British Hostages NOT tortured even remotely!

Yea, you better believe another thing to. They complained they were kept in isolation, well they probably did more for their protection than for punishment.
Can you imagine putting 15 British Sailors and Marines into the general population of an Iranian prison?
No way they wanted these people hurt.. Was it a little traumatic for them? Im sure it was a LOT traumatic.
Hell if i was one of them and they told me to either confess we crossed the line into Iran OR spends 7 years in an Iranian prison, you better believe I would say it and probably anything else they told me to say.
It isnt dishonorable, its called survival and its instinctual.

Which is exactly what you should do AAC. Gather as much information on the subject as possible. I think that people here accuse you of being sympathetic to only the Iranians, but its ok for then to be completely one sided with the US. Why? Because you live in America? I thought we were here to Deny ignorance. Why not try to look at this situation from every possible angle before coming to a conclusion. My mind couldn't help point at the fact to me that we've been drooling at the chops to get into Iran(look out Syria, ur next) and considering public support for our current war is weak at best, they are looking for any angle possible to drum up support for an Invasion. Also as mentioned earlier, there are book deals in the works. And trust me, these stories are gonna be told so they make for an intersting read. So lets keeps these things in mind before we go Iran. How about we but out of their buisness and stop acting like we own the earth. I'm just think that we need to stop and think before we get ourselves into WWIII.

Kleverone,

You obviously seem like you know what you're talking about.

Ladies and gentlemen, that's something we like to call... *waves hand up and down* Shake! *waves hand side to side* And Bake! Dap knuckles!

*That just happened*

AAC

Well I think we are past due for WW3. The Iranian govt doesn't seem to be less encouraging in that prospect. It's only a matter of time before they get access to nuclear technology.

Originally posted by kozmo
Now that being said, I do NOT believe that they were "Tortured" just as I do not believe that we, the US is "Torturing" our captives. They were treated pretty similarly to how we are treating the enemy combatants in our care.

Of course the US treats them right!







Now, I dont partically give a monkeys ass what you do to them, just dont pretend you dont.

I really wish many people see those picks before they're ripped off here. Dude, I hope they take it easy on you.

People! This is what USA does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAC

Well I think we are past due for WW3.

You are insane. I hope either your joking or I am taking you out of context?

The Iranian govt doesn't seem to be less encouraging in that prospect.

Vauge, care to give examples?

It's only a matter of time before they get access to nuclear technology.

You mean like the Nuclear technology that we have? And China? And Isreal? And Russia? You mean the kind that is capable of generating cost effective power?

Big deal, these ignorant soldiers stack them in a naked pyramid and Iraqis cut their prisoners heads off, with a dull rusty knife.
so hmm which prisoners got the worst of it?
well, im off to bed now..

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I really wish many people see those picks before they're ripped off here. Dude, I hope they take it easy on you.

People! This is what USA does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAC

You didnt just confuse the Iraqis with the Iranians did you?

Cause that would be just rediculous.

Iraqi insurgents are indeed cutting the heads off their captives. The US are indeed defiling their captives.
THE IRANIANS HAVE NOT DONE EITHER OF THAT.

If that was an accident, then ok, but if you really were comparing the Iranians to the Iraqis, that was just stupid.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Big deal, these ignorant soldiers stack them in a naked pyramid and Iraqis cut their prisoners heads off, with a dull rusty knife.
so hmm which prisoners got the worst of it?
well, im off to bed now..

Another classic from KrOnOs


It shouldn't be a matter of who got the worst of it. This is not the 3rd grade. Also we are talking about Iran not Iraq, but I'll humor you. You are refering to the United Stated of America, a country that is supposed to lead by example. You have to remember that other countries also see our actions. It about Domestic Relations. So yeah, your right it is a Big Deal.



[edit on 10-4-2007 by kleverone]

The U.S. by all means must prevent unstable governments from accessing nuclear technology. Iran's leadership is walking a fine line and they will get what they are asking for in due time. WW3 in a way is already happening, we are at war with terrorism and Iran isn't out of question, because they have been tied to terrorist activities before. It's unfortunate, but Iran must be handled eventually.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by laiguana]

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
These stories you claim are true is what these soldiers are going to be profiting from when they sell their autobiographies. Also, these stories are what the brits needed to have published to save face.

No they are not profiting from it yet

news.bbc.co.uk...
The Ministry of Defence has banned personnel from selling their stories to the media until a review of the rules governing the issue is completed.

Defence Secretary Des Browne said the review was aimed at making rules consistent across the armed forces.

It follows a row after two Royal Navy crew members held in Iran sold stories.

And why do they need to save face exactly? It all boils down to where they were when they were captured doesn't it? Why on Earth would they need to save face over what the Iranians did AFTER that?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreationFor the record. I am choosing to believe PICTURES for solid proof with seemingly genuine smiles. You are believing rhetoric from a country that needed to save face. BTW, why didn't the sailors come out in the beginning and say they were allowed to play chess and laugh amoungst eachother. Becasue they SAID they were in isolation. Did that pic look like isolation?

AAC

Three photos from two whole weeks is hardly solid proof of anything. That is three seconds from over 300 hours.

i , in no shape , form or fasion believe that they were tortured .
i know that it's standard to have a " debriefing " but i just thought something was a little off with this one . i think they were told to
stick to a story and after all this cools down , if it ever does that is ,
we'll find out a few years from now . just m2c .

Originally posted by laiguana
The U.S. by all means must prevent unstable governments from accessing nuclear technology. Iran's leadership is walking a fine line and they will get what they are asking for in due time. WW3 in a way is already happening, we are at war with terrorism and Iran isn't out of question, because they have been tied to terrorist activities before. It's unfortunate, but Iran must be handled eventually.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by laiguana]

So you truly believe that
A.) The US has the right to dertermine who can posess nuclear tech.
B.) The US has the ability to determine what countries are stable and unstable, because the sure know how to stabalize a country. (Iraq anyone)

What Terrorist activities have Iran been tied to? What recent activity of Terrorism merits the "handling fo Iran"?

Please offer examples of you are going to make such bold accusations.

Ok if the US kept out of it all let every other country do as they please then one comes along with nukes and nukes the US you'd all soon change your tune. its up to bigger countries like the US and other countries to make sure the smaller stable countries are not attacked by the likes of Iran, Did Iran not call for Israel to be wiped off the map! and you believe these guys ain't looking for nuclear weapons because if you do your Blind to the actual truth.

Originally posted by u4ria
Ok if the US kept out of it all let every other country do as they please then one comes along with nukes and nukes the US you'd all soon change your tune.

Unless a US invasion is the reason for the attack.

its up to bigger countries like the US and other countries to make sure the smaller stable countries are not attacked by the likes of Iran, Did Iran not call for Israel to be wiped off the map!

Hasn't Israel called for the destruction of just about every surroudning nation, i.e. Pakistan, Iraq, Iran. Fail to see your logic?

and you believe these guys ain't looking for nuclear weapons because if you do your Blind to the actual truth.

Well thanks for making that crystal clear with facts and proof.

Both governments are bending the truth.

Mainstream media can not be trusted anymore. Powerful rich men are in control of the media and use it to get people to believe what they want. Humans are very easily manipulated and these rich men know it and take advantage of that fact.

How do we know for sure the british 'captives' actually reported feeling like they were being tortured. Just because CNN or BBC says so and you assume that's the final word?

Funny how they were debriefed immediatly as soon as they returned to Britain and they were not allowed to talk to anyone. This is uncommon. I believe there is something more to this story than we are being told.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Hasn't Israel called for the destruction of just about every surroudning nation, i.e. Pakistan, Iraq, Iran. Fail to see your logic?

Ummm......no they haven't.

Care to post the links to these statements by Israel?

It is easy to post multiple quotes with multiple links quoting the 'leadership' of Iran calling for the destruction of Israel and the United States.

Oh.....that's right....all the statements from Iran were 'misinterpeted'..

you guys can argue this to death. just as Britian and Iran are. seriously you guys are acting like little kids.

just because Iran provides pictures and film of the captive playing and talking doesn't mean they didn't have soldiers in the next room with AK47 threatening them. "Hmm. if I don't say this they tell me I'll be here in prison for a long time." "maybe so, and maybe not, but I don't like Iran so I think I'll just act happy and play games for the cameras."

and just because the British publications/government reports the sailors were tortured doesn't mean it's true. until you talk to one of the bristish sailors personally, I wouldn't take anything the U.S./Britian says for fact. After all, those WMDs sure were handy to get into Iraq, but we still seem to be scratching our heads while they're shrugging their soldiers.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by tyranny22]

Originally posted by curiousbelieverFunny how they were debriefed immediatly as soon as they returned to Britain and they were not allowed to talk to anyone. This is uncommon. I believe there is something more to this story than we are being told.

Really? Do you have any links with info on this, please?