'I am plotting a new Russian revolution'

Originally posted by swimmer
After the October Revolution, communists have killed at least 20 million Russians and destroyed 20000 monasteries and churches. Communists were organized and led from abroad, and a lot of communist leaders were not of Russian nationality.

I hope this does not happen again, for that was the begist crime in the history of human kind.

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I don't know about the biggest but I share your view swimmer. Hell once I hear anything is happening like this in moscow i'm gonna go there straight away. I'm not gonna let some foreign influence wreck my country.

Regards,
Maestro

this guy overestimated himself, i doubt what he can do, maybe just provide some money to terrorists.

when people said Putin curtailed almost a decade of democratic progress and reform in Russia, did you realize that's because of your guys. You only hope Russia getting worse and worse, that's why Russian chose Putin, they know they can not get any help from the western world.

Originally posted by maestro46
The US senate doesn't seem to think so, Infinite.

english.pravda.ru...

Most Russian media is either directly or indirectly controlled by the state. I would take Russian sources with a pinch of salt.

An Anti-Putin rally today in Russia.

(The Communist party is basically the opposition in Russia and has more support than the democracy movement btw)

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by maestro46
The US senate doesn't seem to think so, Infinite.

english.pravda.ru...

Most Russian media is either directly or indirectly controlled by the state. I would take Russian sources with a pinch of salt.

You can take the rest of the saltshaker if you want to. Russian media is controled by the state, some directly, some indirectly. Name me a country in which it isn't. Also try to put in some proof with it. I'm familiar with the media here very well, and one thing it has never done is make up random stories (it has made false excuses and tried to cover things up befor yes, but never conjured a random story out of thin air). It would also never make up false stories that acused the US senate, since that is very serious. I repeat again, pravda is the only online link I could find to show this to you guys, but I first heard of this on the news. So you can regard a bunch of russian politicians expressing themselves on this matter to the media as putting on a show...but that's your choice pal.

regards,
Maestro

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Most Russian media is either directly or indirectly controlled by the state.

...and the USA media are free...do you REALLY believe that? At this moment I think that US media are the MOST CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

Mildly speaking.

Originally posted by swimmer
...and the USA media are free...do you REALLY believe that? At this moment I think that US media are the MOST CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

Mildly speaking.

Did I mention the US in my post?

*looks back*

No I didn't.

Can you please come up with some numbers as for who has more support Infinite?

Also check this out - if Russia is to use force and flaten these protesters right now the western world is gonna come screaming down on Putin saying this is against human rights, this is undemocratical, this is oppresion, etc etc. Take the same situation and put it into another country, lets make it a not so significant small country, and the US would provide that country with it's own troops or tech just to make sure a communist regime is not installed. In this case though the west is just going to stand back and look for things to criticize in the Russian goverment that is in place atm. Actually such a turn over in Russia would be in the west's favour. Why? It would finish Russia off and set it back years, not to mention deny it progress for a while. Countries are not just down on their knees after revolution overthrows them, they're flat on the ground. Berezovsky is gonna fund these movments here and that will be a big boost for them. Unless ofcourse he is assasinated, in which case I'm just gonna be happy. People leave this country the first chance they get all the time here, and I'm not mad at them for that. Heck I even wish them luck. But what does piss me off is when these idiots make a huge living and use it to take stabs at russia because they hold a gridge against it. Do you have any idea what kind of setbacks and how many of them these kind of people have caused for this country? And now one such idiot is gonna try a revolution here? I hope the kremlin deals with this guy and the quicker the better. I don't want to see this nation ander a f***ing Nazi flag with a hamer and sickel in the middle instead of the swastika and it's not gonna happen. Thank god we've got some people with a clarity of thought running this country.

Regards,
Maestro

PS: Mind you when Russia makes a complaint about a country harboring someone who Russia considers a criminal they normaly don't get anywhere. Yhea yhea Russia is out to throw inocent people in prison blah blah blah you're offering them protection, if I was a criminal I would play on this fact and probably live long and healthy. Countries tell Russia to get it together, but they don't realise is almost all the brains behind crime and corruptiion in Russia are not living on Russian soil (I'm not saying Berezovsky isn't a criminal funder). Plus if many of our wanted criminals are hiding in countries which don't give them up it's hard to maintain agenda for the security forces in russia don't you think?

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by swimmer
...and the USA media are free...do you REALLY believe that? At this moment I think that US media are the MOST CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

Mildly speaking.

Did I mention the US in my post?

*looks back*

No I didn't.

OOPS**

EDIT: I have noclue how I've posted these two quotes. Sorry.

[edit on 14-4-2007 by maestro46]

EDIT: same as the post above

[edit on 14-4-2007 by maestro46]

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by swimmer
...and the USA media are free...do you REALLY believe that? At this moment I think that US media are the MOST CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

Mildly speaking.

Did I mention the US in my post?

*looks back*

No I didn't.

Nonetheless infinite, you're acussing the Russian media of being state controled when; you don't live here (i'm sure), you don't speak the laguage, so the only media available to you is the translated articles on the net when there are also the news shows and such not to mention there are alot of shows in russia dedicated to diging up top secret stories and such, not just about the goverment (I've wondered for a while now how some of their hosts stay alive because they have made some serious accusations in the past). But I wouldn't expect you to know that. Yes there is alot of state control on the media here but that doesn't mean that were all blind here.
Noy to mention you're making it sound like we're the worst one out there pal.
I still haven't seen any examples of news agencies that are completely out of state control. Oh and don't try to say things like "yhea but it's worse with the Russian media". You don't live here so you don't know, especially since you don't speak the language. Plus I have no reason to lie to you in what I say about the Russian media.

Regards,
Maestro

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[edit on 14-4-2007 by maestro46]

Originally posted by maestro46
I don't want to see this nation ander a f***ing Nazi flag with a hamer and sickel in the middle instead of the swastika and it's not gonna happen. Thank god we've got some people with a clarity of thought running this country.

You do know that the colour red represents socialism and always has done? Its not a "nazi flag". It's flown by a far left group, who (if you was unware) are kinda different from national socialism.

regarding some figures

State Duma (Russian Lower House body)

United Russia 38.0%
Communist Party of the Russian Federation 12.8%
Liberal Democratic Party of Russia 11.7%

As for the upper house, I'm looking for figures and cannot find anything. If you want be to guess, it could all be controlled by the United Russia (Putin's Party)?, but I don't know. I'll ask some friends in Russia

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by maestro46
Nonetheless infinite, you're acussing the Russian media of being state controled when; you don't live here (i'm sure), you don't speak the laguage,

No, READ MY POST...

I clearly say Most...I didn't say all of the Russian media was state controlled.

Yet again, don't accuse me of saying things I didn't say.

Well, I live in Russia and would like to tell something. Kasparov doesn't have sanction to organize meeting, he don't even bother to get one. When he gets arrested he shouts in english about police state So I guess everyone understands that he wants to get arrested and foreign media reports about how bad we are and Russia becomes authoritarian state, yeah. Good work for his foreign sponsors. BTW: He already freed with fine of ~40$ Those red flags are flags of highly nationalist party, almost nazy, NPB

Good opposition, yeah?


I think it's bad that OMON so aggressively stops this meeting, we just gave cause for another political rant for your media. As for Berezovsky. He is much hated here. I don't think that he has any real power to have an influence on political situation in Russia. Putin has big support, most of russians are very sceptical about all that criticism in YOUR media about Russia, economy develops very fast (and this is not only oil money), we get more influence worldwide and our interests intersects with yours more often, thats just a game and all methods are good, even propaganda, isn't it?

Anyway some photos:




More can be found here. Just click on images.

Infinite let me again explain something to you befor you think i'm possibly unaware again.

A. the red flag with a white circle in the middle reminds us all of what flag first and formost? Nazis, and this flag just has the swastika missing.
B. Neo-nazism is at large in russia (as embarassing as it is to say it is true). Hell some of these idiots actually think they're the 4th reich.
Now these groups often fuse ideologies of communism and nazism. Yes, they're idiots and don't seem to realize that the two can't go together. Neither do they realize that if according to nazism slavs are the scum of the earth right befor the Jews, so what would that make these crack heads? Then again none of them care. But last and final that flag is a mixture of the soviet and nazi flag, there is no arguing that. This is exactly where this nationalism is taking root from if you ask me.

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by maestro46
I don't want to see this nation ander a f***ing Nazi flag with a hamer and sickel in the middle instead of the swastika and it's not gonna happen. Thank god we've got some people with a clarity of thought running this country.

You do know that the colour red represents socialism and always has done? Its not a "nazi flag". It's flown by a far left group, who (if you was unware) are kinda different from national socialism.

Were Nazis socialists? now lets see: the salute in the pictures, the arm bands...

Regards,
Maestro

Aw come on ExD, OMON did the right thing. You know damn well what these nationalists do to people and the trouble they cause in our neihborhoods. And for godsakes who cares about what the other medias have to say about it. We're never gonna get anywhere if we keep worrying about their point of view all the time. Plus last time I checked fighting comunism in your country was the democratic thing to do.

Oh and what Berezovsky does have is vast amounts of $$$. He doesn't need to have fans in Russia ExD. He can just strike a deal and offer sponsorship to a party radical enough to fill the streats with violence or something like that. It's not like these party leaders would even have to explain to those in their perties who they get the funds from.

Regards,
Maestro

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Were Nazis socialists?

IIRC the term "NAZI" comes from the party's name: National Socialist.

While a right wing movement in political philosophy, the Nazi's were very good at adopting the elements of socialism they thought would help them sell their agenda.

Originally posted by xmotex

Were Nazis socialists?

IIRC the term "NAZI" comes from the party's name: National Socialist.

While a right wing movement in political philosophy, the Nazi's were very good at adopting the elements of socialism they thought would help them sell their agenda.

Yes, but never actualy were refered to as socialists. A socialist and a national socialist are different things. They do have similarities, but nonetheless not the same. And that's beside the point, fact still remains that this party is damn near nazi. Look who they were atarted by.

Regards,
Maestro

Oh it's fairly obvious from their regalia that they're a neo-nazi nationalist group, I wasn't disputing that at all. Just making a point that "socialist" is in fact part of "national socialist"