Originally posted by INeedHelp
Well, to be honest, the editor of that magazine and James Dunnigan are stupid. Not only you Dutchmen never won a war against us, but the theory that
the Venezuelans would win is preposterous. How is a conscript military going to win against a professional military?
Because of the sheer geographical realities in play here, the scale is quite evened.
1) 18 F-5s - F-5s are crappy, a few flew to Vietnam 30 years ago and were annihilated
Is this how you gauge military equip?
Good on you mate!
2) 24 Su-30s - anyone remembers the 2001 Paris Plane Show?
Yeah, and then remember Cope India 04,05,06.. Garuda I, II, III and Indradhanush..
Don't know about Venezuelan handling but Mock-not the Su-30MK..
3) 18 F-16s and 15 Mirage Vs against the Dutch AF's 108 F-16s - the Venezuelans are supposed to be militarily powerful?
Yea because they can field their F-16s in the battlespace while we are still debating how the Dutch will be able to field more than a sqn of fighters
in the area.
And that too if they are able to pre-empt an invasion. Otherwise you only have a sqn detachment(10 planes max) for air defence(and this is from
eye-sightings of our Aruban friend hear).
Logic dictates that they won't be able to hold out for long. Not with the Su-30s having R-77AEs etc etc..
But then again; taking nothing away from the Dutch. If they can then good for them and jolly idiotic for the Venzuelans.
W/o Countires like the US and others in the Caribbean offering Airbases in the region, its not possible for the Dutch to exercise air-superiority in
Esp since the islands are 10s of km from Venezuela and 1000s of km from the Netherlands.
Their best bet for that are the De Zeven frigates with that supposedly awesome Thales Smart-L radar.
4) 6 frigates - fine, the Dutch have 9
Like I said the De Zeven frigates(8 of them?) are the best bet for the Dutch in this campaign.
5) 2 German subs - fine, the Dutch have 4
As of now only one operational.. And not sure if its AIP.
Any sources on 4 operational SSKs?
the Argentinians had stupid military commanders
No. They lost because we have a larger, better trained, better equipped military, and even if they defeated the task force we sent, we would nuke
Firstly, no you wouldn't nuke them over the Falklands.
God help Britain if it did.
Gosh you might have even prevented the break-up of the Soviet Union with a move like that!
And secondly; yes you have a better military but you were operating at over 15000km from your own coastlines and even though you are a blue water
force that is something that tends to stretch ones supply routes thin.
I would love to discuss the war; theatre by theatre and point why I think the Argentinians could have better utilised their forces; esp their limited
exocets against the carrier ONLY..
Infact if Argentinians should have done much more to acquire MORE exocets from the markets worldwide.
Also using fighters that were inherently MUCH faster than the Harrier; they should have been more of match. However improper fighter deployment by the
Fueraz D'Argentina and superior training on the part of the RN resulted in
Finally underestimating the British resolve to retake the Islands(and thus not implement Ops to counter the extremely stretched supply routes) was the
undoing of the Argentines..
Remember that song by Evita? "Don't cry for me Argentina"
You guys won hands down; but it was more about the Argies 'losing' than you winning..
But thats another story.
[edit on 22-4-2007 by Daedalus3]