Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting, page 39
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reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 04:00 PM by AlexDJ
Well like i said before and like i sustaine right now..the VT guys and the Police chief did a very poor job on handling the situation after the first killings, yes maybe they dont have any guilt of what happen next the first killings..but dont everybody thinks that any murder inside a university or school would make you stop the classes..whatever if its a private dispute or some killer out there?..they already have problems in that university before when one killer scaped and kill some police officer in the school, you have columbine muerders, what elses does a common sense guy need to do something about it??? another mass killing?.

After i saw some of the round press the vt and police chief held i saw their faces real sweating and nervouse..they know they made a mistake and big time for not cancelling classes when there was still time. The only explanation i want to think about it why they didnt do this was because the university prestigee, yeah university with high degree of wanna be the best school..wants to have a great prestigee, they didnt say about the first murders because they were afraid of loosing this, that's why they didnt do a heck of a thing and treath like a domestic thing lock down the dormetory make some investigation and maybe 1 or 2 days later students will find out a murder happen on their school, time pass and everybody wpuld forget about it..the problem was that it all points that was the same guy...... sad but true
What else does a university of school need to cancell classes inmediatly??? a murder is not that kind of necessity?? then what else .....?/


I will sustaine this point....i am not against banning the guns...


reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 05:29 PM by el_madmaster
www.cnn.com...

Gun control will indeed be tough, according to CNN "John Markell said Cho Seung-Hui was very low-key when he purchased the gun and 50 rounds of ammunition with a credit card in an "unremarkable" purchase.


Cho presented three forms of identification and state police conducted an instant background check that probably took about a minute, the store owner said".

Sounded fairly easy to get the gun, and as is the case in many of these people, sounds like he had a clean record. If we were to REALLY be stringent on gun control, they could do some kind of waiting period in each state that maybe requires authorities to find people around the buyer- job employers, teachers, parents, relatives, w/e, and find out if the buyer was good enough to get a gun. This could be in addition to background checks. Though time consuming, it could just prevent potential murderers from easily getting them. Heck, the waiting period could just change their mind if they had a reason to kill someone.

As many outsiders know and will come to know - Yes this country does has some sort of obsession with guns. What is it? They're just devices that are really based on technology hundreds of years old that fire metal projectiles at things. Whether it be useful purposes like rifles shooting deer, or when being used by those people you see on youtube firing 2 full auto glock 18Cs, 50 caliber desert eagles, AK-47s, and such; we definately love our guns.

Anyone here been to a gun show? I saw the suncoast gun show last year in Fort Myers and I kid you not - there were at least 500 AK-47s starting from 300 dollars. Steyr AUGs, P90s, FN Minimis, etc. Dunno if they were all semi auto or not. What really got me was the fact that an an RPG-7 was on sale. Who in their right mind needs an RPG-7 one might ask? I suppose going out on your massive amount of land and blowing away an inanimate object for large sums of money is money well spent ...

No matter which forum it is on here you always gotta see the typical "we're Americans and we are always right and we're above international standards" arrogance. So many cases that one joke comes to my head "arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded...".

I'm all for people owning guns. But with some more time, money, and regulations, the VT incident could have been prevented.


reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 05:38 PM by Shar

i.a.cnn.net...



This is the warrent and what they found in his room. Explosive devices. Was one of the items metioned. This guy was indeed a murderer. Looks like he was planning something for a while. Not just a spare of the moment.


reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 05:40 PM by Odium
Originally posted by infinite
we had one school shooting in the United Kingdom, back in 1996...we have a right to bear arms under our Bill of Rights 1689...but you what we did? restricted the sell of firearms and even banned certain types. No school shooting since.


That is hardly a sound theory.

By your logic, thanks to us "banning" something it would stop.

Carrying a knife, banned and people still get stabbed. So on and so fourth. Ever thought it might be down to social problems? Look at the high rate of firearms in Switzerland and Finland and their amount of School Shootings.

What about the man using a machete? They were also banned from being carried around and he was still there. You sure it isn't about people having an option (weapon being there) and using it? Do you honestly think he'd have not have done this with explosives, a knife, etc, if he really wanted to do it?

-To the main topic-

It is a sad thing that happened, but it will happen. There's no way to fully remove guns and due to this people will die in such shocking instances. The problem I see is one of Social Issues, how many of these kids were:
Loners.
Bullied.
(Need I go on?)

That have done the school shootings? There tends to be reasons to drive someone who is still in the early stages of life (the latest being 23) to do such an action. It is a real shame, it is one that won't go away and I hope the families are able to one-day get over this.

However we should be thankful it is only 19 times in 10 years, with a population of over 260 million and over 100 million firearms. When looked at like that all in all it isn't bad. But more needs to be done, more security at Universities and Schools would be a start - even if we end up having to use metal detectors.


reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 05:44 PM by Justin Oldham
It's true that the Va. Tech shootings will re-ignite the gun control debete. As a known second amendment advocate, I can tell you that I'm quite busy just now answering to the "charges" of over-zealous proponents of extreme government intrusion. I hope to have new essays in my Conspiracy Master forum by some time tomorrow.

The "real conversation" we need to be having just now relates to violence. In today's world, we have been conditioned to capitulate until official help arrives. the very idea is just running away or locking a door is seen as too provocotive by our politicians.

For the time being...government storm troopers can't be everywhere. At this very moment in time, there aren't enough surveillance grids in place to give Bib Brother the all-seeing eye that "they" would need to respond in a crisis like what we just lived through.

Every time we get conned in to accepting new legislation designed to protect us, get get a shock when the next crisis unfolds. Seems that there will always be just a little more legislation that "could have protected us." That's what they will tell us.

We don't all of us have to be packing heat. We do, all of us, have an obligation to be "real" abuout our own safety and social responsibilities. Nobody without a lot of brass...or training...was going to stop this guy with a chair and a rucksack and a stick of gum. As our politicians scramble to make the most of this "opportunity,' we should be getting our witts about us to prevent them exploiting this tragedy for their benefit...and...our future peril.


reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 05:53 PM by makeitso
Originally posted by Shar

i.a.cnn.net...



This is the warrent and what they found in his room. Explosive devices. Was one of the items metioned. This guy was indeed a murderer. Looks like he was planning something for a while. Not just a spare of the moment.


Thank you Shar

So its true. They did find a bomb threat note by the shooters body.

Something larger than gun control seems to be going on?
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