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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Originally posted by selfless
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Honor is about facing that fear and not backing down. Having enough pride to stand up and do what's right.
You said it right there.
To do what's right in my opinion is to not go to war.
I would let my self be killed before i would kill someone else, if you think i have fear for that then i think you are mistaken.
Fear is killing the other person so that the other person doesn't kill you, now that's FEAR.
Honor is to do what is right, you said it.
There's nothing you would fight for? You would rather just give in? If that was the philosophy of our leaders throughout history we would be part of the Third Reich or the Soviet Union. Better yet we would be speaking Persian or Arabic. That philosophy is what I Fear. That possiblity that people would just give in and die. That scares me.
Originally posted by LightWorker13
So Saddam stole money, prove it.
Do you know what sanctions are? Hmmm?
THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STARVING OF HALF A MILLION CHILDREN.
And in case you didnt know,
Saddam was building social programs, just like Hugo Chavez, just like Hamas in Palestine.
[edit on 9-4-2007 by LightWorker13]
Originally posted by LightWorker13
Thats all they are claims, ...they werent tortured, if they were, why arent there any marks or tears?
Originally posted by selfless
No you understood wrong, i don't give in and just die, i stay true to my self and do not murder someone else, no fear from that, just integrity.
And yes i fight for something, i fight for peace and well you can't fight for peace with war because war is what stops peace.
You know what is scary? a person who's been manipulated into believing that there is no other way to achieve peace then to have wars, that's scary.
Difference being, those top-brass are ALWAYS retired. No serving personel should be able to earn money whilst in service from the sale of utter tripe to a sub-standard tabloid.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by malganis
no matter what crap they spew out and how obviously fake it is, the majority of the US and British public will believe it.
NOPE. You haven't been watching the US News, have you? CNN, MSNBC, and FOX are all in agreement ... the behavior of the Brits was LOUSY. It's amazing .. all three of the major 24/7 News networks agree on something. Oh .. and you are hard pressed to find anyone who thinks highly of those 15 Brits.
(sorry to any Brits reading this)
Originally posted by LightWorker13
Well if they werent tortured why are they saying they were?
Originally posted by ferretman2
I agree that the British sailors behavoir in not resisting was truly pathetic and the fact that they are now selling their story is disgusting.
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Originally posted by selfless
No you understood wrong, i don't give in and just die, i stay true to my self and do not murder someone else, no fear from that, just integrity.
And yes i fight for something, i fight for peace and well you can't fight for peace with war because war is what stops peace.
You know what is scary? a person who's been manipulated into believing that there is no other way to achieve peace then to have wars, that's scary.
So if this was World War 2 and your nation was being invaded by Japan or Germany, you have friends and relatives who are missing or dead, and everything you care for is gone you would not fight?
Originally posted by LightWorker13
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Originally posted by selfless
No you understood wrong, i don't give in and just die, i stay true to my self and do not murder someone else, no fear from that, just integrity.
And yes i fight for something, i fight for peace and well you can't fight for peace with war because war is what stops peace.
You know what is scary? a person who's been manipulated into believing that there is no other way to achieve peace then to have wars, that's scary.
So if this was World War 2 and your nation was being invaded by Japan or Germany, you have friends and relatives who are missing or dead, and everything you care for is gone you would not fight?
Yes so why cant the Iraqi people fight back against you, when you invade them and blow up their families and friends, without being called terrorists who want to destroy America cuz they hate freedom? They are fighting for their freedom!
[edit on 9-4-2007 by LightWorker13]
news.bbc.co.uk...
First Sea Lord in 2004, when Iran detained eight British servicemen after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.
Here he comments on the current detention by Iran of 15 Royal Navy personnel and compares it with the earlier incident.
news.bbc.co.uk...
What training would the personnel have been given to help them in the event of capture?
These particular people would not be trained in counter-interrogation techniques because they are not expected to be captured. But I think our guidance to anyone in that position would be to say what they want you to say, let's not be silly about it. Don't tell them secrets, clearly, but if they tell you: 'Say this', well if that's going to get you out, then do it. It means absolutely nothing, what they say, to be honest.
Originally posted by Muppetus Galacticus
These particular people would not be trained in counter-interrogation techniques because they are not expected to be captured. But I think our guidance to anyone in that position would be to say what they want you to say, let's not be silly about it. Don't tell them secrets, clearly, but if they tell you: 'Say this', well if that's going to get you out, then do it. It means absolutely nothing, what they say, to be honest.
Originally posted by stumason
The Iranians never said to her she would be killed, she made an assumption about why she was being measured and panicked. Silly cow.