Billy Meier UFO Contact Hoax: Discussion, page 6


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reply posted on 18-4-2007 @ 11:54 AM by Michael12
Regarding the dinosaur photos, I'll do my best. There are a number of photos, i.e. the dinosaur, a primitive man, the Asket photos, some photos in space, on/above Mars, etc. that caused problems because they look to be faked. When one reads the early Contact Notes where Meier is describing some of the scenes that he is photographing, they're quite convincing narratives. And, with such things as the Jupiter (Venus, Saturn and two planets beyond Pluto) information, it ultimately was proved to be extremely accurate...well after Meier first published.

But as Meier's photos and films drew greater attention, and attempts to kill the man failed, it seemed that the next best means of attacking him was to destroy his credibility. It appears that certain things, like the dinosaur photos, presented the perfect opportunity. Add to this that it's said that Meier may have put certain photos in his binder to show the closest things to what he saw (if he didn't photograph them) and you have the makings of a mess, no two ways about it.

If that was all to the Meier evidence then I, among others, would not have spent such a long period of time researching the case - what would there be to reasearch? But let me digress just a little to try to make a point.

It can be argued that the majority of people who are fascinated with, let's say Indiana Jones-type, adventures have to content themselves with either fictious movies, etc. or reading about the lives of real adventurers. Today, more than ever, everything is predigested and fed to a largely lazy, open-mouthed bunch of consumers who rarely think for themselves. Point being, it's easy to look where the magician wants you to look - and the magician in this case ISN'T Meier. And, since when and wherever humans are involved things can and WILL get screwed up, what better way to keep people from being "distracted" by something of monumental importance than to aid the normal human screw ups with some well-crafted, deliberate disinformation such as photo manipulations?

But let's take it a step further and presume (even though I don't) that Meier himself, in some moment of bad judgment or indigestion, went to the trouble to fake a handful of photos, how do we explain the hundreds of other irreproucible, non-hoaxed photos and films and little things like the metal alloy samples and still irreproducible sound recordings? How disturbing. We can't simply throw the baby out with the bath water - if we do want to find and know the truth of the matter.

So, to get back to my analogy, we get to become adventurers and discoverers in our own right. We get to deal with the obstacles of public opinion and intense skepticism (professional and otherwise) and find the answers for ourselves. They lead to some surprising places and to the reason for my often criticized statement that this isn't so much about UFOs and ETs as it is about us and our survival. The UFO/ET part is quite flashy, so much so that unless there are some wake up calls and bumps in the road we may stay dazzled too long with it and dwell in escapist fantasies - as is the case with much of the UFO/ET phenomenon - rather than get nudged on, either to want to wash our hands of the whole thing (which may be better than fanticizing anyway) OR start to get to where the "treasure map" is really trying to lead us; the "treasure" here being the rather non-sexy idea of self-responsibility and complete taking back of the power that we (humans collectively, individually) have blithely given away to outside earthly forces in the forms of religion, politics, governments, "leaders", cults, sects, gurus, masters, etc., as well as imaginary things like "angels", etc.

That my answer won't satisfy everyone is a given; it's just what my thinking has led me to. After all, I do also know the man, members of his family, the investigators, other photographers, witnesses, etc.

Each person still must consider ALL the evidence and make up their own mind.


reply posted on 18-4-2007 @ 12:02 PM by Michael12
P.S. Speaking of Indiana Jones, some little known information about Meier:

www.theyfly.com...

As far as the pyramid goes, all I know is that they use one for group meditations there. Small pyramids are used by various people for the Salome meditation (see: www.theyfly.com...) and which is, to me, far more important than the pyramid topic itself. But for what it's worth, there are no weird rituals, animal scarifices, sex practices, or soccer matches going on at, with, under or on top of the pyramid.

MH
www.theyfly.com


reply posted on 18-4-2007 @ 12:39 PM by Crakeur
Originally posted by Michael12
it's said that Meier may have put certain photos in his binder to show the closest things to what he saw (if he didn't photograph them) and you have the makings of a mess, no two ways about it.


so Meier goes and finds images that look like what he saw (the dino, the woman in a catalogue) and claims they're real only to later he say they are the closest thing to what he actually saw that he could find in a catalogue or book or tv movie of the week?

I'm not buying that pathetic excuse. I'm sure we can go thru the "evidence" that's out there and not find the disclaimer that "this woman from a catalogue is the closest representation to what I really saw" or "the dinosaurs that are pictured are the closest I can come to showing you what I saw"

I thought Billy claimed to have brought a camera with him to take those photos.

Originally posted by Michael12
If that was all to the Meier evidence then I, among others, would not have spent such a long period of time researching the case - what would there be to reasearch?


When someone has the most earth shattering, groudbreaking story in the history of mankind, and it takes place over several decades and he has so much "real" documentation of this ongiong event, why would he need to fake one single document? Why would he make up images of people or dinosaurs, and claim they are real if the rest is real? It's ludicrous and yet he did. Let's pretend for a moment that Billy is telling the truth and everything he says is accurate and all the images are real except for the ones we've been discussing. He's ruined his credibility completely. The damage is done. It's like being accused of pedophilia or date rape. It might be totally fabricated but you're going to have a hard time finding a date or being around kids. So now he has this amazing story that nobody is going to believe, because for some totally ridiculous reason, he felt the need to fake dinosaur photos and one of his aliens moolighted as a catalogue model.

If the story were real, he wouldn't have to fake anything. He did and now everything he says about this story is suspect. It's how things work when you have a story to tell and you change the facts. It's no longer non-fiction. James Frey can attest to that.
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