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reply posted on 6-2-2008 @ 12:36 PM by reluctantpawn
reply to post by grover



You may be right on all counts. I too feel that the public at large is fed up with those in power and are looking for a change. This is coming from an angry right wing christian male. I am sure that I am not the only one.

respectfully

reluctantpawn



reply posted on 6-2-2008 @ 07:32 PM by resistor
reply to post by The Vagabond



The thing I found most interesting about the vid was the surprise that TK showed. He didn't seem to expect that question, and most MSM talking heads stick to the talking points these days.

Originally posted by reluctantpawn
I believe that if he were to claim the nomination and or even get elected his running mate would be Hillary. Why. The two of them might be near unstoppable. After the election we would see the assassination with Bill appointed as V.P.


That very thought occurred to me not long after seeing the TK interview.

Originally posted by grover
My feeling is that on the Democratic side it will either be Obama/Edwards or Clinton/Edwards... I doubt seriously that the ticket will include both Obama and Clinton regardless of the configuration.


I have to disagree. I think that Hillary will be on the D ticket somewhere, in all probability as the nominee. It'll be Clinton/Edwards, and you can name your own odds.


reply posted on 7-2-2008 @ 08:02 AM by grover
reply to post by resistor



I don't see how you disagree other than I think it could be either Clinton/Edwards OR Obama/Edwards but not Clinton/Obama or vice a versa. Though personally the both of them together would be the most formidable team.


reply posted on 7-2-2008 @ 11:37 PM by cbianchi513
Originally posted by projectvxn
Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Pardon my ignorance but isnt Obama Muslim? Sorry but Ive lost interest in our politics but i know this, America will never elect a muslim for president. Just the way it is


No Obama is NOT Muslim. Pay more attention. This is your country too and it is that kind of attitude that gets people like Bush into office.


Don't know if it's been posted or not, just wanted to expound a bit... pardon if it's been mentioned.
To the best of my understanding, Barack Hussein Obama claims(emphasis added)to be a practising Christian. Fact is that that he lived four years as a youth in a muslim country, and attended school (muslim) while there.
Be careful about how you bandy about words like "never" or "always". Those words are nothing but trouble...

At any rate, how am I batting on that first paragraph? I guess I need to find a link...


Took awhile: here they are.
First one supports my above statement...
www.insightmag.com...
(Note Hillary in the headline, a sign of bias? We'll see.)

Next we have a (CNN) vehement denial of fundamentalistmuslim schooling...
www.cnn.com...
(This one, coincidentally, DIRECTLY contradicts/corrrects the previous link)

Finally, what the heck??? 2 years muslim, 2 years parochial?...
thinkprogress.org...
(Kind of a more balanced interpretation of the Fox News report... I especially like the part about "no angels decending". Lends a real personal touch)

I usually don't put links in, so use 'em. Interpretations/opinions welcomed. Is he muslim? Catholic?

Lutheren?

Definitely not Jewish.


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reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 08:08 AM by Rasputin13
Obviously if Obama is assassinated, it will not be at the hands of the KKK. I think people are giving that group far too much credit. At this point they are extremely insignificant, especially compared to what they were in the past. I don't think they have the capability to kill someone like Obama, at least no more a capability than any other fringe hate group.

Of course I could definitely see a group like the KKK being framed for assassinating Obama. They could finger a McVeigh-type character who has connections to, or is a member of, the KKK. But it will really be the powers-that-be who carry out the killing.

And while Obama is incredibly popular right now and is raising a crap load of money, I would not for a second count Hillary out. The Clintons are far too manipulative and calculating to lose the nomination. They are probably just letting Obama peak now so that he fizzes out before the nomination is made this summer. The Clinton's always have something up their sleeves, and Hillary is not about to roll over and let Obama take the Democratic spot.

Personally, I have no problem electing an African American as president. But I'm not going to vote for a guy because of the color of his skin and overlook his shortcomings or inexperience. I don't want change just for the sake of change- especially during a time of war. While I think Obama is extremely intelligent and talented, and could very well someday make a great president, I feel that at this point he doesn't have enough experience under his belt. I think he might be better served as the VP candidate on a Hillary-for-president ticket. That would allow him to then be a more viable candidate after (and if) Hillary is elected to two terms.

So I don't think it will come as shocking to anyone when I say that I will not be voting for Clinton or Obama, or any combination of the two. Although I am not high on John McCain, I prefer him over an inexperienced candidate like Obama. And I'll take just about anyone over a Clinton!!! She is just too cold and calculating for my taste, aside from the fact that I disagree with her on a lot of issues- mainly withdrawing troops.

So, back to the topic at hand... The thought of Obama being assassinated is something that I think has ran through a lot of people's minds. After all, there has never been a African American candidate with a better chance of becoming president than Obama.

But there's something that has actually been on my mind a lot lately regarding Obama. And it's not the thought of him being killed. It's actually my suspicions that he is the Anti-Christ!! But that's another post for another day!


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 08:28 AM by grover
reply to post by cbianchi513



What a load of crap... the man was a child at the time. Get over it and stop spouting right wing propaganda.

Besides all that even if he was Muslim, it is hateful at best to suggest that because he was that he would be a bad president or sell us out somehow.

Grow up.

P.S. As a matter of note Hussien is a common name in north Africa and the middle east and is used by Muslim and Christian alike.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by grover]


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 09:51 AM by manticore
I've had the same thoughts, as many, for a while. This is starting to look a bit like the 1980 elections. George H.W. Bush lost the nomination. Ronald Reagan won the presidency. Through plenty of pressure, Ronald Reagan had to choose Bush Sr. as vice president. In March 1981, there was an attempt to assassinate Reagan. If Reagan had died, Bush would have become president, only three months after the general election.

Now, let's look at some facts the population doesn't talk about. John Hinkley was the man who attempted on Reagan's life. John Hinkley's brother was to have dinner with Neil Bush (the vice president's son) the night before the attempt. John Hinkley's father (John Hinkley Sr) was a long-time friend and political contributor of the Bush family. Connect the dots here.

They say history repeats itself. Knowing what we all know about the Clintons, do you really think they will let the opportunity for Hillary to become president slip by? When I say they, I speak of more than the Clintons. These are the two scenarios as I see them:

1. Obama gets the nomination and is pressured (intimidated, rather) to choose Hillary Clinton as his running mate. Shortly after he is elected he is murdered (there are so many patsies to be considered out there), then Hillary takes over.

2. Hillary wins the presidency (with Diebold around, anything is possible - look at the last two elections as confirmation), she chooses Obama. In reality, Obama would just be a vote magnet for Hillary, as Bill Clinton would be the actual "consiglieri" for Hillary.

Either way Hillary wins. Let's not discount the "an attack on US soil" before the election, which may catapult McCain to president, since democrats are supposedly soft on defense.

What do you think?

[edit on 8-2-2008 by manticore]


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 10:00 AM by lifestudent
reply to post by manticore



Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of truth in your post.


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 11:15 AM by cbianchi513
Originally posted by grover
reply to
post by cbianchi513



What a load of crap... the man was a child at the time. Get over it and stop spouting right wing propaganda.

Besides all that even if he was Muslim, it is hateful at best to suggest that because he was that he would be a bad president or sell us out somehow.

Grow up.

P.S. As a matter of note Hussien is a common name in north Africa and the middle east and is used by Muslim and Christian alike.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by grover]


Jeez! And I thought I was actually BEING "Fair and Balanced". Sorry for posing an honest question, trying to further the information contained in this thread. I will have to curtail my postings so as not to offend the sensibilities of the ultra liberal.

Already knew about the commonality of the "Hussein" (learn to spell, or at least transcribe), but thanks.

Last I checked, I was "grown up", but I'm still not an astronaut... What went wrong?

Anyway, try to read a post and analyze the content before posting your own ignorance for the world to inspect.

Have a long, unpleasant day!


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 01:29 PM by dk3000
reply to post by The Vagabond



Obama was raised in an orthodox muslim household- yet he claims to never have studied/practiced the religion and was not forced by relatives either. There is no evidence his claims are false- thus political and religious theories have been fully debunked many times to the satisfaction of most people.

My skepticisms about this are relatively simple and that is "orthodox" traditions are always taught in every house. What I find suspect in this case is that Obama clearly stated he read about it and was introduced to it, he disagreed and was allowed free thought and allegiance to whatever he wanted. Is this the result of a privileged up bringing? I have serious doubts. Again this is my issue and I am pretty much on my own about it. However, I will rule not rule it out and will keep one very close eye on this.

The fact he is African American is no longer a threat for any man/woman to be a presidential candidate- at least the majority of the American people have progressed beyond the racial barriers color ignorance. This is not the reason he would, if at all, be assassinated.

I believe we are at critical mass (JMO) and the American people will not tolerate (in as much as we are able to revolt) further governance of similar policies and tactics. Once the novelty of a new administration is over (if we do get a new administration!)- the public will be quick to take advantage of a stagnated stance. This will have nothing to do with race- however I am sure that a revolutionary faction will be screaming racial slurs and obscenities as they storm the castle with other pissed of citizens of numerous factions- each chanting their own mantras.

I agree with several folks on here that an assassination may result from within our government itself with the death blamed on a disgruntled nation's peoples- but the real motive and objective is to unseat the throne- the replacement being the new Fuhrer (sorry...I couldn't help it!).

I believe the possibility of assassination and the probability will become clear once the political chess pieces are strategically placed. Check.

I see Obama elected as president and Clinton as VP. Obama will be dead in a year or sooner. His death will either be political (disgrace) or actual and Hillary will be seated upon the throne. When Hill sits on the Hill- she will send Bill on "good-will" missions which will likely end his life while speaking in a foreign land. The immense public sympathy for her will be the smoke screen for the big play. No one will see it coming. Check!

One thing these arrogant war pigs can count on- is the incredible heart of the American people when someone is experiencing a tragedy of personal loss. By and large the American people are good souls and it is this goodness which is always exploited for maximum power plays. This fact is sad but true.

Our love for one another and idealism will be our undoing- at least thats the card they will play against us. I believe love is far stronger and their insidious , odious , pious arrogance will be their unseating- because love does conquer all in the end. It always has and it always will and its the one element the opposition has none of. Checkmate!

There is not one enlightened world leader today- not one. This is how I came to my own conclusion.

JMO!





[edit on 8-2-2008 by dk3000]


reply posted on 8-2-2008 @ 01:34 PM by manticore
reply to post by Marid Audran



In my opinion, if this happened before the election, it would raise too much suspicion for the Clintons. My earlier post regarding Reagan's assassination attempt would seem more logical. Obama wins, Hillary is second in command, and there you have it: a president, not by consensus, but, by "force".



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