Evolution is the change of a species through millions of years by means of reproduction(natural selection) and mutations.

We have currently a very detailed grid in the family hominid of the change between quadruped and bipedal movement by the slow change in the pelvic bone. We see the changes one step at a time. Hell we even see the change in our current history. Caucasians have become by percentage at least a foot to over a foot taller then their ancestors during the 17th century in Europe.

Hell evolution is so straight forward and true it can be understood with these simple questions. Other then having a twin, do you look like anybody else that you know? Is your DNA unique to you?

Here is a comparison my professor in Anthropology told me. Evolution is like chicken soup. The core of chicken soup is water, chicken broth and chicken pieces. Some places may have chicken soup made with celery, carrots on top of the basic ingredients. It's still chicken soup. Yet some places will have potatoes and add pepper or hot spices to the soup. Yet it's still chicken soup but what if you started adding rice to your soup. People like it with the rice it easy to make. It's available in the area and is part of normal existance in the area. Slowly the chicken soup gets more and more rice put into it becoming thicker and thicker next thing you know is that chicken soup has become risotto and that point on it's become the norm. The question is at what point is it soup or risotto? Simple we will never know to that level precision. The only thing we know is that people went from chicken soup to risotto and they are still putting things in the pot.

Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang theory or any religious concept of the soul and purpose of existance. It's just the concept of our change through time. Like the creation of races and physical attributes that help our existance in our living location.

B.A. Anthropology

Intelligent Design?
Evolution?
Creationism?

Yes. I vote for all of the above. I think its a mixture of all of the three combined over the millenia. Intelligent design has some amazing features to the theory, yet it does not explain everything. AS far as evolution, there is clear evidence for evolution, from frogs and fish to humans. The only one thats a little sketchy in my book is creationism. However, many scientists, whom previously needed pure facts and science before belief, now believe in some higher force in the universe.

So that's why I think across time all of the above have been involved in our present state of being-but who knows, maybe we are like the universe existing within the charm around the Men-in-Black kitty cat neck.

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Originally posted by thehumbleone

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

sorry, i can't return the sentiment on this one. i wish you a good die.

Ditto, but you first.

i meant day, sorry about that.....

i'm just incredibly rushed today and hurried today with work work work. this is the only time i'm taking off for a break at all.

You know what Intelligent Design is? Its giving up.

Its saying "we can't be bothered to figure this out ourselves so were going to ascribe it to some great supernatural force that cannot be proven".

Its lazy. The people who promote it are holding scientific research back and dumbing things down for future generations. The (terrifying) extension of the concept of Intelligent Design is that science moves backwards, into the dark ages again, because it is far far too easy to say "god did it" and walk away, rather than think it out for ourselves.

Ah yes. God/Satan are promoting evolution to test your faith/condemn you to eternal torment.
Seriously.
As nefermore 'eloquently' pointed out intelligent design is a cop-out. Rather than even consider making scientific discoveries they seek to return to the 'dark ages' of science.
Also what about the 'junk DNA' floating around in our bodies? If God/a higher power miracululously created humanity out of nothing what purpose does the 'junk' DNA have?

Fine:If you want to stubbornly refuse that evolution is even remotely possible could you be so kind as to take me back in time.
And please don't pull out Bible phrases to reinforce your point.

Originally posted by thehumbleone
I know, how about evolutionists go to heck and stop forcing their beliefs on me.

Evolution never was, is, or will be a fact.

Have a horrible day.

The hpyocrisy of your statement is astounding.

Originally posted by neformore
You know what Intelligent Design is? Its giving up.

Its saying "we can't be bothered to figure this out ourselves so were going to ascribe it to some great supernatural force that cannot be proven".

Supernatural force? I think you are ascribing a religious context to intelligent design. Why? Can some alien species have been responsible for genetic modifications? For genetic inventions and creation? Think of the human species, where will be in 1000 years. How advanced will we be? I believe we will have mastered genetics, mastered physics and science, learned all the (or most ) of the secrets, interstellar travel etc., possibly even immortality (in a ways).

I try to keep an open mind and never say anything is impossible, thats a mighty strong word.

In the spirit of compromise I am willing to concede that the funnymentalists have not evolved if they are willing to concede that the rest of us have.

Originally posted by neformore
You know what Intelligent Design is? Its giving up.

Its saying "we can't be bothered to figure this out ourselves so were going to ascribe it to some great supernatural force that cannot be proven".

Its lazy. The people who promote it are holding scientific research back and dumbing things down for future generations. The (terrifying) extension of the concept of Intelligent Design is that science moves backwards, into the dark ages again, because it is far far too easy to say "god did it" and walk away, rather than think it out for ourselves.

The problem is, evolutionary theory gave rise to equally horrible things like euthanasia. Genocide is often based on the criteria of a ruling group who decide if your life is worth living or not, as the afterthought of a survival of the fittest scenario. The gene pool must be perfected!

This has always been a problem on the planet, but it wasn't until the rise of evolutionary theory that it became a religion, so to speak. Before, there had to at least be a survival reason to kill off your enemies. Now, the people don't even have to be your enemies. They can just be genetically flawed, terminally ill or in a persistent vegetative state. They can be too expensive to care for. Too old. Too handicapped. They can just be fat. Have big noses. Or a clubbed foot. They can be from a particular part of the world. A particular religious background. Have a lack of religious background. Have the wrong color hair, the wrong color eyes, the wrong color skin or be born the wrong sex, or even be conceived at all.

The list is endless and evolutionary theory is the pass key to all this killing. Why? Because it's now one big survival of the fittest scenario. It's no longer about humanity. Now it's about survival of the guys with the most cash, the most education and the most power. Period.

Now we have a college professor calling for the murder of 90 billion people via airborne ebola virus (Which is a most horrific way to die) and college educated people actually giving him a standing ovation.

Watch any scifi about end of the world scenarios and tell me I'm wrong. It's always the guy and the gal with the perfect teeth and the college diplomas, on the ship to the new Eden. Seriously. If you don't see it, you're not being honest with yourself.

Originally posted by undo
The problem is, evolutionary theory gave rise to equally horrible things like euthanasia. Genocide is often based on the criteria of a ruling group who decide if your life is worth living or not, as the afterthought of a survival of the fittest scenario. The gene pool must be perfected!

Euthanasia is used to help people that are in a vegetative, painful state to die according to their will.
Genocide happened long before Darwin was born. Plus, Darwin and his theory never stated that this group of humans was superior to that group of humans. If someone does, they have seriously misunderstood evolution.

This has always been a problem on the planet, but it wasn't until the rise of evolutionary theory that it became a religion, so to speak.

Never has been a religion. Religions are based on faith,a holy book and preaching. Evolution is based on reason and evidence.

Now it's about survival of the guys with the most cash, the most education and the most power. Period.

That's called capitalism, not evolution.

Now we have a college professor calling for the murder of 90 billion people via airborne ebola virus (Which is a most horrific way to die) and college educated people actually giving him a standing ovation.

That's quite an ignorant thing to say indeed, and extremely dangerous. But we also have fundies that want to go back to the good old' crusades, Racists burning crosses...

okay, allow me to give you an example;

The Ebola Virus Dr. Doom guy, also commented that he heartily applauded China's One Child policy, because the planet needed fewer people and at least, they were doing something about it.

But you know how they did it? They looked the other way for 20 years while their citizens killed off 50,000,000 females. And it hasn't stopped yet. I think it's up in the 65,000,000 mark now.

So here we have a survival of the fitttest scenario, based on evolutionary theory, that has condoned as a matter of necessity, the biggest genocide in human history. It doesn't matter if the results were because the people had traditional beliefs, as the government of China already knew that. They already knew what would happen, and did absolutely nothing to stop it. Because, in the cold harsh world of reality, you're only as important as the dollar bills or yen over your head or the color of your skin or the organs in your body, or ...your gender (and this gets worse before it gets better).

This is not what life is about. It's about finding solutions that you wouldn't mind having applied to yourself or your loved ones, were you in the same situation.

Darwin and his colleagues thought very little of the other races on the planet. Their entire theory was based on the idea that white man was at the pinnacle of evolution and the other races were not homo sapiens but various lower level species between amoebas, monkeys and cave men. One of them said that the average black man was the intellectual equivalent of an 11 year old homo sapiens, and he didn't just say it as a matter of course, he actually had it in one of the first books written to support evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory started off its life as white supremacy science. If you buy into it and you aren't caucasian, you're poking yourself in the eye.

Originally posted by undo
But you know how they did it? They looked the other way for 20 years while their citizens killed off 50,000,000 females. And it hasn't stopped yet. I think it's up in the 65,000,000 mark now.

Blame Darwin! Of course !!

So here we have a survival of the fitttest scenario, based on evolutionary theory, that has condoned as a matter of necessity, the biggest genocide in human history. It doesn't matter if the results were because the people had traditional beliefs, as the government of China already knew that. They already knew what would happen, and did absolutely nothing to stop it. Because, in the cold harsh world of reality, you're only as important as the dollar bills or yen over your head

It's the yuan in china, not the yen. Study human interaction and history, the things you talk about started thousands of years ago, not in 1859.

Darwin and his colleagues thought very little of the other races on the planet. Their entire theory was based on the idea that white man was at the pinnacle of evolution and the other races were not homo sapiens but various lower level species between amoebas, monkeys and cave men. One of them said that the average black man was the intellectual equivalent of an 11 year old homo sapiens, and he didn't just say it as a matter of course, he actually had it in one of the first books written to support evolutionary theory.

Like all europeans in the 19th century did.He was mainly opposing the civilised nations of Europe and the "savage" tribes. But I tell you what, at that time most people were christian, and thought black people were apes, nowadays most people are atheists and accept evolution, yet consider blacks as human beings, strange isn't it?

Evolutionary theory started off its life as white supremacy science. If you buy into it and you aren't caucasian, you're poking yourself in the eye.

Well, evolutionnists now are anything but supremacists
I'm Irish, and in the 19th century an English naturalist said the Irish were white negros and ape like... White supremacy?

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I love it! Creationists fighting Evolutionists. One is trying to disprove God through some round about way for what reason I dont know the other is trying to justify its faith to a group that obviously doesnt care.

Youre both idiots.

While everyone jumps to defend one side or the other waving their stupid foam fingers in the air and calling for blood the reality of it all goes ignored. I dont know why Im here or where I came from but playing one side of a two sided argument isnt helping anyone.

These two arent any different than the political two. Left or Right yell and fight all the while nothing gets done for anybody.

Im a firm believer that people who say "think outside the box" should be drug into the street and shot but Im willing to risk it all and suggest to you two-party people out there that there just might be a 3rd, 4th, 5th, even some hidden undiscovered 6th option out there that as long as we keep complaining about whats taught in government schools and trying to disprove our neighbors faith for whatever reason we'll never find.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I love it! Creationists fighting Evolutionists. One is trying to disprove God through some round about way for what reason I dont know the other is trying to justify its faith to a group that obviously doesnt care.

How about you read the topic before replying, we're not talking about god, lots of believers accept evolution too. Who is the idiot?

Originally posted by DarkSide

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I love it! Creationists fighting Evolutionists. One is trying to disprove God through some round about way for what reason I dont know the other is trying to justify its faith to a group that obviously doesnt care.

How about you read the topic before replying, we're not talking about god, lots of believers accept evolution too. Who is the idiot?

I read through the first two pages of posts and thats exactly what was going on.
It seemed like the topic of the post was essentially ignored from the get go.

Sorry if I missed something.

DarkSide,

The issue at hand is what evolution ends up meaning to people, on a personal level. It's an absolution of personal responsibilty, couched in science. It should concern you that evolution grew out of such an enviroment, and that men responsible for starting it, were just as likely to fudge their results and make things up, as not. Afterall, they were trying to prove they were the pinnacle, the top of the food chain. Has anyone ever went back over their results to see just how much of it was actually legit or is that even possible?

Another problem with it is, dating idiosyncracies.

The geological layers of an area are dated. Each layer is assigned a geological period. If a dig transpires there and fossils or items are found that are not considered part of that timeframe, the item is not re-dated. It's tossed out as contaminated.

Originally posted by undo
DarkSide,

The issue at hand is what evolution ends up meaning to people, on a personal level. It's an absolution of personal responsibilty, couched in science. It should concern you that evolution grew out of such an enviroment, and that men responsible for starting it, were just as likely to fudge their results and make things up, as not. Afterall, they were trying to prove they were the pinnacle, the top of the food chain. Has anyone ever went back over their results to see just how much of it was actually legit or is that even possible?

It's not an absolution of personal responsability, no where does it say people are predetermined.

If you actually read the origin of species, he's talking about cool stuff like birds, insects, domestic animals, specie classification etc . It's not Mein kampf

And yes generations of scientists studied the theory and perfected it since.