Masonic Rocks?

Originally posted by maestro46
This is really cool and everything man, but one thing comes to my head - as far as I know most people who try to find stuff out about the masons and actually get on the track of something important have a high possibility of ending up dead. If that is some important masonic artifact and you're posting it up online...I don't know man. Either way this is really cool.

Pics are great. Lol, when all science approaches fail take up the hammer.

Regards,
Maestro

There is one in every crowd....congratulations...this time it is you.
Talking about something you dont understand is one thing.,making somebody fear for their life needlessly is just asinine and childish. You should be ashamed.

Ignore the moron 187specialist. When I went searching for Masonic answers I got a petition and a lifetime of friendship and brotherhood

the rocks were found around the city of Dover Tn. The part of Stewart Co., TN (which is where dover is located) that my wifes mother grew up in was a valley and in the late 1930's the government bought all the land and made everyone move and they built KY Dam which when it flooded covered the entire plains region in over 40 feet of water which is where my wifes mom grew up which was supposed to be close to their homplace. The same thing happened to my grandmother and her family they had to leave their home to make a lake,alot of peoples families were affected by this.This flooding was what created lake barkley and Ky lake better known as the LBL.

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Freakin' sweet find!
That's some history you're holding right there boyo.
They probably are officers jewels.
This is hot.
I'm thoroughly impressed.
Congratulations.

I'm going to keep my eye on this, please update us as to any more information that you might acquire.

If you ever plan on getting rid of these sell them to me first. I have a place in my collection next to my poseid coin from 475 B.C.

What a find!
Here's an other idea for information. These objects, for me at least, fall into the catagory of 'anomalies', in that their origin somewhat anomalous. You might try sending the photos(you gotta use snail-mail) to Mr. William Corliss at Science Frontiers, P.O. Box 107, Glen Arm, MD 21057, USA
Tel: +1 (410) 668 6047.

Science Frontiers (www.science-frontiers.com...) is a treasure house of anomalous finds of all types reported in scientific journals. Mr. Corliss may certainly be able to guide you to good scources of information or even people to talk to.

Finds like your relative's are not so uncommon as you might think. You might have a great piece of history in your hands. I suggest that for the time being you keep them in a safety deposit box.

B.

And don't believe the detractors. No one is going to kill you, not unless you try to save the world first.

It is just great luck, like having a metorite land in your backyard or digging up dinosaur bones in your garden. There is a reason they chose you.

Ross, William Bradford (1873-1924) — also known as W. B. Ross — of Cheyenne, Laramie County, Wyo. Born in Dover, Stewart County, Tenn., December 4, 1873. Son of Ambrose B. Ross and Sue (Gray) Ross; married, September 11, 1902, to Nellie Davis Tayloe. Democrat. Governor of Wyoming, 1923-24; died in office 1924; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Wyoming, 1924. Episcopalian. Member, Freemasons; Kiwanis. Died October 2, 1924. Interment at Lakeview Cemetery, Cheyenne, Wyo.

so he was a freemason - Freemason son? Can you track Down

Ambrose B. Ross - His Dad

That was from here. Would the DAR have rolls? My cousin is VF chapter Regent and they have a convention coming up in DC. I could ask her this summer.

My feel is Confederate, so they may have rolls or a census? Would the US census be helpful?

This also looks promising. TSSR (Tennessee Society Sons of the Revolution) may have a few good leads. But personally I would give these folks a call. Its local and I have a shiny penny they would be eager to help too

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Originally posted by Matyas
And don't believe the detractors. No one is going to kill you, not unless you try to save the world first.

It is just great luck, like having a metorite land in your backyard or digging up dinosaur bones in your garden. There is a reason they chose you.

I agree. I am a Master Mason myself. Noone is going to harm you, let alone over some interesting artifacts. Statements like that are ludicrous.

These are are VERY interesting find. You should certainly send some pics to a Masonic Lodge and see what they tell you. If nothing else they can probably tell you one way or the other if they have anything at all to do with the masons.
Cheers on your great items!

These appear to be Masonic symbols (in reference to your photos page):

1. Top row, third from the right is called the Compass and the Square symbol.
2. The L shaped one (2nd row, third to right) is most likely just the Square part.
3. The G is a Masonic symbol for "God" which usually appears with the other symbols listed above.

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4. The photo on the 4th row, 1st column is a common Masonic symbol which is the letter G set within a hexagram. It shows up a lot on this page if you look closely:
www.setmasons.org...

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I don’t know about the symbology, but I would like to put forth a guess on the stone type.

To me it appears to be Soapstone, which was commonly used by Native Americans to make the bowl of their Peace pipes, also known as pipestone. So it would not be surprising to find this type of stone used to carve your items, as it is still used to this day for that very purpose. Its softness, and smooth quality make it an excellent choice for small detailed sculpture.

If you compare this piece:
Or this one:

With this one:
Which just happens to be the lid of an ornately carved stone box like the one from your story.

I am sure that you’ll agree that there is a similarity in the look of the stone. Soapstone also contains Talc, which would fit your description of the white chunks. The weight of soapstone is also very light, same as your pieces there…

Anyway, I hope that is somewhat helpful, good luck with finding out the rest.

Edit to add:
Oh I do have one question that struck me, how do you know that the head is supposed to be John the Baptists?

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just a thought , but they could have been buried for a curse
or because someone might have thought that if they were found
in their possion - sp? - they might have been labeled a witch or warlock .
just a thought . good story .

Back in those days masonic lodges sometimes met outside, on hilltops or low dells. The term "Blue Lodge" refers to the blue sky above. The site where they were found may have been such a meeting place. The amount of time the box was buried could cause the lid to fuse shut and the pendant chords to decompose. Maybe after each lodge meeting they would bury the box next to a small tree for safe keeping. A few of the symbols do not match what is used today but being so long ago, customs may not have been as unified as they are today.
If you wanted, you could contact the Grand Lodge of your state and see if they would be interested in putting the stones on display in their masonic museum. You could loan them to the museum and retain ownership. This would allow a larger number of historians and experts to view them.
Also you have my thanks for bringing this bit of history to light. I will print the pictures and bring them to my next lodge meeting to get some opinions from some of the more well studied members.

I agree with Red Pill.
I have just asked a high ranking member of a Scottish and French lodge over here in the UK and he said..

"They are used in lodges to demonstrate the difference between a rough aslar and a smooth ashlar as you progress through masonary these stones figuratively get smoother ie like the stones you've had rough edges rubbed off. John The Baptist is the patron saint as is St John see what day is there saints day, its a clue to the origines of old freemasonary know as the ancients. It is not juju, these will be a lodge which meet under the stars and perhaps forgot the location of the lodge equipment. If they ever make it back and don't find the emblems of mortality that would really freak them out. I would be send then to grand lodge or at least notify them you have them."

It all sounds fair to me. Good Luck

Looks like you guys/gals are covering the bases on this one pretty well.
The only not yet touched upon is the tree. It stands to reason whoever put the box there planted the tree over top of it. It may be to late to find out, but can you recall what species of tree it was?

It seems Tennessee was under the Jurisdiction of the North Carolina Lodges until 1813. I would address inquiry to Masonic officials in that state as a start.

Just a random thought....Isn't there a Dover in Scotland. Is Dover, Tenn. named for the Dover in Scotland? If so could this be a clue as to who brought Masonic influence to this region? Thank you .

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Amazing artifacts,

from my reserch,G does not only stand for god it is also Geometry, as well as a representation of our galaxy looking down at it.
In my opinion,the ladder is Jacobs ladder, it looks like the 2 little things might be the "2 keys" Solomons key to the temple, as well as Hiram Abiff key, although there are 3 keys to masonry, the 2 heads could be the 2 guardians to the temple of Solomon, Jakin and Boaz, although they are 2 towers of stone at the temple ,The 2 guardians go back to Sumeria Annunaki seals depicting the 2 towers as "cherubum".guarding the entrance to EA and later Bilblicaly guarding the entrance to EDEN

Originally posted by Stewart Lewis
It stands to reason whoever put the box there planted the tree over top of it. It may be to late to find out, but can you recall what species of tree it was?

I would be tempted to speculate that the tree could just as much as been used as a marker so the hidden box could be found on a regular basis.

Just a random thought....Isn't there a Dover in Scotland. Is Dover, Tenn. named for the Dover in Scotland? If so could this be a clue as to who brought Masonic influence to this region? Thank you .

And the only Dover I know of in the UK is in fact on the sough coast of England and is a busy port crossing over to mainland Europe.

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the 2 heads could be the 2 guardians to the temple of Solomon, Jakin and Boaz, although they are 2 towers of stone at the temple ,The 2 guardians go back to Sumeria Annunaki seals depicting the 2 towers as "cherubum".guarding the entrance to EA and later Bilblicaly guarding the entrance to EDEN

Sorry for any confusion but there is only one head I took 2 pics to get a better view of both sides.

Great find - Kudos to your wifes family! Questions please answer if you can:

*Was the box truly in the root system, or mixed up after excavation?
*Who exactly dug it up?
*If the box was dug up in 1830, is this date true and verifiable? History of the house being built could be used to date the find more accurately etc...

These look like masonic symbols, but could they be similar to what the swastica is, an ancient symbol, which was a sacred symbol in Hindu - Dharmic religions and was appropriated by the nazis in the 30's.

Could the symbology be indian (as proposed in another post) or other origin?

Also we all know how facts can be stretched over time, and this being a long time from the find, cold the date be younger than the story as told to? Also can the tree part be exagerrated as well, maybe it was only a 20 year old tree etc...

I know some of this is hard if not impossible to verify or 'prove' but this is a pretty amazing find and we need more INFORMATION man!

Also, what about the smashed box, probably long gone or was it saved, this too could provide some more clues to the origin...



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