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Originally posted by Columbus
In mathematics, the last significant figure of pi is undefined. It does not exist. It is not 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9.
Mathematics defines that 0.99999999... with an infinite series of nines is exactly equal to 1. The last significant figure of 0.999999... is undefined, it is not 9. This seems counterintuitive, but it is mathematically proven.
1/3 = 0.3333...
3 * 1/3 = 1
3 * 0.333... = 0.999...
0.999... = 1
Simple. And for the same reason, an infinite god cannot exist.
Originally posted by ben91069
Ummmmm. Isn't this argument similar to the whole God/No God debate?
You cannot simply come to the millionth significant figure and say "well I haven't found it yet so it is therefore undefined and cannot exist". I assure you that every significant figure of pi exists even after you give up on calculating its exact value and it is 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9.
Sorry, 1 in math is always equal to 1 and not anything smaller or larger.
Sheeeesh, atheists are lazy in there calculations.
You did not carry out your significant figures to infinity to get the exact value.
You are merely rounding something to the significant figure you are choosing.
If you were a machinist, I would hate to see you measure the flatness of a granite surface plate converting millionths of an inch to fractions and using your significant figures so loosely.
There are also an infinite amount of fractions as well as decimals.
Another reason that infinity does exist is because in counting numbers can continue + or - forever. No one can say that at some point they stop because it is undefined. Tell me at what point after a certain number in a series is undefined and I will concede that there is no such thing as infinity.
Originally posted by Columbus
Put it this way, counting to infinity is counting that will NEVER end. If you look for WMD forever and NEVER find them, you must concede that they do not exist. Iraq is not even an infinite place, but by your logic the WMD must exist even if you never find them.
Put it this way, counting to infinity is counting that will NEVER end. If you look for WMD forever and NEVER find them, you must concede that they do not exist. Iraq is not even an infinite place, but by your logic the WMD must exist even if you never find them.
Originally posted by Columbus
Eternal is infinite time. Infinite is not real. See the problem? See the problem? See the problem?
Originally posted by ben91069
Well, I understand the premise of your argument C, but as long as you theoretically do something forever and never find it, you are in fact doing something eternally. You are trying to disprove infinity and I am doing the opposite, but neither of us can be right because by definition we both must define the term infinity to be able to say where it begins and ends. Do you understand this?
You say, one cannot find it because it never ends, and I say you can find it because it never ends. We are like polar opposites when it comes to this.
I define it as being real because I suppose I know it exists, yet I cannot measure it.
Arguing the points do not convince anyone because it is just a matter of faith, which is something no one but the individual can account for.
...but evil itself is the statement by the image of the beast that the world is fighting armageddon, but that is another story.
I guess you will have to just admit that finite time can exist within infinity but infinity cannot exist if there is just finite time.
Why not just hope for the best Columbus instead of being a party pooper?
The least common denominator is that if you are right then you have gained nothing but a short meager existence, and if I am right then your existence is eternal.
Originally posted by Columbus
Here's another example...
1/7 = 0.142857...
There is no 0,3,6, or 9 in the repeating decimal. IF the last significant digit exists it must be 1, 4 ,2, 8, 5, or 7. Which is it? The answer is NONE OF THEM because the last significant digit does not exist. Period.
Originally posted by ben91069
You say, one cannot find it because it never ends, and I say you can find it because it never ends. We are like polar opposites when it comes to this.
Originally posted by ben91069
When you see that this idea is plausible, you will see why people can have faith without proof. As long as something is possible, it cannot be totally discarded.
Originally posted by ben91069
The last significant digit does not exist because there are infinite significant digits depending on the level of precision you choose.
You have proven infinity concept by saying it has no last significant figure.
Significant digits are for convenience when dealing with large numbers in cases where it is not necessary to calculate to high levels of precision.
By this proof, infinity does exist, just not provable.
You seem intelligent enough to see that math states that infinity can exist but it is not provable because it is a concept and not a tangible thing that one can count.
...why people can have faith without proof.
You are talking about the very paradox that is essentially the division between the physical and spiritual realms.