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Rapture Cons

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posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 06:17 AM
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Has anyone heard of any Rapture tricks/cons going about? I.e. give me all your money or do this crime it is okay the rapture is tomorrow so you don't need it :-) !!

Thanks,




posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 11:59 PM
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What exactly do you mean?

Is this an email hoax or something?

There will be no RAPTURE!

helen....

Happy new year!



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by helen670
What exactly do you mean?

Is this an email hoax or something?

There will be no RAPTURE!

helen....

Happy new year!


I have to say, I surprised to hear that from you, helen.

As for rapture cons, nope, heard of nothing like that...Erm, someone's throwing something at my second story windows, I gotta stop typing (boy am I addicted) and find out what's going on...

lol damn kids....

[Edited on 1-1-2004 by junglejake]



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:04 AM
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the rapture is happing tommorrow send me your money, you wont need it , so I can save those left behind



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk
the rapture is happing tommorrow send me your money, you wont need it , so I can save those left behind


heh, if you were so concerned by those left behind, you wouldn't be left behind...



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk
the rapture is happing tommorrow send me your money, you wont need it , so I can save those left behind


Why the does everyone feel the need to ridicule Christians for their beliefs? I dont go out of my way to rag on homosexuals for buggering each other. Or go out of my way to tell a Muslim if he doesnt except Christ hes going to hell. Religion and sin are between you and the lord not all Christians go around judging people! Not all Christians are gullible either I know you meant this comment as a joke but please understand in a way its hurtful and very old.


[Edited on 1-1-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:11 AM
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hey its New Years just kidding guys

but if you think I am serious you can send me the cash u2u me for the address



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
Why the does everyone feel the need to ridicule Christians for their beliefs? I dont go out of my way to rag on homosexuals for buggering each other. Or go out of my way to tell a Muslim if he doesnt except Christ hes going to hell. Religion and sin are between you and the lord not all Christians go around judging people! So please stop judging them. Its like saying all Blacks and Mexicans are criminals.


Matthew 13:13: ..."Though seeing, they do not see; thought hearing, they do not hear or understand."

If I knew Isaiah well enough, I would have quoted that, but I had to take a segment of Matthew, instead.

People who refuse to see, see it mearly as foolishness to see. Though they hear, it is still the unknown, they don't understand. And it seems to be human nature to attack the unknown. Therefore, in people like Amuk's eyes, it's perfectly justified to attack a group of people. It's not prejudice, in their eyes, it's making fun of something they don't understand. It's actually kind of sad, and I hope that Amok and others like him/her will one day realize the folly of their ways...



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:19 AM
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This isn't a conspiracy, its a greed trick! This sounds like an email hoax does it not, why? Because IT IS! lol..if you receive something like this and believe it, you are one of the most gullible people alive, I must say.

Today is 12/31/03, tomorrow is 1/1/04, and the next is 1/2/04, there isn't a rapture coming, well not yet anyways


-wD



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:21 AM
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It's actually kind of sad, and I hope that Amok and others like him/her will one day realize the folly of their ways...


I see the light praise the lord



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:23 AM
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It's actually kind of sad, and I hope that Amok and others like him/her will one day realize the folly of their ways...


Its AMUK not amok learn to spell



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:25 AM
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I aint got nothing against yall I was just yanking your chain happy new year



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:32 AM
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Hi junglejake!

''Happy New year"

Well, I'm assuming that you are suprised that I dont believe in the ''Rapture''
Yes, I dont because it is a ''NEW Teaching'' nothing of what the early fathers of the one true church believed or taught!

Quote//The Rapture doctrine,
which was the invention of the Plymouth Brethren led by John Nelson Darby (1800-1882),
has today been adopted by most Baptist,
Pentecostals,
Assemblies of God,
and a variety of other fundamentalist sects.
The idea that Jesus Christ will return for His true Church just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation in a secret gathering or "catching away" was an important part of Darby's teaching.
The movement in which this teaching began originated in small groups in England and Ireland about 1828 and by 1831 was part of the official teaching of the Plymouth Brethren.
By 1860 the "rapture" had made its way to the United States...
www.onearthasinheaven.com...


Perhaps the most vivid picture of our Lord's 2nd coming to earth is found in the words of St. John the Apostle.

In the book of Revelation he writes: "Behold, He cometh with clouds and every eye shall see Him,
and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him.
Even so, amen (Revelation 1:7)".
Far from believing that the Lord will return "secretly" to rapture the Church 7 years before His 2nd coming,

St. John says that every human being on earth will see the Lord descend from the clouds.
Once again,
here are the words of the Nicene Creed,

the symbol and statement of faith for all Christians: "He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kindgom shall have no end."

The 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ shall be in glory,
not in secret.
Then the Prince of Peace shall establish true peace,
joy,
and righteousness on the earth; "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea (Habakkuk 2:14)".

Finally, the Rapture doctrine is dangerous because it teaches Christians that they will be spared all tribulation,
wrath,
and danger in the last days.
The need for urgent preparation of one's heart and soul is diminished because Christians will be secretly taken away from all that pain.
No need to worry,
we'll just fly away.
Unlike the Early Christians,
most of whom were murdered by this world's authorities,
the end-time Christians have a get-out-of-tribulation free card called the Rapture.
Remember the words of St. Paul,

"All those who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution (2 Timothy 2:12)."
And lastly,
the words of the Lord in John 16:33,

"These things I have spoken unto you,
that in Me you might have peace.
In the world you shall have tribulation,
but be of good cheer,
I have overcome the world."

helen...



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:41 AM
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And a good book to read is ....
A Rumor of War: Christs Millennial Reign and the Rapture of His Church
by Authors: Dennis Eugene Engleman

and another great book is ..

Ultimate Things: An Orthodox Christian Perspective on the End Times
by Authors: Dennis Eugene Engleman

The book has many teachings on the end of times.......traditional prophetic writings of the Church Fathers as well as from Sacred Scripture,
in particular the writings of the prophets and the Books of Daniel and Revelation,
It does have some references to "apocryphal" texts such as the Gospel of Nicodemus and the Apocalypse of Elijah. _Ultimate Things_ is written as a response to the pre-tribulation rapture propaganda so widespread in the Christian churches in America today.

The question is what did the ancient Fathers of the Church understand and teach of the coming of the Antichrist?
How does it differ from modern day interpretations?
A key discrepancy is of the idea of suffering for Christ in the Church.
helen....



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:46 AM
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I'm going to have to get back to you, Helen. At the church I'm going to, we're going through revelations currently, and our pastor has made some very convincing arguements about the rapture. I can state a few, but can't quote off the top of my head, because a lot of her references came from the Old Testament, which I don't know so well, and from (obviously) Revelations, which I also don't know all that well. (Hehe, though it was the cause I bought my first Bible, I ended up turning to Matthew, got converted, and continued with the gospels and the beginning of the Tora. NEver really got into Revelations after I was saved until just recently after going over it so much in church
)

EDIT:
Dang, forgot the examples! For one, it says in Revelations (I think that's where this is) followers of Christ will be taken up without pain. Also there is a passage in Revelations 12:

"A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head (The Jews, from what I've learned, where the 12 stars symbolize the 12 tribes of Isreal).

2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. (The Jews gave birth to Christianity, and the Israli nation cried out in pain, so to speak, as it was torn apart on the issue of the Messiah)

3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his head. (The 7 kingdoms of earth? Not the Anti-Christ, because that dragon has the wound in it's head.)

4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. (Although this could apply to the days when Christianity was first budding, and fighting Nero and Rome, many Biblical prophecies seem to have duel meanings, especially those coming out of the Tora. They applied to the current time, and the time of the First coming. The other meaning, I think, is more current. America is going through a Christian rebirth. The silent little lambs among the pain are starting to come out of the woodwork and be silent no longer. The church is being born again, and groups are trying to keep it from ever happening. I think we are just witnessing the begining of this, and it will flourish in years or months to come.)

5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. (Not gold, not silver, but iron, a symbol of humility. A foreshadowing of Jesus's second coming, because he rides in on the clouds, as you said. This is probably the true church. The second true chruch, who follows the Bible, and not the doctrines of religious sects created by man.) And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. (Rapture?)

6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days (Jordan, from out of Isreal?).

7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. (Obviously, the dragon, Satan, hasn't come to earth yet. The appocalypse hasn't begun here on earth yet, just in heaven.)

8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.

9 The great dragon was hurled down -- that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (This is the beginning of the end...)

10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; (This implies that the brothers, the christians, have already overcome the devil. He's been hurled down.

11 They have overcame him by the blood of the Lamb.) they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. (I need to look into this. It could imply not the rapture we expected, but something along the lines of the inquisition where either you convert to the world's religion, or you die. A bullet to the brain probably doesn't hurt too much...)

12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dewll in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short. (It's fun entering a war where you you already know you win
)

And thus the appocalypse begins. Somehow, the believers are already triumphant. There is a passage in the gospels that I can't find right now about woe to you that is with child or must run on the sabbath when the time comes that implies that it is the Jews, having to worry about the sabbath, that are doing the running from AntiChrist, not the Christians...Retort?


[Edited on 1-1-2004 by junglejake]



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