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reply posted on 23-4-2007 @ 09:48 PM by cpdaman
the thing i am trying to figure out is if fipronil usage (through BASF corn line portfolio or others) had a marked increase over the last 2 years that coincides with the bee death's .

it is interesting to note that it appears (to my amateur eyes) that when the fipronil used in icon was phased out due to falling sales it was bought out by basf and used in it's corn line (regent) which allowed BASF to enter the seed treatment business which (wouldn't you know it the bee's take the corn's nectar after pollination occurs) and it appears the increasing use of this product by BASF should be studied further due to its proximity to the time when bee's rapidly began to die off

it fluoridealert.org...

Tom as always i like to know your imput

as always BASF is affiliated with MONSANTO and seems like the relationship is growing ever closer

query.nyt imes.com

p.s monsanto's board director robert j stevens is also the chairman, CEO, and prsident of Lockheed martin corporation as well as member of the CFR. surprising to see the man that oversees such a wonderful corporation has such other influential affiliations

george h poste is also on the board at monsanto as well as being on the science board for the U.S. Department of Defense, and he chairs that group's Task Force on Bioterrorism. as well as member of the CFR
all that is very comforting

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reply posted on 24-4-2007 @ 05:24 AM by MischeviousElf
well seemed my contribution to this thread was ignored....


anyhow the mystery gains some high hitting support:

Clinton Pressurising the Agriculture Dept For Answers NY Times


and it seems that a pesticide may be out of the question:

If the bees were dying of pesticide poisoning or freezing, their bodies would be expected to lie around the hive. And if they were absconding because of some threat — which they have been known to do — they wouldn’t leave without the queen.

MSNBN

Very good point... I never realised that they were disapearing too!!

THIS IS REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT catastrophic even.


Lets find out whats happening and dig deeper, spread the word SAVE THE BEES!

MischeviousElf


reply posted on 24-4-2007 @ 05:40 AM by greatlakes
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
The Einstein Quote oft mis quoted is here
Albert Einstein quote: “If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man.”
Source
Hey who am I to argue with Einstein Think I will take his word for it


GGRRR this Einstein quote is really ticking me off! Nothing against the posters that have quoted the quote or referenced it though.

The quote has really reached mainstream and has become almost viral in replication and source referencing. In reality it is being looked at a a potential hoax. Or at the very least an urban legend / rumor that has spread like wildfire. Bottom line is NO VERIFIABLE SOURCE has been found for the origination of the quote by Albert Einstein. Period.

Not to say the quote is fact or fiction - the jury is still out on this one.

See thread titled: Einstein Quote or HOAX?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Inannamute:

That's great you have some contacts out for more info on this, I also have emailed some in regards to this, keep us informed thanks!

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reply posted on 24-4-2007 @ 10:29 AM by cpdaman
mischevious elf i thank you for the contribution and advice and i would think you would adhere to it as well with out jumping the gun and dismissing the most popular reasons based on some people thinking how they would or wouldn't expect to be the result of insectiside poison.

some group of scientists might be miffed but farmers are not especially in france where they camped out in the dept. of agriculture's office and found out how DOA was sitting on evidence that showed much more harrm than was known and that the DOA worried more about the huge loss in MONEY which would occur if these insectiside poisons were to be discontinued, so they opted for more of a slow replacement

the bottom line is what is most important to these corporations and departments and they will use loopholes and misinformation if not outright lies and get away with what ever they are capable of doing, or in other words whatever the FDA is willing to look past.

monsanto has said in the past they should not be held responsible for the safety of gm foods. point blank they said that falls on the FDA. who is blinded by $$$


If the bees were dying of pesticide poisoning or freezing, their bodies would be expected to lie around the hive. And if they were absconding because of some threat — which they have been known to do — they wouldn’t leave without the queen.



did u read the thread, there are strong indications they are picking up intraclopid/ fipronil poisons along with the pollen/nectar from treated crops or seeds and then becoming disoriented (which will give them problems getting back to the hive, as well as the nectar they are bringing back is poisonous so those in the hive those not directly effected will be exposed and get the heck out of there.

web.uniud.it...

the study determined that due to Regents forumulation the fipronil had been found in the nectar of the MAIZE (corn) and sunflower

and that fipronil was found in 10 of the samples (for some reason the values uk/kg are not included in the free summary) so i will join and post them but given the fact that the ICPBR determined

that the sublethal dosage that effects bee's mortality" at levels .01 uk/kg and sublethal doses at the uk/kg level" per the pdf attatched above that this is a great concern as to why the bee's are staying away from the hive which is found to have some fipronil in the nectar. BADA BING

i also wonder about the effects the finopril has on the reproduction capacities of the bee's - (tom any thoughts on this angle)

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reply posted on 25-4-2007 @ 11:14 AM by cpdaman
also this month HAARP finally changed it's tune and said it's purposes are in some instances directly related to DOD measures.

NOW if fipronil or insectised has been in wide spread use over more than the past 2 years thru the seeding and spraying options described above then

the bee -em connection will gain steam the PTB figure they will eventually have to force them to say

ok for your "national security" we are using harrp and because of the terrorists we had to do this and as a side effect the bee's are dead since this technology is experimental but we had to do this, because of umm terrorists so keep chasing ghosts we financed to later manipulate you for more control actually i dont think they would say this because people would say why don't u just bomb terrorist country's instead of experimenting on us. they (the govt) may be between a rock and a hardplace ( or in need of a false flag and fast to divert attn) now wether u agree or not with the above rant please read the following

EM radiation is light. It doesn't need (or use) a medium.


which brings me to this KNOWLEDGE some of the most prevelant chemicals found in chemtrails have been barium and calcium because if you subject them to Ultra violet light (energy with in sunlight) these materials become electrically charged (ionized) u increase the elctron density in the air which is (a gas) , increase the electrons in the air enough and u reach the stage where u have a plasma gas(AIR), , a plasma is an electronically CONDUCTIVE GAS, it is an open door to manipulte energy (there you are HAARP) which is inclueded in enrgy our bodies work on(elf 0-100 hz)

wake the BLEEP UP

this thread started about bee's bee's are important and wether it is an insectiside causing the bee's downfall or the result of an increasingly electronically charged AIR reaching a threshhold in which the sunlights's EM waves have combined with the barium and calcium from chemtrails to cause the air to become more electronically charged so the air is so conductive that the cellphone radiation passes much more freely thanks to the newly electronically conductive air and effects bee's .

thanks haarp and chemtrails and multi purpose GWEN stations the air is a gas and when the electrons reach a level it forms a plasma gas which when used in conjunction with HAARP 's and GWEN elf transmissions the new conductivity of the air which is also functions as a plasma gas may be reaching a threshhold that effects the bee's or a level that when chemtrails are sprayed now the bee's pick up those cell phone frequency's (which have been proven to bother them) and leave the hive because the air is more of a plasma conductor.

please be constructive with and thoughts please

the above (explanation on electrons and light waves and the such) was thanks to Clifford cornicom in this youtube segment
www.youtube.com...



THE PLOT THICKENS

Mishevous elf what are your thoughts?

fipronil is still a threat in my mind but i would like tom or someone else that has the info. to let me/and those on this thread know if fipronil has been around for awhile in popular use?





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reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 09:00 AM by loam
I apologize for not having read this thread completely- there are so many of them- so forgive me if this has already been posted.

But in any event, I saw this today...



Ta iwan stung by millions of missing bees

Taiwan's bee farmers are feeling the sting of lost business and possible crop danger after millions of the honey-making, plant-pollinating insects vanished during volatile weather, media and experts said on Thursday.

Over the past two months, farmers in three parts of Taiwan have reported most of their bees gone, the Chinese-language United Daily News reported. Taiwan's TVBS television station said about 10 million bees had vanished in Taiwan.

A beekeeper on Taiwan's northeastern coast reported 6 million insects missing "for no reason", and one in the south said 80 of his 200 bee boxes had been emptied, the paper said.

More...


This situation appears to be turning into a global one...


reply posted on 26-4-2007 @ 10:09 PM by cpdaman
www.hese-project.org...

good sight that is really exploring good angles

now putting one and one together

ex. 1

GSM mobile phone systems produce a structural pulse frequency of 217Hz,


ex. 2a

The bee's wings are small for its body, but beat 200 times per second letting the bee fly or hover in one spot."


ex 2b
standardized result
200 Hz


hypertextbook.com... go down to chart

with other examples showing bee's between 190-250 hz based on there hovering

while another link in the article mentions that navigate based on communications in the 10-60 hz range the same range that haarp is using low frequency waves

so any ideas from this

Are EM fields to blame? This is one environmental burden that matches the decline of bees, and the rapid recent rise in universal infrastructures may explain more.


www.hese-project.org...

also someone may like 2

interesting someone ( a bee farmer) needs to take the abandoned hives and place these hives somewhere that other healthy bee's are and see if the bee's dissapear. (anyone have anything on this)
this is a worthwhile route for research, especially if hives resonate in response to the now all-pervasive EM fields.


lastly as far as some of the bee's being found in the hive having multiple diseses and surpressed immune systems









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