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Topic started on 10-4-2007 @ 06:20 PM by notgov

ever since 911 the weather has increasingly got worse the gover ment wanted more cloud cover fo military purposes now the cant get it under control so global warming is there out keeps everyones attention off the gov..........

reply posted on 15-4-2007 @ 11:52 PM by x08

What? Can anybody please translate what this guy has written? I'm a teacher, used to horrid grammar and the like - but this I can't make heads or tails out of..

Ummm...

Something about weather getting worse after 911,
Government wants cloud cover for secret military testing,
Government lost control of clouds,
Global Warming is here (because of this) to keep our attention off the government.

???

How did I do?

Well Mr. notgov... Just to inform you, Global Warming has long been a topic. Long, long before 911 ever occured.

reply posted on 15-4-2007 @ 11:54 PM by aaronman

Apparently the government was using clouds to keep themselves hidden, but something went wrong and now they are ruining the Earth?

And how did they do this?

reply posted on 15-4-2007 @ 11:57 PM by 7Ayreon

Originally posted by notgov
ever since 911 the weather has increasingly got worse the gover ment wanted more cloud cover fo military purposes now the cant get it under control so global warming is there out keeps everyones attention off the gov..........

Since the 9/11 terrorist attack, the weather has increasingly got worse or has been exposed more from media. The government has since wanted more clouds for military purposes (aerospace experimental craft?) Now that the government modified or manipulated the weather, they cannot get it under control so the term "global warming" is there to keep citizens attention off the government but on a natural-cause deflection.

/7A

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:20 AM by Brother Stormhammer

So....now Global Warming is the fault of the Evil Bu#ler McCheneyBurtonCo government of Amerikkka? *sigh*

Let's start from the top...at least there might be mushrooms growing there.

1) Can the Original Poster provide (preferably in some semi-coherent language) proof that the weather is worse since September 11, 2001?

2) Can someone provide some evidence that the government can 'control the weather'?

What we *seem* to have here is yet another case of bad science, combined with bad supporting data (or a total lack of it) and bad punctuation / grammar.

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:27 AM by 7Ayreon

Well there can be proof from the medias coverage of weather disasters and the such except weather control would be deemed classified and proof of it is not available through the public or without proper authorization to access the material if there is such at that level of secrecy.

/7A

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:32 AM by collielikethedog

The HAARP installations in Alaska are capable of manipulating weather. Take a look at those. The official website shows some scientific jargon for its purposes, but years ago, before the project had progressed so far, it was talked about as a military weapon that could alter weather.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by collielikethedog]

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:39 AM by Isthistaken

Where do you people get these crazy ideas? Are you saying the government is deliberately destroying large swath of community as tests?

Do you people actually believe this? This is almost as good as thanking the weatherman for sending a windstorm that destroys your house.

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:42 AM by 7Ayreon

It is highly possible our governments are responsible for many weather disasters especially the common storm. They are in control of the information and they will keep this matter secret, than if it were to be officially proven - theyd be accountable for millions of deaths. Therefore, this weather manipulation could very well be real just not tangible for you to review other than experiencing it.

/7A

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:52 AM by 7Ayreon

Be aware that these authority figures or who could be men in black are the real people who make decisions for major historic events and are fully capable for evading the law - as the law protects them, and slows exposure through regulation. Speculation and investigation is one of our ally though it can get to the point of life and death. If your willing to attempt to expose these individuals for there crimes of course. Which takes a great deal of effort, which is not being done here... Than get off your arse and start a career in the FBI

/7A

[edit on 16/4/2007 by 7Ayreon]

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 01:25 PM by Brother Stormhammer

HAARP is really convenient....as far as I can tell from reading the links supplied by folks here, the HAARP array can:

1) Control the weather
2) Shoot down incoming missiles
3) Cause earthquakes on demand
4) Boil off huge chunks of the Earth's atmosphere
5) Find oil and gas deposits
6) Communicate with aliens
7) Control minds
And, last but not least, it can leave your breath minty fresh!

Why in heaven's name did we bother spending all that money on the last generation of aircraft carriers and missiles? All we need is HAARP! It can do *everything*. Of course, most of the people making the claims seem awfully short on evidence, or even on vague theoretical foundations about *how* it can do all these things.

I've asked before, on at least four other threads, and I still haven't gotten a good answer, so here we go again. Can somebody please show me some proof that HAARP can control weather? A link to a reputable scientific journal article will do.

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 01:43 PM by Valombre

There is a good site about HAARP project. On the links below you will find some information that researcher find out. I've heard a similar story about HAARP research in a farm own by the CIA ink Roberval, Quebec. I will try to find something and post it after.

illuminati.over-blog.net...

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 01:54 PM by Tom Bedlam

Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
HAARP is really convenient....

I think you forgot a few:

8) projects holograms on the ionosphere
9) is a death ray which can be used to kill individuals
10) can "absorb" all power in a remote area
11) can cause EMPs anywhere
12) can cause super-galactic death lightning
13) can watch you inside your house
14) can project images and sound into your mind
15) can open ozone holes so your enemies are UV'd to death

I'm sure that's not all. I'm constantly amazed at its amazing versatility.

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:02 PM by Valombre

There a little something about weather control in Quebec. This is a small text that i found that are talking about weather control around Roberval Quebec. I'm looking forward some media information about this.

thecanadianencyclopedia.com...

reply posted on 16-4-2007 @ 02:40 PM by Eden

@notgov
Can you tell us why you believe that only after 9/11 the government was controlling the weather?

The US government and it's weather experiments started long before 9/11. Yes, you see jet contrails. Yes, you see lingering trails in the sky that 'were not there' before. Yes, those trails can increase cirrus cloud cover. That does not mean anything nefarious is going down. Chaff is very useful as radar countermeasure Chaff can also explain why so many people(mostly chemtrailers) see spider web like glittering fibers over trees/plants/etc.

the government can modify the weather, chaos theory does not allow them control it

example:
\\VIETNAM: Operations POPEYE to increase rainfall over the Ho Chi Minh trail to slow the transportation of supplies from the north conducted from Udorn, Thailand from 1967 to 1972 China Lake facility major involvement

\\cloud seeding to increase precipitation ie: muddying dirt roads decreasing traction, flood fields & rivers; increase cirrus cloud cover to deny visual satellite & high altitude recons

reply posted on 21-4-2007 @ 07:23 PM by resistor

Originally posted by notgov
ever since 911 the weather has increasingly got worse the gover ment wanted more cloud cover fo military purposes now the cant get it under control so global warming is there out keeps everyones attention off the gov..........

Classis psyop tactic. I wonder how many people this will subtly influence to think that anyone who believes the government can manipulate the weather is an illiterate nonsensical boob?

reply posted on 21-4-2007 @ 09:20 PM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
Can someone provide some evidence that the government can 'control the weather'?

How about evidence that they intend to?

"Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025"
"US aerospace forces can "own the weather," as they "own the night" now."
"It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes."
"Though a high-risk effort, the investment to do so would pay high rewards."
"Weather modification offers both the commercial sector and the military greatly enhanced capabilities."
"Its application in the military arena is a natural development as well. Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally"
"The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies to achieve global awareness, reach, and power."
web.archive.org...://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

That's one source. There are others.

Because of this many people now declare that they can and already do it.

My research in the military's artificial intelligence programs brought me to this subject. Most specifically NASA's role in the broad multi-agency multi-program effort... the Intelligent Archives.

Now i don't know whether they can already manipulate weathers or at what scale, but I suspect that if they can it's only on a "small" scale as they're efforts in AI/IA seem to indicate that the system is a primary catalyst for their goals.

My latest video puts it altogether best, but it's a scaled down version of what it could be in regards to the quotes used in it which were all selected for their effectiveness in creating a streamlined narrative from scores of documents and programs.

Google Video Link

Vide o Resource Page

ATS Discussion Thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 22-4-2007 @ 09:02 AM by Brother Stormhammer

Not to sound contentious, but that "Air Force 2025" web page isn't a 'source'...it's the USAF's letter to Santa Claus. Given the length of time that it's taken the USAF to perform the simple (at least simple compared to most of the things on the 'AF 2025' web site) task of turning the F-22 from proposal to prototype, I wouldn't count on seeing anything slated for 2025 until *at least* 2050.

My opinion of that site aside, the O.P. seems concerned that the government is *currently* modifying weather on a global scale for military advantage...not in 2025, but since 2001...and I still don't see anything from a reputable source that indicates that we can do that. I see a lot of sites wishing that we could, and touting the benefits of doing it (AF 2025 among them)...but none putting forth any evidence that we currently have the capability.

reply posted on 22-4-2007 @ 09:23 AM by Tom Bedlam

As far as 2025 goes, Ignorance, I will bet you don't have a clue where that came from, who wrote it, or why.

The sites you got your info from...did they tell you? Did they just excerpt the good bits and toss it out there with the implication that it was some sort of secret paper they'd dug up for you? That's what usually happens, because it's just not all that mysterious or conspiratorial if they don't.

Before you get all hot and bothered, you should take a look at who wrote the paper, for whom, and for what reason.

2025 was written at Maxwell AFB by students at Air University, including a lot of AFROTC cadets. It was a "set of projected futures". It wasn't some RAND analysis of current technology. It was a senior project.

But they never mention that, do they?

This and the appendix in Vol 4 Chapter 3 describing the "holographic projector" (btw, this idea came from a Hollywood producer they invited as a speaker, not Sandia or something) are often cited but are always taken out of context.

Anyways, here is a URL for the website archives. It looks like they've messed around with the site and broken some of the links but if you use this index page you can generally find anything. The links within the pages look like they're messed up, so you may have to return to the index to move from page to page instead of using the links inside the pages themselves. Some work, some don't. You should read the preface material stem to stern, there's a lot of it, to get a really good idea of the reasons that they wrote it. It doesn't describe on-going projects or "secret technology" - they were trying to blue-sky what it might be like 30 years in the future. And no, I don't think they "revealed the true secret military capability!!11!!" to the AFROTC cadets and new little LT's at tactics school.

csat.au.af.mil...

From the intro:

The Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force, General Ronald R. Fogleman, tasked the Air University at Maxwell AFB, AL to look 30 years into the future to identify the concepts, capabilities and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the 21st century. The Air University commander led a team of students and faculty from the Air University’s Air War College and Air Command and Staff College; scientists and technologists from the Air Force Institute of Technology, located at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH; Air Force Academy and AFROTC cadets from around the country; and selected academic and business leaders in the civilian community across the nation in the 10-month effort to meet General Fogleman’s tasking.

The resulting study is called Air Force 2025 or 2025 for short.

edit: formatting error

[edit on 22-4-2007 by Tom Bedlam]

reply posted on 22-4-2007 @ 02:13 PM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

What makes you think I'm going to get hot and bothered?

Lady, I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of.
-Robet DeNiro, in RONIN

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
And no, I don't think they "revealed the true secret military capability!!11!!"

Nice. I love how you're implying that's what I asserted. I asserted intentions, not capabilities. But it's not like the DOD hasn't been trying to modify the weather for decades:

www.allthingspass.com...

Or like they couldn’t have bought or matched the Soviets capabilities:

Could this devastation have been avoided? Could Katrina itself have been avoided as a death-dealing hurricane?
The answers to both questions are probably “Yes.” The ability of Russia and the United States to create storms of this magnitude definitely exists.
On Oct. 2, 1992, The Wall Street Journal reported that a Russian company, Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc., has weather control equipment for sale and uses the advertising slogan of “weather made to order.”
www.americanfreepress.net...

Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
isn't a 'source'

Why wasn’t there a disclaimer like you normally find in front of academic papers from ‘normal’ cadets?

Benign Weather Modification
Disclaimer
Opinions, conclusions, and recommendations expressed or implied within are solely those of the author(s), and do not necessarily represent the views of Air University, the United States Air Force, the Department of Defense, or any other US government agency. Cleared for public release: distribution unlimited.
www.au.af.mil...

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
which were all selected for their effectiveness in creating a streamlined narrative from scores of documents and programs.
...
There are others.

That study:

Here’s a direct .mil link to the PDF:
stinet.dtic.mil...
(Also, Here’s other declassified .mil documents: Link)

A declassified version of a 2-year study prepared by the Air War College and obtained by PM reveals that this is no dreamland scenario. The Pentagon's top meteorologists believe the United States will be ready to fight--and win--a weather war early in the next century.
www.popularmechanics.com...

The study was called Air Force 2025. What follows are the unclassified final results of that study. They offer a rich glimpse into the future- suggesting the clear imperatives and the important risks and opportunities the United States Air Force might face at the start of the new century.
web.archive.org...://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
2025 was written at Maxwell AFB by students at Air University, including a lot of AFROTC cadets.

The Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force, General Ronald R. Fogleman, tasked the Air University at Maxwell AFB, AL to look 30 years into the future to identify the concepts, capabilities and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the 21st century.
The Air University commander led a team of students and faculty from the Air University's Air War College and Air Command and Staff College; scientists and technologists from the Air Force Institute of Technology, located at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH; Air Force Academy and AFROTC cadets from around the country; and selected academic and business leaders in the civilian community across the nation in the 10-month effort to meet General Foglemans tasking.
web.archive.org...://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

by Col Tamzy J. House, Lt Col James B. Near, Jr., LTC William B. Shields (USA), Maj Ronald J. Celentano, Maj David M. Husband, Maj Ann E. Mercer, Maj James E. Pugh
web.archive.org...

I’d hardly call them cadets, but whatever cadets were used in the overall study I’d bet that they were the best and brightest as they weren’t simply whatever ones were bored at the academy, they were “cadets from around the country”. Call it a hunch, but most of those same cadets probably remain in the Air Force etc living out their ‘dreams’ here, but those are still the cadets that [I]helped[/I] in this overall project.

It seems that the Maxwell AFB AIR WAR COLL already had some background in this area:

Link

It being a “college” doesn’t really change much either, as if you’re knowledgeable about developments in areas such as artificial intelligence, neuroscience and so on you know that many of the greatest advances come from the efforts of university campuses and virtually all national technology agencies recruit them for such purposes. Here we’re talking about a military “University”.

Evidence they 'began' funding it:

Detailed Fields of Science and Engineering; atmospheric sciences
aeronomy; extraterrestrial atmospheres; meteorology; solar; weather modification

SOURCE: RAND, based on National Science Foundation/Division of Science Resources Studies, Federal Funds for
Research and Development: Fiscal Years 1999, 2000, and 2001
www.rand.org...