That's It!!! Damn Us All...

You know, at this point I wouldn't blame God at all if he were to end the world. Everyday events get sicker and sicker as we seem to slide down a very slippery slope to Armageddon. I don't want to be an alarmest but I have to ask: "Where/when does it end?"

news.independent.co.uk...



We just keep trying to out do ourselves. Pig/Human hybrids, cloning, nanotech, dna engineering... the list goes on. Does anyone care anymore? Does anyone stop to think about the morality of it? Or are we at the point in our evolution that we just don't give a damn anymore? Who are we to mess with nature in this way?

Damn us all...

I think we should be looking at the long term effects of this type of process... what happens 3 or 4 generations down the line when two of these lesbian babies happen to fall in love and go through the same processes and have another kid by genetic transformation. my guess, down syndrome and all types of genetic defects. we're basically polluting our gene pool. its scary to think in a few years you may need to ask about someones whole lineage before you agree to have a child with them for fear of genetic defects, or the govt saying two people legally cant have a kid because of the possibility their genetic interactions.

its creepy and i dont really see it comming into full scale operation. right now at least there are very few states that allow a gay couple to even get married, much less have genetic engineering done to have a female/female child.

[edit on 4/13/2007 by bokinsmowl]

ha ha ha, I just laughed way out loud.

If it happens, all the men can run off and be homosexual and it will be ok... lmao

Wow looks like us men are dieing breed :S, tho i don't agree with it 100% from this type of research good things might come from it.

Then I have an interesting question for you. The morality and mess with nature this way...
But keeping people alive, which would otherwise die in hopsitals or keeping people with let's say down-syndrome alive is just as well messing with nature... Where do you want to draw the line? In your view you are actually then saying that if you ever need to be hospitalised, you will refuse, because that's not the way of nature...

You can't go half-way on thing like this in my view.. It's or the whole deal or nothing at all...

That's a rediculous thing to say. Someone born with a disease should be given opportunities to live. But breeding between two people who weren't originally intended to by us designing synthetic sperm is wrong. Sorry to disappoint.

The world isn't black and white. There are shades of grey and people need to use their heads to determine for themselves whats acceptable and whats not.

People like you want to just bury your head and not make the tough decisions.

In your world then I assume you think mating a human with say a dog, if it could be done, is just as acceptable?

Glad you had a good laugh. Keep laughing when this all blows up in our faces.

What good?

The only good is for us to leave well enough alone. We don't have to do things just because we can.

Who's morality are we talking about; yours mecheng?
Not to long ago that Galileo was punished by the Church for heresy for thinking
the Earth revolved around the sun.

I'm glad that men of vision push the limits of science and advance the human race in general.
Your morality shouldn't and doesn't apply just because of your ideology and dogma.

Not a dieing breed... all that this means is sex in the future will be purely for recreation.

Reproduction will need a doctor to commence...

Some will hate this and some will love it, what ever your feelings are it is the future.

We have the technology right at this moment to double our life spans, and in that time we will have the technology to sustain life indefinably.

So reproduction is something that will need to be controlled.

IMHO in the future there will be no need for contraception, because there will be biological controls build directly into us as a species. When we choose to reproduce we will be able to chose to do it medically or through sexual means...

This will put an end to the strain on society both sociologically and economically that teen pregnancies, unwanted pregnancies, and over population cause.

Most people will look at this now and be disgusted by it.... but it is something to be embraced as it is our evolution.

The feminists out there will try and say that the invention of tech like this heralds the end of the Male.

The chauvinist males out there will fail to see the benefits and fight against the common ground.

Obviously neither is correct… The truth is unity.... Male and Female being able to express themselves as one regardless of sex and social roles.

Something I feel we should all aspire to.

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

um mecheng... I have a sense of humour...the laughing wasnt directed at YOU... I was laughing about the article.

I think it is insane... so settle pettle...I am the last person to attack and belittle.... thats not my thang!!

In short... yes. And I would guess (sorry I don't have my poll results in just yet) the majority of people.

Problem is that the minority pushes the limits and nobody says a damn thing. That is until something goes horribly wrong.

How is this 'advancing' the human race? With all the 'advances' we've made I see nothing but the morality and ethics of the race going backwards... not forward. Again, we don't have to do these things just because we can.

No problem. It's hard to catch sarcasm over the net sometimes.

Ok, so you can play god in some situations, but not in others, for the reason???? Unknown... Because someone born with a disease is not supposed to grow up.. But you think he should, but two people who were not built to have children, is not allowed...
There is no logic in that. Very simple. You are just selling normal brainwashed commercial garbage IMHO.




We'll there it is.. The illusion of a grey area.. Ok, have it your way..



hmmm... That's a strange view of seeing it.. You see, Maybe I should share my view on this, to make it more clear. I think people with a disease at birth which cannot be fixed to a reasonable factor in which they can live a normal life, should not be helped. On the other hand Genetic enhancements, what is the exact problem with that then??
It's against nature right?
Well so is keeping people alive which cannot on there own power.
I'm trying to show you your ill logic in your statement...




If it could be made to have a decent function in life, what would the problem be?

In this "Brave New World", I can assure you that I will be a savage. My two favourite Dystopian Fantasy novels are becoming dangerously true.

I don't claim to think for God but I have to believe this isn't what was intended.



Why does everything need to be 'embraced'? Why does it seem there just isn't anything anymore that is off limits?



Because someone doesn't think a synthetic baby born from two lesbians is wrong doesn't mean they are automatically chauvinist. It could just be that's they simply think it's wrong.

Again, I don't think it will be a Dystopia... more a Utopia....

The first thing that has to change if we are all going to live a lot longer is the idea that sex as recreation is immoral.

The main reason sex has been used against us by religion was in the first instance archaic attempt to control birth rates.

The second and of course the biggest reason sex has been made out to be dirty by religion is for it’s own control over the population, as apposed to population control.

As sex is a fundamental desire of 99.9% of humans, if you were to state that that desire is a sin then 99.9% of all people are sinners and need saving…

Once we can get off this morality gravy train, we can step forward into a cleaner brighter world where more is available to everyone, not just a few.

If Money is the mother of all Evil then Region is surely the Father.

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

Why should we say a 'damn thing'. I would like to know what bad will come from this?

Unless most women decide to have this theoretical ability I do not see a real issue with it. Lesbian couples wish to have the ability to have a child without the need of a sperm doner...if we have the science to do so then let it be. Good for the scientists, good for the families this will help to create, good for the push forward in science.

Oh and, who is to say that the majority, if it even is the majority in this matter, should push the minority into a corner?



Again, you assume that your morality and your ethics should be kept in mind. You may assume that it is the majority of the worlds population who feel this but that may not be the case.

Giving lesbian couples the ability to conceive a child who is theirs in every single way; a child who they can love and call their own without any issue as to which one of them shall be able to contribute genetically to its life...you are right...this is a moral outrage of the highest degree.

[edit on 4/13/0707 by spines]

Your Logic is floored.

If all chauvinist fail to see the benefit of this technology, it does not mean all that do not see the benefit of this technology are chauvinist.

All the best,

NeoN HaZe.

I understand your "logic". It still doesn't mean that just because something CAN be done that it SHOULD be done.



You're being hypocritical. You're saying that someone that was born with a disease and wasn't intended to live should not be given help to stay alive. But a dog/man... or for that matter a synthetic baby from lesbian parents... which also was never intended to live is ok?

[edit on 13-4-2007 by mecheng]