Obama: dead man walking?

Happy super tuesday guys.

Anybody else get the same vibe I did about tonight? Specifically that Hillary feels like she almost died and Obama is starting to smell blood in the water.

Their speeches were quite telling. Obama stayed on message and gave a primary campaign speech, and the unstated point was quite clearly "I'm in striking range, and I intend to get you in the late primaries".

Hillary on the other hand is trying to pretend that the primary is over and hoping the voters won't know the difference. She is already starting to run against the Republicans, because she knows she can't last much longer running against Obama.

If Obama can best her in the debates that she (out of desperation) recently accepted... well what choice will she really have, if she wants to be president?

[edit on 6-2-2008 by The Vagabond]

My feeling is that on the Democratic side it will either be Obama/Edwards or Clinton/Edwards... I doubt seriously that the ticket will include both Obama and Clinton regardless of the configuration.

As for the Republicans I feel pretty confident in saying it will be McCain/Huckabee as opposed to a McCain/Rommney ticket, for many of the same reasons Clinton and Obama will not be on the same ticket... too much bad blood now between the candidates... that and having Huckabee on the ticket will give a cachet of sorts to McCain that he is conservative enough.

Personally though the Republicans are totally clueless in thinking that their conservative credentials will help them... Thanks to a conservative congress from 94 to 06 and a conservative white house under the shrub for the last 7... most people now understand that as an ideology, they are as bankrupt as they claim the Democrats are... and after all that time the average joe has nothing to show for his votes for them except a bad economy and a job as a greeter at mal-warts.

Anyone want to take me up on the odds of my picks as the tickets?



[edit on 6-2-2008 by grover]

reply to post by grover

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You may be right on all counts. I too feel that the public at large is fed up with those in power and are looking for a change. This is coming from an angry right wing christian male. I am sure that I am not the only one.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

reply to post by The Vagabond

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The thing I found most interesting about the vid was the surprise that TK showed. He didn't seem to expect that question, and most MSM talking heads stick to the talking points these days.



That very thought occurred to me not long after seeing the TK interview.



I have to disagree. I think that Hillary will be on the D ticket somewhere, in all probability as the nominee. It'll be Clinton/Edwards, and you can name your own odds.

reply to post by resistor

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I don't see how you disagree other than I think it could be either Clinton/Edwards OR Obama/Edwards but not Clinton/Obama or vice a versa. Though personally the both of them together would be the most formidable team.

No Obama is NOT Muslim. Pay more attention. This is your country too and it is that kind of attitude that gets people like Bush into office.

Don't know if it's been posted or not, just wanted to expound a bit... pardon if it's been mentioned.
To the best of my understanding, Barack Hussein Obama claims(emphasis added)to be a practising Christian. Fact is that that he lived four years as a youth in a muslim country, and attended school (muslim) while there.
Be careful about how you bandy about words like "never" or "always". Those words are nothing but trouble...

At any rate, how am I batting on that first paragraph? I guess I need to find a link...


Took awhile: here they are.
First one supports my above statement...
www.insightmag.com...
(Note Hillary in the headline, a sign of bias? We'll see.)

Next we have a (CNN) vehement denial of fundamentalistmuslim schooling...
www.cnn.com...
(This one, coincidentally, DIRECTLY contradicts/corrrects the previous link)

Finally, what the heck??? 2 years muslim, 2 years parochial?...
thinkprogress.org...
(Kind of a more balanced interpretation of the Fox News report... I especially like the part about "no angels decending". Lends a real personal touch)

I usually don't put links in, so use 'em. Interpretations/opinions welcomed. Is he muslim? Catholic?

Lutheren?

Definitely not Jewish.


[edit on 8/2/08 by cbianchi513]

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I thought I had a unique take on this whole thing. It kind of ties in the New World Order with it, although in a slightly sarcastic tone.

Basicly, he won't be assassinated by the KKK. It will be a Muslim EXTREMIST. (I emphasized "Extremist" because any time it seems I say anything about Muslims, some Muslim always seems to think I'm referring to Islam as a whole---which I am NOT!)

Here is the thread I started which didn't seem to take off like I thought it might (I guess my timing sucks or I'm some sort of wack-job).....

Barack Hussein Obama Will Win 2008 Election And Here Is Why

Obviously if Obama is assassinated, it will not be at the hands of the KKK. I think people are giving that group far too much credit. At this point they are extremely insignificant, especially compared to what they were in the past. I don't think they have the capability to kill someone like Obama, at least no more a capability than any other fringe hate group.

Of course I could definitely see a group like the KKK being framed for assassinating Obama. They could finger a McVeigh-type character who has connections to, or is a member of, the KKK. But it will really be the powers-that-be who carry out the killing.

And while Obama is incredibly popular right now and is raising a crap load of money, I would not for a second count Hillary out. The Clintons are far too manipulative and calculating to lose the nomination. They are probably just letting Obama peak now so that he fizzes out before the nomination is made this summer. The Clinton's always have something up their sleeves, and Hillary is not about to roll over and let Obama take the Democratic spot.

Personally, I have no problem electing an African American as president. But I'm not going to vote for a guy because of the color of his skin and overlook his shortcomings or inexperience. I don't want change just for the sake of change- especially during a time of war. While I think Obama is extremely intelligent and talented, and could very well someday make a great president, I feel that at this point he doesn't have enough experience under his belt. I think he might be better served as the VP candidate on a Hillary-for-president ticket. That would allow him to then be a more viable candidate after (and if) Hillary is elected to two terms.

So I don't think it will come as shocking to anyone when I say that I will not be voting for Clinton or Obama, or any combination of the two. Although I am not high on John McCain, I prefer him over an inexperienced candidate like Obama. And I'll take just about anyone over a Clinton!!! She is just too cold and calculating for my taste, aside from the fact that I disagree with her on a lot of issues- mainly withdrawing troops.

So, back to the topic at hand... The thought of Obama being assassinated is something that I think has ran through a lot of people's minds. After all, there has never been a African American candidate with a better chance of becoming president than Obama.

But there's something that has actually been on my mind a lot lately regarding Obama. And it's not the thought of him being killed. It's actually my suspicions that he is the Anti-Christ!! But that's another post for another day!

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What a load of crap... the man was a child at the time. Get over it and stop spouting right wing propaganda.

Besides all that even if he was Muslim, it is hateful at best to suggest that because he was that he would be a bad president or sell us out somehow.

Grow up.

P.S. As a matter of note Hussien is a common name in north Africa and the middle east and is used by Muslim and Christian alike.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by grover]

I've had the same thoughts, as many, for a while. This is starting to look a bit like the 1980 elections. George H.W. Bush lost the nomination. Ronald Reagan won the presidency. Through plenty of pressure, Ronald Reagan had to choose Bush Sr. as vice president. In March 1981, there was an attempt to assassinate Reagan. If Reagan had died, Bush would have become president, only three months after the general election.

Now, let's look at some facts the population doesn't talk about. John Hinkley was the man who attempted on Reagan's life. John Hinkley's brother was to have dinner with Neil Bush (the vice president's son) the night before the attempt. John Hinkley's father (John Hinkley Sr) was a long-time friend and political contributor of the Bush family. Connect the dots here.

They say history repeats itself. Knowing what we all know about the Clintons, do you really think they will let the opportunity for Hillary to become president slip by? When I say they, I speak of more than the Clintons. These are the two scenarios as I see them:

1. Obama gets the nomination and is pressured (intimidated, rather) to choose Hillary Clinton as his running mate. Shortly after he is elected he is murdered (there are so many patsies to be considered out there), then Hillary takes over.

2. Hillary wins the presidency (with Diebold around, anything is possible - look at the last two elections as confirmation), she chooses Obama. In reality, Obama would just be a vote magnet for Hillary, as Bill Clinton would be the actual "consiglieri" for Hillary.

Either way Hillary wins. Let's not discount the "an attack on US soil" before the election, which may catapult McCain to president, since democrats are supposedly soft on defense.

What do you think?

[edit on 8-2-2008 by manticore]

Bush has come out and endorsed McCain... given junior's popularity that may very well be the kiss of death for John McCain.

reply to post by manticore

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Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of truth in your post.

Jeez! And I thought I was actually BEING "Fair and Balanced". Sorry for posing an honest question, trying to further the information contained in this thread. I will have to curtail my postings so as not to offend the sensibilities of the ultra liberal.

Already knew about the commonality of the "Hussein" (learn to spell, or at least transcribe), but thanks.

Last I checked, I was "grown up", but I'm still not an astronaut... What went wrong?

Anyway, try to read a post and analyze the content before posting your own ignorance for the world to inspect.

Have a long, unpleasant day!

I really hope not. I am a hard core GOP man, but I really like Obama as a person. I will not vote for him, but he just strikes me as one of those people that would be really cool to chat with. I think he might be the bravest man I have seen in my lifetime run for prez. Also I believe in my heart that no matter who the POTUS is.....We all need to RESPECT that. No matter how much we disagree.

Roger that- 100%. The CinC is the boss, regardless of who it is, and how you or I feel about it personally.
Reminds me of SDI SSgt. Corbin at PISC in '93... "You don't have to like the President. Hell, nobody here does. You will , however, follow his orders to the letter!"
What a friggin' genius.

That being said: I still think Obama is toast, and it will certainly not be the KKK or any white supremists. I'm thinking mid-July, early August here.
That should give plenty of time for the appropriate executive orders to be enacted, and get any dissenters into their friendly regional FEMA camp in plenty of time for November to be cancelled. That's a whole other thread though-isn't it?


[edit on 8/2/08 by cbianchi513]

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Obama was raised in an orthodox muslim household- yet he claims to never have studied/practiced the religion and was not forced by relatives either. There is no evidence his claims are false- thus political and religious theories have been fully debunked many times to the satisfaction of most people.

My skepticisms about this are relatively simple and that is "orthodox" traditions are always taught in every house. What I find suspect in this case is that Obama clearly stated he read about it and was introduced to it, he disagreed and was allowed free thought and allegiance to whatever he wanted. Is this the result of a privileged up bringing? I have serious doubts. Again this is my issue and I am pretty much on my own about it. However, I will rule not rule it out and will keep one very close eye on this.

The fact he is African American is no longer a threat for any man/woman to be a presidential candidate- at least the majority of the American people have progressed beyond the racial barriers color ignorance. This is not the reason he would, if at all, be assassinated.

I believe we are at critical mass (JMO) and the American people will not tolerate (in as much as we are able to revolt) further governance of similar policies and tactics. Once the novelty of a new administration is over (if we do get a new administration!)- the public will be quick to take advantage of a stagnated stance. This will have nothing to do with race- however I am sure that a revolutionary faction will be screaming racial slurs and obscenities as they storm the castle with other pissed of citizens of numerous factions- each chanting their own mantras.

I agree with several folks on here that an assassination may result from within our government itself with the death blamed on a disgruntled nation's peoples- but the real motive and objective is to unseat the throne- the replacement being the new Fuhrer (sorry...I couldn't help it!).

I believe the possibility of assassination and the probability will become clear once the political chess pieces are strategically placed. Check.

I see Obama elected as president and Clinton as VP. Obama will be dead in a year or sooner. His death will either be political (disgrace) or actual and Hillary will be seated upon the throne. When Hill sits on the Hill- she will send Bill on "good-will" missions which will likely end his life while speaking in a foreign land. The immense public sympathy for her will be the smoke screen for the big play. No one will see it coming. Check!

One thing these arrogant war pigs can count on- is the incredible heart of the American people when someone is experiencing a tragedy of personal loss. By and large the American people are good souls and it is this goodness which is always exploited for maximum power plays. This fact is sad but true.

Our love for one another and idealism will be our undoing- at least thats the card they will play against us. I believe love is far stronger and their insidious , odious , pious arrogance will be their unseating- because love does conquer all in the end. It always has and it always will and its the one element the opposition has none of. Checkmate!

There is not one enlightened world leader today- not one. This is how I came to my own conclusion.

JMO!





[edit on 8-2-2008 by dk3000]

If there were an assassination my money would be on the Clinton's and before the election.

reply to post by Marid Audran

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In my opinion, if this happened before the election, it would raise too much suspicion for the Clintons. My earlier post regarding Reagan's assassination attempt would seem more logical. Obama wins, Hillary is second in command, and there you have it: a president, not by consensus, but, by "force".



[edit on 8-2-2008 by manticore]

[edit on 8-2-2008 by manticore]