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Originally posted by Truth
he doesnt here the prayers of the poor?
brother, the basis of our belief [is] once you truly follow christ you will
have to endure suffering.
you think because people die, they suffer. death is the beggining.
also how do [you] know poor hungry people do not ask for it as penance?
if god fed everybody through miracles to the point where suffering
does not exist, then would they not learn value from suffering?
god cannot tamper with free will, but works through human hearts to feed the poor ect.
like you said.
if i give a poor dying man a meal, does it merrit for the soul?
peace
Originally posted by lilblam
To say that before anything existed, a God existed, is an oxymoron. Such a statement can neither be understood nor conceived by our minds.
Originally posted by lilblam
So even a God (which is something) could not be produced by nothing. Therefore, if a God came into being, he must have come out of something. The only "something" which exists now and has always existed is that of energy and/or matter.
Originally posted by lilblam
Strike two says, since there was something which must have predated a God,
Originally posted by lilblam
Knowledge and character MUST be developed. It can not be decreed. It can not be magically waved into existence. Knowledge and character is a PRODUCT of life and living. It is a product of making wise and foolish choices. It is a product of growth.
Originally posted by lilblam
That is, the Christians give God a good, moral and powerful character.
Originally posted by lilblam
Therefore, there must have been other individuals and intelligences with whom God could interact in order to develop a good character. There must be at least a family of them.
Originally posted by infovacume
Or so you assume. Your "desire" that whatever was the turnout was GOD, doesn't mean that is what it was. Somehow he doesn't seem to help out all those other people praying to be saved, like the dying in Iraq who're praying to God to make the Americans leave. The Palestinians who want the Jews to stop their genocide campaign against them. The Native Americans who prayed to save them from the BRITISH who invaded and slaughtered them to build this country. The Jews who prayed to be saved from Hitler.
Ummm, Jews doing genocide to the Palestinians? Are you nuts? Come on tell me that was a typo.
Ok , God can not , and will not answer everyones prayers, Iraq for instance, there are people praying that the Americans stay, just as well as Poeple praying they leave. Thats why everything is not answered. Secondly , in my view because I am christian I believe he will only answer prayers, "or mostly" of those who have excepted his son.
Riddle me this, where did the Universe come from, and you better go very far back, because anything you say, I can easily say , "but where did that come from" you will eventua;;y hit a wall , a wall that abruptly tells you something came from nothing. And well , as we all know, sometihing can not come from nothing , therefore leading me to believe in a higher being calked God.
Originally posted by Muaddib
What are thoughts but energy? Anything and everything you think of is energy, this energy permeates the universe and would manifest itself somewhere, if it doesn't already exist. It is also concievable that everything sentient beings think, or believe about, does exists since nothing is ever created or destroyed.
Are thoughts and ideas really our own? or are we tapping some eternal book of knowledge which has all these ideas and thoughts? It is my opinion that it is the second one, but it is "my opinion."
From Dictionary.com
1. God
1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.
om�nip�o�tent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-np-tnt)
adj.
Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful. See Usage Note at infinite.
n.
1. One having unlimited power or authority: the bureaucratic omnipotents.
2. Omnipotent God. Used with the.
om�nis�cient ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-nshnt)
adj.
Having total knowledge; knowing everything: an omniscient deity; the omniscient narrator.
n.
1. One having total knowledge.
2. Omniscient God. Used with the.
Originally posted by lilblam
I'd even say, whenever you find the word "Love" in the Bible replace it with "Knowledge", and suddenly the book begins to make surprising sense.
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by lilblam
I'd even say, whenever you find the word "Love" in the Bible replace it with "Knowledge", and suddenly the book begins to make surprising sense.
I don't agree.
Can you honestly tell me what real "love" is?
I don't believe there are many people in this world who understand what love means. The love that they experience is always tainted with other emotions - need, fear, sorrow, selfishness.
Love can't be compared with knowledge if it isn't understood.
Originally posted by KSoze
If the universe always was and didnt come from anything-thats the same as saying it always existed correct?
Then there must be something outside the universe looking in (at the universe) or else it wouldn't exist.
Originally posted by KSoze
If the universe always was and didnt come from anything-thats the same as saying it always existed correct?
Then there must be something outside the universe looking in (at the universe) or else it wouldn't exist. Something must be observing the universe.
Originally posted by Leveller
I know what you're saying dude. To a certain extent I would agree with you, but I believe that there is a flaw in the argument.
Love and knowledge can't always directly equate because of the fear factor. You may have complete knowledge of something but that doesn't mean that there isn't something within it that you aren't afraid of. Understanding something totally doesn't mean that it isn't a threat to you. You can understand why it is a threat, how to deal with it - everything you need to know about it, but you are still going to be left with fear.
I don't believe that pure love contains fear.
I believe knowledge is a stepping stone to love. It's not the whole answer, which I believe love is.
Now if you'd have said, Truth = Love, maybe I would have agreed with you.