First hand account from one DAMN lucky Virginia Tech student! Questions regarding the official story

Originally posted by Rockpuck
He was a loner though, apparently not a single friend, and from his room mates accounts he wouldn't have wanted help anyways..

Don't you find it strange that they almost invariably label people who do things like this as being "loners?" I do.

Hell, they have this whole guy's life story less than 48 hours after the incident. How very Lee Harvey Oswald of them.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
Hell, they have this whole guy's life story less than 48 hours after the incident. How very Lee Harvey Oswald of them.

Peace

Well, you can't really hide from big brother. I tell you what happened to me and my roommate. He went to an automotive store and ordered an automotive book. The lady at the counter asked him what his cell phone number was and she typed it into the computer. She said is, "Blah,Blah your name?" I lookd at him, he looked at me. Then he turned to the lady and asked, "How the hell did you know that?" I smiled and said, "You can't hide from dear ol' big brother, my friend."

[edit on 18-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

I go to college in VA and a girl two doors down the hall from my dorm room lost her cousin in the classroom shooting. Her cousin's dad got interviewed on CNN on Tuesday. Its really really a sad thing, but I don't really think there is a conspiracy behind this. Think about it...who would benefit from this? There is no insurance money, political gain to be made, or assassination targets in the victim list. This isn't like 9/11 or the war in Iraq or anything to that extent.

Where these people shot at 0 range?
Otherwise There is no way that a .22 LR was this effective...unless it was a .22 Magnum, then I don't believe it...

Yes, .22 can have a very fast velocity, but they offer very little penetration, especially where bone is concerned, ask any amateur shooter/hunter how many times they have seen deflections from these.

Also, there are 30+ round magazines available for Glocks.

One thing I noticed, is that almost all the described multi wound injuries seemed to have a pretty good graduating rise of zone during the rate of fire, only seems odd to me as a .22 offers very little kick, but a larger bore would...

i didn't realize the "smell of death" had such an immediate scent to it. we're talking seconds here if not a minute or two and he is recalling the stench of death. crazy.

Think about it...who would benefit from this? There is no insurance money, political gain to be made, or assassination targets in the victim list. This isn't like 9/11 or the war in Iraq or anything to that extent.

Oh, there is very much political gain. The anti-gun lobby will have a field day off of this. It has already started. Hell, in an interview with George Bush yesterday a reporter asked him, "What are we going to do about these guns?" Give people time to recover from the shock for God's sake!!

[edit on 18-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips
i didn't realize the "smell of death" had such an immediate scent to it. we're talking seconds here if not a minute or two and he is recalling the stench of death. crazy.

Blood has a very real odor to it.

Sorry about your friend's loss.

As was proposed by John Lear, and to a less educated extent, myself, it could be meant to cause a diversion. It could be meant to initiate a problem-reaction-solution scenario carried out by the NWO to begin to try and disarm the American public.

Mind control and programming is a very real (IMO) and usefool tool.

Peace

Originally posted by steve22
I go to college in VA and a girl two doors down the hall from my dorm room lost her cousin in the classroom shooting. Her cousin's dad got interviewed on CNN on Tuesday. Its really really a sad thing, but I don't really think there is a conspiracy behind this. Think about it...who would benefit from this? There is no insurance money, political gain to be made, or assassination targets in the victim list. This isn't like 9/11 or the war in Iraq or anything to that extent.

the NWO. one thing is the world is scorning America for its' gun laws. if those right to bear arms go away, Americans are just like the other people around the globe, armless. i would reckon that a nation full of gun toting citizens would be much more difficult to coral than a bunch of daisy picking hippies from the alps.

The investigators are not going to release information immediately. They will be asking all the same questions that we are.

The guy obviously had some form of personality disorder - he had stalked two women prior to this incident and had spent time in a mental institution . What has caused this disorder is open to debate. I would guess that he may have expected to feel better about himself after the first shooting, more powerful, more in control of 'life'. That there was a two hour interval is remarkable as there had been witnesses, it was reported etc. I have never come across a mass murderer to do 'get away' with something like this - not without there being some stand-off or seige situation. I find that aspect particularly interesting and I'll be interested to see how that is explained.

He basically had two hours to cool off - it could indicate severe psychosis but if he was at some point in a mental institute this would show up I think.
The letter should help out too. Where was he, what was he doing during that time?

The guy in the clip seems sedated to me - big pupils, I have no idea how I would be in that situation and touch wood I never will. It is too awful for words. I will never forget Columbine, that shook me to the core, that kids can be so disconnected from life that they cannot see beyond high-school - less than a year and they'd never have had to see those people ever again. It is bleak. I hope that they can resolve this case and that those who have been affected find the strength to go forward.

These are called black-ops, psy-ops, whatever you want to call them. This stuff really goes on IMO. After 9/11 and Oklahoma and Kennedy and Iraq and RFK and so on, I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that something so secretive actually goes on. Mind controlled assassins and patsies are real. The fact of the matter is that the organizations who are behind these kind of incidents can't count on these things happening in the natural when they need them, so they are forced to create them.

Peace

[edit on 18-4-2007 by Dr Love]

that survivor and the others in the classrooms and stairwells are going to have a tough road from here on out. good luck to them.

The .22 caliber handgun is a favoured weapon of professional assassins and serial killers because of the following:
1) Ballistics are damn hard to determine due to the mutilation of the round after it is recovered.

2) Its report is very low compared to other calibers.

3) It has enough power to enter but not leave, bouncing off bone and all but stopping passing through hard tissue matter. That is why rounds like that are used in execution-style headshots, where the bullet enters but careens off the inside of the skull until the brain has been traversed several times, virtually guaranteeing death. Hence why TRAINED killers use it so effectively. A person can be hit with 3-4 rounds of a .22 in the midsection and keep on coming, making it not an effective weapon of choice in that particular massacre. Those in the school would have had to have been theoretically drugged or similarly incapacitated to have someone go from one to the next executing people with headshots and no one rush the #er and make him eat it. Even a professional killer would have a have an impossible time trying to pull off a stunt like that down.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Think about it...who would benefit from this? There is no insurance money, political gain to be made, or assassination targets in the victim list. This isn't like 9/11 or the war in Iraq or anything to that extent.

Oh, there is very much political gain. The anti-gun lobby will have a field day off of this. It has already started. Hell, in an interview with George Bush yesterday a reporter asked him, "What are we going to do about these guns?" Give people time to recover from the shock for God's sake!!

[edit on 18-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

SO .. you are saying that this is a LIBERAL conspiracy?

Bush for all his faults is a hardcore gun supporter. Openly. Nothing will change that..

From the sounds of it, he was shooting people from pretty much point blank.

The confusion over gun amounts it's most likely due to the media reporting 'what they've heard' before what's been confirmed.

Occams razor tells me no conspiracy.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
The investigators are not going to release information immediately. They will be asking all the same questions that we are.

The guy obviously had some form of personality disorder - he had stalked two women prior to this incident and had spent time in a mental institution . What has caused this disorder is open to debate. I would guess that he may have expected to feel better about himself after the first shooting, more powerful, more in control of 'life'. That there was a two hour interval is remarkable as there had been witnesses, it was reported etc. I have never come across a mass murderer to do 'get away' with something like this - not without there being some stand-off or seige situation. I find that aspect particularly interesting and I'll be interested to see how that is explained.

He basically had two hours to cool off - it could indicate severe psychosis but if he was at some point in a mental institute this would show up I think.
The letter should help out too. Where was he, what was he doing during that time?

The guy in the clip seems sedated to me - big pupils, I have no idea how I would be in that situation and touch wood I never will. It is too awful for words. I will never forget Columbine, that shook me to the core, that kids can be so disconnected from life that they cannot see beyond high-school - less than a year and they'd never have had to see those people ever again. It is bleak. I hope that they can resolve this case and that those who have been affected find the strength to go forward.

Was there any mention of him having any pshycotropic drugs in his past? (Prozac, Ritalin etc) I bet there is. All the "signs" they are referring to this kid as displaying are classic text book of reaction to these pshycotropes.
There are thousands of time bombs in this country. Columbine and the previous are just the early bloomers. This type of thing is going to increase exponentially. These drugs are driving these kids batty and they are reacting to pre-programmed cues. We haven't seen the last of it.
Call it black-ops if you want. The powers that be knew what these things would doand have done nothing to prevent it, take these drugs off the market or make the public aware of the dangers.

Everything you believe to be true is a lie.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

SO .. you are saying that this is a LIBERAL conspiracy?

You laugh as if you think "Liberals" are all of good intent... You have much to learn. Much to learn if that is indeed the case. Most of todays' "liberals" are not liberals at all, but socialists... Look up Traditional liberalism someday and compare it to modern day "liberalism" and you will find that there is little similarity.

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[edit on 18-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by Rockpuck
He was a loner though, apparently not a single friend, and from his room mates accounts he wouldn't have wanted help anyways..

Don't you find it strange that they almost invariably label people who do things like this as being "loners?" I do.

that's incredibly strange. it's what they label him from london to tehran because this is what the American media first labeled him. i don't blame him for not hanging out with some people at the University. many of them are there for the party instead of the education. clearly they fumbled his mental treatment in the past so now they are just coming out with name-calling. he's not a loner, he's a nut. he was mentally ill and dozens of people knew it. from his fellow students to his parents to his professors. and the police jumped to conclusions after the first shooting assuming the victim's boyfriend did it. that was quite the conclusion they jumped to because if they took a more cautious approach they may have been able to save 31 lives that were taken 2+ hours after the initial on campus homicides.

Speeker....

Common....

Honestly....

I KNOW you know ME man...

So I will NOT even spare my dignity to respond to what you just said..