ELF Technology Used to Manipulate Citizens, page 2

Originally posted by Long Lancei interpreted the thread more along the lines of 'possible mind control by radio waves' tbh.

Oh, sorry, wrong replies then.

The whole ELF thing has such a lot of oddball baggage attached it's amazing to me. Especially when the information capacity of the channel is so small.

it seems that way. extreme differences between wavelength and antenna indicate that coupling won't happen, but we have a counterexample on a smaller scale in the shape of microwaves vs. water.

Really, though, it's not an applicable counterexample. The peaks for the mechanical quantum stuff like rotating, rocking, scissoring et al are known, and they all are in the microwave range and up. You can't get that action elsewhere.

how many 'slots' does a human boday have, that's the question. i freely admit that all of this is pure speculation, it's just something i'd look at if i seriously investigated EM interference in humans (not limited to ELF band).

It's more molecular than structural. Given that most of this stuff has peaks all over the IR and microwave range due to the size of the molecular bonds, you're not likely to suddenly find one at 10 Hz.

You've got peaks and valleys in the absorption of radio energy in general, but what's happening when you absorb it is heating. You do have a "window" around 400 MHz, which is one reason they picked that frequency for the all-time classic "microwave-to-head" experiments.

it shows that 'mind control' by direct stimulation is possible. a radio signal wouldn't have the luxury of direct contacts and would therefore affect the whole body, which would greatly limit selectivity. as long as EM immissions cause miniscule current distributions and as long as currents are capable of influencing the neural systems, the existance of a mechanism is still possible, however.

The skin effect sort of limits the penetration. Most radio has hell's own path loss in your body due to you being a sack of electrolytes, which absorbs the e-field component as heat. That's why implants tend to be H-field. Also, miniscule is the word, most RF would be less than a milliwatt at skin level, and you still have to couple it to you efficiently, more loss. Below a certain level it doesn't have much effect on neurons, your system has so much noise it has to filter out small junk anyway.

i started out with the auditory effect because it's obvious how it could be used to control people (provided a discernible voice sensation can be induced and as long as they actually listen to what the voice says and don't know of the microwave auditory effect). now, if 'brainport' actually generates a visual sensation in a person, it would clearly show that senses can be tricked in various ways and while remotely transmitting complex pictures are probably out of the question, inducing a feeling has got to be much simpler. i have no personal experience with brainport and if they were using misleading advertising, though. might as well only tickle your tongue, i dunno.

A lot of it with remapping devices like brainport is that you have to TRY to perceive it that way, and train for it. Otherwise you'd be seeing phantoms from your clothes touching you. The effort is a part of it, apparently you don't tend to remap well if you don't want it. There were a lot of tests, for example, with inverting people's visual fields with prisms, if you didn't work at it, you would have a much longer duration before you could see normally again.

What I thought was interesting was that someone did a tactile device with a flux gate compass and rigged a group of people to know which way was north. Shortly after you got it, you quit paying it conscious attention, but when it was removed, the people were very disoriented and wanted it back.

regarding low bandwith: what about ON = complacent and OFF = rebellious? or vice versa?

Given that an ELF signal would be down to nanowatts when it got to you, and you don't really interact with it anyway, it seems moot. What is the mechanism of making you complacent or whatever? Do you think people become violent, sleepy, aggressive et al when lightning strikes nearby? That's a MUCH larger signal, and a shotgun of frequencies to boot.

I guess what's funny is the people that think you can send high-def color movies over ELF. To single targets.

so how much does it take to demodulate, say an AM signal????

It takes a non-linear function, typically a semiconductor junction - you have to multiply the sidebands and the carrier together to recover the original audio. You can use a multiplier but a diode junction "exposes" a multiplication in its I-V curve.

it's unfortunately true that far too many are probably just delusional or mislead. i only hope i'm not one of them.

PS: if 'mind control' or EM harassment are real i'm almost 100% positive these techniques require quite intense power settings.

There are a lot of ways to get tinnitus from medications you had ONCE, from inner ear infections, narrowings in your Eustachean tubes, middle ear infections, mastoid sinus infections, Meniere's, taking too much Pepto-Bismol, aspirin, you name it.

However, all the "voice to skull" research that I've read, mostly the original stuff, you have to have such a high power density that it's actually out of range for what you're allowed to test on military, they have to get waivers.