Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by PepeLapew
their retarded "pancake theory" is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

Exactly why is it such a ridiculous thing in your opinion?

Not to speak for PepeLapew, but the "pancake theory" only describes the floors. It doesn't consider the core. Which wouldn't have pancaked.

What do you base that upon?

Pancake theory doesn't take into account that the core structure was independant (when it comes to floors and floor connections) to the rest of the structure. If the connections sheared off, then there would be no force acting on the core columns, therefore, they should have stood. Going by pancake theory.

Saying statements such as that do not add much to the debate without giving your reasons for them.

I agree. Both sides are guilty of this.

I think one of the main reasons the American public opinion turned against the Vietnam War(turned against the Brainwashing) was conscription.
Maybe this is why it Conscription has'nt been re-introduced,or could they get away with bringing it back?



[edit on 19-4-2007 by Muffinresearch]

Doubt it, since those that don't want to fight would just do the same thing as they did during Vietnam; run to Canada. What's even worse now is that they could run to Mexico, and live there very well for what they're just scraping by up here in the US for.

Sad days these are.

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
What's even worse now is that they could run to Mexico, and live there very well for what they're just scraping by up here in the US for.

Not to go off subject, but what is stopping us from doing this? Just curious.

Griff,

For starters, I don't want to live in a country that's so corrupt that it's common for police to be bought by locals. That's just wrong. While I'm sure that goes on almost everywhere a little, I don't think it's as prevalent anywhere else.

Secondly, I think that the health status of that general area is lower than other locations. Now that's not to say that there aren't healthy people there, because there are, but in general, there's a low health standard in the area.

These are just a couple of the reasons that I don't think that living there is such a good idea... And besides, in about 10 years, we'll be able to live here for what we can live there for now. Just something to think about.

TheBorg

I;m confused. i've heard all th the "evidence" for a 9/11 inside job. and to be perfectly frank i'm not buying it. every time something like this happens there are conspiracies floating around and for the most part they are not true, to my knowledge. however there seems to be a huge flaw what did the government stand to gain? and nobody say they are just evil or that they don't know why they just did. help.

Well, the prevailing opinion is that this was allowed to draw us into the world conflict, so that we'd have a reason to go over and overthrow the Middle-eastern governments, replacing them with democratic allies that we can use later. Plus, there's always the private sector that's making a killing, pardon the pun, off of this. They are raking the money in by the truckload.

In the end, it's all about the all-mighty buck. It's what drives this whole thing...

TheBorg

the 'government' is just a cabal of super rich industrialists involved in energy(oil barons, enron), pharmaceuticals, ARMS SALES.

it is clear what this 'government' stood to gain.

the people who own ALL the money in the world are not interested that much in what the people want, or how many useless eaters have to die to turn a profit, and more importantly, KEEP TOTAL CONTROL of the minds and bodies of people so they can stay in power. hope that 'helps'.

Originally posted by Truth4hire
Massive amounts of people do know it by now. All it takes now is a simple takeover of the mass media for "it" to officially surface, create a nice civil war in the U.S. and form a whole new government with truth, peace and prosperity for a 1000 years to come.

The mass media are part of "it". you have a better chance of overturning the government than the media. I would be in favour of the new government you hope for, but you could expect very strong resistance from the mass media right through the first few elections in the "new" democracy, but the media will be still part of "it", still a propaganda tool doing what it can until they sway public opinion against the new democracy, until such time as their men works their way to the top in the "new"democracy again, and the government then returns to "it". A takeover of the mass media won't be so simple.

Originally posted by billybob

the 'government' is just a cabal of super rich industrialists involved in energy(oil barons, enron), pharmaceuticals, ARMS SALES.

Back this up with proof ? Not some website, or opinions.
Proof.

it is clear what this 'government' stood to gain.

Really ? Explain, please.

the people who own ALL the money in the world

Where do you get this information ?

Bill Gates was "in on" the Iraq war ?

Puh-lease.

If you have any proof of your statements (they ARE statements) provide it.

Lex

Originally posted by Blkthrn
I;m confused. i've heard all th the "evidence" for a 9/11 inside job. and to be perfectly frank i'm not buying it. every time something like this happens there are conspiracies floating around and for the most part they are not true, to my knowledge. however there seems to be a huge flaw what did the government stand to gain?

What do you mean a huge flaw? Surely you can figure out who gained billions of dollars in all sorts of contracts since 9/11, yeah the guys who control the US government, who made money out of Afganistan and Iraq wars. Billions of dollars have been spent on the bogus War on Terror, add in all the lucrative contracts from security, oil, arms industry, drugs trade in afganistan, haliburton, etc, etc

And it does go farther than the billions of dollars they have made, they have also used 9/11 to introduce ever more fascist laws such as patriot act, homeland security which effectively does little in fighting terrorism but it removes certain freedoms of the public increases their grip of power and is steering the country closer and closer to a micro-chipped population

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provide it yourself, vanguard. i don't have to prove that cheney is up to his elbows in haliburton, bush was good freinds with 'kenny-boy' lay and is an oil baron, rumsfeld sells bird-flu vaccine and duct tape, etc. it is a meter of public frickin' record, not a 'conspiracy theory' or 'baseless accusation'.

you are just being adversarial for the sake of it. do some research, and prove that i'm wrong.

bill gates is in your head.

[edit on 21-4-2007 by billybob]

Originally posted by PepeLapew
On September 10th (the day before) the Pentagon officials came out and announced that 3 trillion dollars were "lost" and could not be found. The next day, nobody would remember this as something big came to over shadow that small 3 trillion missing dollars.

I think it's 3 trillion, that's what I remember but I could be off by a buck or two.

They probably lost it in Iraq.

Oh wait, the invasion and occupation of Iraq hadn't happened yet.

Nevermind. Silly me.

[edit on 22-4-2007 by In nothing we trust]

Originally posted by pavil
And........this video is evidence of your side's contention that 9/11 was an inside job?

Not at all. The video is only evidence that there really were a PNAC and that there really were people who were hoping for a 'new Pearl Harbor'

The video only corroborates that the 'New Pearl Harbor' quote I supplied is true, nothing else.

Nice job in video just being rude jerks IMHO.

I supply you with a 3 trillion dollar motive and direct written evidence that the government would benefit greatly from 9/11 and the best you can do is criticize the people's manners in the video?
How about their haircuts? Did you like their haircuts?

Just because the people in the video were rude doesn't mean we are all like that. Personally I would have spat in that treasonous freak's face.

Stepping off my soapbox now.

Not much of a soap box if you ask me. Try to address the 3 trillion dollars motive and the PNAC motive instead of going on and on about useless rants.

rude jerks? you mean the PNAC crowd, no doubt. those bastards are as frickin' rude as you can be. blatant imperialists.

This thread gets the big from me for having the most ardent paid provacatuers and disinfoer's on any ATS thread yet!.....How's the weather in Tampa and Langley today boys?....

p.s. -You're aiding in the captivity and premature deaths of your own children. Sleep well!

Originally posted by PepeLapew
Just because the people in the video were rude doesn't mean we are all like that. Personally I would have spat in that treasonous freak's face.

I did think their haircuts were a little overdue and more product would have been good. I'm glad you aren't as rude like the rest of them, calling someone names and spitting in their face is so much more civil. Thanks!

As to the 3 Trillion figure you are throwing around, please provide the links.

Also look at the budget timeframe in question they are referring to. If memory serves me correct it is from the timeframe of 1998-2000. For those with short memories, was Bush in power then? The Pentagon has always had rather poor accounting practices, remember the expensive hammers and toilet seats? Plus if you think that in Sept 2001 the Pentagon had up to the date to even 2nd quarter of 2001 accounting of money, you are mistaken. Most branches of government aren't nearly as responsive as say a business when it comes to accurate, up to date bookeeping. Please reread the links from the time in question, not from sites cliff notes of it after the fact.

You have a good day.

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[edit on 23-4-2007 by pavil]

[edit on 23-4-2007 by pavil]

Originally posted by pavil

As to the 3 Trillion figure you are throwing around, please provide the links.

Also look at the budget timeframe in question they are referring to. If memory serves me correct it is from the timeframe of 1998-2000. For those with short memories, was Bush in power then? The Pentagon has always had rather poor accounting practices, remember the expensive hammers and toilet seats? Plus if you think that in Sept 2001 the Pentagon had up to the date to even 2nd quarter of 2001 accounting of money, you are mistaken. Most branches of government aren't nearly as responsive as say a business when it comes to accurate, up to date bookeeping. Please reread the links from the time in question, not from sites cliff notes of it after the fact.

You have a good day.

edit for spelling


[edit on 23-4-2007 by pavil]

[edit on 23-4-2007 by pavil]

Please defend the people in power on Sept. 11 2001, lets review the time line one more time. President sees report stating "Osama determined to strike US with airplanes" months before 911. President recieves call from national security adviser Rice while still in limo outside school about first plane to strike towers 8:40, or there abouts. It's decided that book reading will take place any way. President is informed "nation under attack" at 9:02, or there about. President sits in classroom for almost 8 mins. before leaving room to apperently go set up another room where he can address the nation. 9:37 Flt. 77 crashes into the Pentagon. Was anybody incharge that day?


[edit on 4/23/2007 by infinityoreilly]