurance of a future race by reproduction.
Don't let homosexual thoughts through loneliness turn you into a homosexual. It's not what your doing to yourself, it's what your doing to the rest of us. Forcing us to accept it. Have I forced God on you?

I couldn't have said it better myself. I dont care what your do in your own bedroom that is up to you but why should we have to be forced to accept it? It's like gays have become there own race of humans and disliking them is basically like being branded a rascist.
Not to mention reality shows on tv now. Has anyone else noticed they all seem to have the token gay in the show?

You have to accept it because they exist - always have, always will.

It's like complaining you have to accept the sun comimg up every morning.

And anyway, it's like complaining about what's on TV or the radio. You have power over your own eyes, you can choose to look away, turn the channel, turn off the TV. I don't like the shopping cart guy with the dread loaf that smells like he's been dead for four days that circles the 'hood here, so I just avoid him. I'm not going to try to have him locked up. I can go the other way when I see him, or I can cross the street, or I can wait inside until he's past.

And I know of gays and straights that try to change someone to their point of view, and switch to playing for the other team. That's just wishful thinking. If a gay person suddenly becomes straight, then they were probably bisexual to begin with. And vice versa.

You are completely right you do have the power to look away.But lets say someone turns off a show that they dont like and then they complain about how crap the show is, do you see me making a topic saying IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO DONT WATCH THE SOPRANOS!!! No you dont so although you say we can look away that doesnt mean we arent allowed to have our own opinion on the topic.
Being negative towards the topic of gays doesnt make you a bad person and I think that msg should really be put out there.

Originally posted by MrRobarto
do you see me making a topic saying IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO DONT WATCH THE SOPRANOS!!! No you dont so although you say we can look away that doesnt mean we arent allowed to have our own opinion on the topic.
Being negative towards the topic of gays doesnt make you a bad person and I think that msg should really be put out there.

The television show taste of others is not the same as their sexuality, especially since many gays still get killed by homophobic bashers for being gay. What shows you watch won't get you killed.
I never saw the sopranos, and never will, I bet. Bad thoughts and bad words, even bad deeds, don't make one a bad person.
It is not loving, or respectful to act or speak negatively about one because of who they are, be it their sex, ethnicity, nationality, colour, or sexual preference. But it doesn't make one a bad person, and it is within ones rights to do so.
It's just not nice.

Originally posted by MrRobarto
You are completely right you do have the power to look away.But lets say someone turns off a show that they dont like and then they complain about how crap the show is, do you see me making a topic saying IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO DONT WATCH THE SOPRANOS!!! No you dont so although you say we can look away that doesnt mean we arent allowed to have our own opinion on the topic.
Being negative towards the topic of gays doesnt make you a bad person and I think that msg should really be put out there.

There's also a difference between "looking away" and denying somebody rights because of the way they are. Nobody is cramming homosexuality down your throat when they want gay rights, they're just asking that you don't shove your view down their throat by not letting them get married/adopt, etc.