posted on Nov, 24 2002 @ 08:29 PM
Oiy, don't be so hard on the girl She like most of us have not lived in a world that is large and incomprehensible. 1000 years ago or even 300
years ago atheism would have been inconcievable. Why?
Because ironically, back then their lack of understanding of how the universe worked, allowed them to see how they were connected to the universe.
We can't live without the winds and the rivers and the mountains, if this world were a flat ball with no geologic activity we'd be on Mars.
This is a very important thing to realize because as I read what bluegrl wrote, I see the prevalence that is in so many, that this universe is NOT
It is like this, the lay-scientist has enough knowledge to understand that there is no god, but not to understand that ther IS a god. The primative
human NEEDS a religion to explain WHY this universe is SO emence. Has anyone tried to live under the stars for once? No street lights, no house
lights, just stars and when you go to bed it is so dark you can't see your hand, but if you take it to the sky you can see your sillouhette clearly
against the milky way. Very amazing, too amazing for the primative, that is why God or Gods/Goddess were created, to explain this emensity.
But as we became more scientific, and technological, we understood more of what really it was we were looking at, it is this type of lay-science that
allows us to NOT believe in a creative force or organizing force or GOD. This idea is confused usually to be the same as Religion, it is not.
Religion was created by man, but the searching for that "force" god was not, it IS man, our lives are fixated around it, so much that everyone has a
"religious" center to the brain, and the less they have of it the more animal-like they are in that they live purely for the moment, hand to
If you go higher up into the high sciences, you begin to see HOW there HAS to be a God. The organization is TOO much.
So...with the understanding of how science has helped changed our perspectives of our own existance and purpose. Let us look at how this has altered
our ability to comprehend the difference between religion and god.
When someone is saying religion was created by man, they are correct, but when one says that religion is a control factor. A "command" structure,
they are most wrong. Ecclesiastical religions sort of became that, but even if there was no Christianity Islam Judaism or Hindu, there would still be
Religion, man needs to explore PURPOSE, that is God. It is impossible, to go out under the stars, look at saturn the size of a dime, and say THERE IS
NO GOD. Atheists will disagree with me but they don't understand what god is. It is not a big finger pointing and creating, it is PURPOSE.
Nothingness is the natural state of everything, so why is there anything?
Humans do not need something to pray to when they are in need, I've never payed, and never will. Humans just need purpose, whether it is continued
existance or whatever.
Religion is ironically our freedom, as long as it doesn't become a control factor. The US's freedoms stem almost entirely from our Freedom of
Religion, because that sums up ALL other Freedoms.
You note the taliban, using religion as control, that's one extreme, but governments don't need religion, look at the Soviet Union, there the
government WAS religion.
And I know what's after we die, the bare minimums anyways.
As I've tried to argue before, but failed because it takes better discussion than is available here. The bare minimums of this life require a few
Existance, and continued existance. When we die we are at LEAST reincarnated. There might be a heaven and hell, but I doubt it very much, but there
has to be at LEAST reincarnation.
There can be several varients to that, but at the VERY least, you never "cease" to exist. Although through logic I've determined existance and
Individuality to be two different things.
We may not be able to find out how things REALLY are, but we can figure out how things aren't, and I and MANY other people have done this, most
don't even realize it. Sit down, reflect on your life, and this universe, and just think for once.
I had the BENIFIT (atheists are going to hate this) To sit down for 10 plus years as an Atheist to figure out WHAT this universe needs to be here, and
for us to be here.
Everyone can do it, and they do, usually they are different interpretations, but in the end it is summed up with some form of continued existance,
because, as I tried to tell that James guy (not james the lesser) without continued existance, or some form of memory of now, forever, this never
happend. And we would not be living now.
You alread "know" what will happen to us after we die, it is that "something after we die" belief. Through physics we have discovered the
universe WITHOUT the aid of complete experimentation, it is logic. With logic you can figure out the bare minimums. Through reason NO ONE can deny
that we are at least reborn or concious after death. I prefer the reborn because it is cyclical and everything else in this universe is cyclical.