98% sure Hostile Aliens dont exist.(or if they do they most certainly dont have interstellar travel

Originally posted by aaronman
eyespy2,

Still a bit confused on what you mean, but what you are saying kinda reminds me of the matrix. Where the machines are the ones rejecting this light, and created the universe (matrix), with the aliens (agents) are working against it or something, truly mind boggling stuff.

But i guess we should stop hijacking the thread

For the record, the Wachowski brothers are True Light beings, inspite of their percieved (MSM) human flaws. And as a rule, the greatest sciencefiction is usually based on what?

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There is a lot of evidence to support your theory, the biggest one being that man still exist even though we are still very backwards comapred to an interstella traveling civilisation or it could just mean that the hostile aliens have not yet arrived or earth is not worth the trouble or they dont want the earth because its not sutable for them to live in.
there could be lots of possibilties why the earth has not been attacked.
may be humans will relise that earth is just one of many planets humans can live on and there isn't anything unique about it apart from it having the natural conditions for our species to exist naturally.
may be there are no aliens out there and the goverment is just playing with our minds, so they can justify thier huge defence, military and space programs

Of course they do exist, look at the current situation here on the planet.It is just a small example of what is out there on a much larger scale. I for one believe that there are not only Angels but also benovelent groups of E.t.s that are keeping outr baby butts alive while we struggle to climb out of our crib not knowing that we have been placed at the highest peak of the grand canyon.

Originally posted by thesun
may be there are no aliens out there and the goverment is just playing with our minds, so they can justify thier huge defence, military and space programs

I didn't know that the defence budget was so huge because of alien threats

Originally posted by thesun
There is a lot of evidence to support your theory, the biggest one being that man still exist even though we are still very backwards comapred to an interstella traveling civilisation or it could just mean that the hostile aliens have not yet arrived or earth is not worth the trouble or they dont want the earth because its not sutable for them to live in.
there could be lots of possibilties why the earth has not been attacked.
may be humans will relise that earth is just one of many planets humans can live on and there isn't anything unique about it apart from it having the natural conditions for our species to exist naturally.
may be there are no aliens out there and the goverment is just playing with our minds, so they can justify thier huge defence, military and space programs

Why do assume that we haven't already been attacked.

What if you woke up tomorrow to discover the guy living next door to you was an alien? That our government, and every major government on this planet has been infiltrated by aliens?

As an example: Imagine for a moment that Mexico was really interested in taking back parts of the US. They believe we stole land from them right? Well, if they were intent on getting it back, would they mount a frontal attack with weapons, in which thousands, if not millions would die, or would they flood the country with people and bide their time?

Hispanic people don't believe in abortion, or birth controll. Big families are a sign of vigor and a source of pride. In my neighborhood, it seems like every hispanic woman within a ten block radius has a child in a baby carriage, and two more walking beside it.

Just based on breeding, 12 million illegals, can quickly turn into 20 million in a short time. Every nine months add 1 new resident. In 10 to 20 years... do the math, America at this rate will be a Hispanic nation.

Folks the aliens are here, been here, and don't plan on leaving on their own. They are everywhere! Read this guy Charles Hall.

openseti.org...

I know you won't believe him, but I'll throw it out there just the same. You won't believe until you're walking in a line shackled to another human in front and behind you, entering a mother ship for re-colonization to another world as a worker bee. LOL!!!

We humans don't pay attention. We just found out that 70-90% of all the honey bees are gone. People are like, "Wow, that interesting." Until there's no food. Then they're like, "How could this happen? Impeach the President!"

New Orleans sits below water level. A hurican approaches. 2000 buses sitting, reading to transport 2000 x 20 people to saftey. (Maybe they hold more) Humans are like, "I'm staying put! We'll ride it out!" Nagen, and Blanko sit around twiddling their thumbs. "Oh laudy what we gonna do?" Woosh! Now their really dancing in the streets, "Man we got rid of all those poor negroes, yippi!!" When the cameras start to rolling it's, "Impeach the president. He hates negroes!"

Aliens have been around long enough to experiment, clone, swap consciousness, and infiltrate. They're smart bastards. Who knows, maybe even the dude who started this thread is one, trying to put propaganda out there so, "When you see us marching down your street, don't be afraid earthlings. The shackles are only for your protection." LOL!!



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Originally posted by aaronman

Originally posted by thesun
may be there are no aliens out there and the goverment is just playing with our minds, so they can justify thier huge defence, military and space programs

I didn't know that the defence budget was so huge because of alien threats

any treat from outside the planet is an alien treat e.g astroeds and comets
and who do you think is going to deal with those treats, all these as been
factored into the budget, the public expects the goverment to deal with treats like these, directly or indirectly.
There are so many goverment black ops and research facilities, space age weapons and superior technology, you dont think they need that for iraq do you, oh may be you think they need it for russia or china.
Open your narrow mind and think broadly like you were in the us goverment, they are all ready aware of those countries capabilities and they have more than adequate means to take care of any earthly treats if needs be, but yet they still spend billions of tax payers dollars on research and develpment of weapons that are 40 - 50 years ahead of thier time all in the name of being on top, i dont think so. The truth is the goverment has to be ready for anything wether it exist or not. The things you dont know or understand are a lot more of a treat the things you live with

This video used to be 90 minutes, but someone edited it down to 8 - 9 minutes. Be that as it may, William Cooper said some really out there stuff man about the governments history with aliens.

www.youtube.com...

Also check out this site for more info.

www.thewatcherfiles.com...

Before he died, he was ranting about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Yeah, that's right, he was killed.

Originally posted by aaronman

Originally posted by thesun
may be there are no aliens out there and the goverment is just playing with our minds, so they can justify thier huge defence, military and space programs

I didn't know that the defence budget was so huge because of alien threats

Actually, from what I'm familiar with, the gov't did it. That's what I hear anyway. Testing out some new technology to create, as a joke or something, the vision of alien craft and what not. Maybe it's to fund their black projects against in a convincing manner to those who were not in on the joke.
Denial though, is no longer perpetuated; but, rather, told in a manner of inclusive intelligence. With gov't bodies being the main actors.

Originally posted by eyespy2

Originally posted by thesun
There is a lot of evidence to support your theory, the biggest one being that man still exist even though we are still very backwards comapred to an interstella traveling civilisation or it could just mean that the hostile aliens have not yet arrived or earth is not worth the trouble or they dont want the earth because its not sutable for them to live in.
there could be lots of possibilties why the earth has not been attacked.
may be humans will relise that earth is just one of many planets humans can live on and there isn't anything unique about it apart from it having the natural conditions for our species to exist naturally.
may be there are no aliens out there and the goverment is just playing with our minds, so they can justify thier huge defence, military and space programs

Why do assume that we haven't already been attacked.

What if you woke up tomorrow to discover the guy living next door to you was an alien? That our government, and every major government on this planet has been infiltrated by aliens?

If aliens are walking around like humans and they are everyway like humans (if it looks, walks and sounds like a human, it can only be a human
then they are not much of aliens buts humans because technically there is
no real way to define a human apart from the physical parameters that we understand (this incudes dna). since there are no labs to test the soul or conciousness of a person, there will be no way to tell who is who.
We will be fighting our selves.

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Thesun said:
"since there are no labs to test the soul or conciousness of a person, there will be no way to tell who is who. We will be fighting our selves."

Drum roll please!!!

The aliens will know.

Originally posted by eyespy2
Thesun said:
"since there are no labs to test the soul or conciousness of a person, there will be no way to tell who is who. We will be fighting our selves."

Drum roll please!!!

The aliens will know.

yeah the aliens will only know who is an alien if the alien in diguise has an implant, possilbly an electrical device or a biological parasite that controls the human host. which in any case will take the humans quite long to dectect. The humans in this can not put up much of a fight, since they dont know who to fight. Testing people will take tooo long in a war situation.

Originally posted by Mayan2012
really really really think about it =/ i used to think aliens could be hostile...but there's absolutely no reason for it if u have the technology to travel to other galaxies and so forth

On a universal scale, if there where hostile Races with very advanced technology, what point would it serve to try to conqure the universe? You could hold 100,000,00 galaxies, and still in the greater scale hold nothing more than a spec compared to the whole. Leave it to man to divide and rule small masses of land.. I agree with Mayan, on this scale races view of rule must be somehow different than our perspective veiw..
Yet some races Im sure could be pirate like, taking over small sectors of space, making due with what they can steal and plunder. Prehaps that is only a human trait, but its unlikely only human.. I see so many things just here on earth that help explain things as a whole.. Some are good and bad, yet agin human logic thinking.. So in my words I think that those races who try to control mass amounts of space, really dont hold anything at all.. Becasue the higher races may understand deeper than we do about us just being an electron, within a greater universe. You have heard this theroy no need to go into great detail about that one. So War Based races that are highly advanced would have tatical information we do not yet understand... So I leave it open, for further discussion.

i love all your views on this Topic. keep em coming.

i cant really argue with all of you skeptics,simply because this thread is my Honest Opinion,and i dont have proof of this matter,nor do you either

But i am reading each an every one of your posts and getting alot of idea's and thoughts.

Thank You All

-Mayan

Originally posted by tezzajw
Right, so now you adopt human military 'logic' to infer the exact nature of the insignias that aliens should have on their suits. Again, all of this is totally unverifiable, so it's your fictional opinion.
No, they can't. An argument has factual basis to support an opinion.
I can't take any of your opinions seriously, when you make claims that you can't prove.

But I can prove the military must have an easily recognized command structure. I have a whole planet full of proof. This planet.
You seems to belive that people from other planets must be different. But all people out there have developed the same way we did; slowly and bit for bit, from bacterias several hundred million years ago to the complex beings we are now. The laws of nature is the same everywhere (we see this in the other planets around us). And the aliens we humans have seen so far have been constructed the same way we are; head at the top, body in the middle and two legs at the bottom. And two arms at each side. None of them have six arms or four legs, or the head in the middle. So everything seems to be working the same way everywhere.

With other word by 'opinion' is verifiable by looking at ouselves. They who think aliens must be totally different have no proof to back up their fictional opinion.

I could use tha argument that just because something is unverifiable does not mean it is fictional. And that arguments have nothing to do with facts. Just look at politicks. They argue for this and that, yet never agree. If arguments had been based on facts there would have been only one opinion and all parties would have agreed on everything... There would probably have been only one party...

What you tells me is that you don't want to take me seriously because I don't provide a link to sites with eyewithness stories, something you could do on your own. Well, you are too lazy to google and I'm too lazy to import a link. My laziness wins...

Originally posted by Ghaele
But I can prove the military must have an easily recognized command structure. I have a whole planet full of proof. This planet.
You seems to belive that people from other planets must be different. But all people out there have developed the same way we did...

Due to the fact that you have no way of supporting your claim that aliens must wear military insignia if they belong to a military, I'll not reply any further to you.

It is clear that you base all of your reasoning on what aliens should do, especially those in the 'military', based solely upon what happens here on Earth.

I hope that you are not in a position to make serious decisions, when you can't clearly support your opinions or even recognise the flaws in what you type.

Originally posted by tezzajw
It is clear that you base all of your reasoning on what aliens should do, especially those in the 'military', based solely upon what happens here on Earth.

I hope that you are not in a position to make serious decisions, when you can't clearly support your opinions or even recognise the flaws in what you type.

If the poster that you quoted thinks that aliens would wear Earth style insignia if they were militant...ummm....that crazy talk! I really haven't been responding replying to the poster in this thread all along....



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Originally posted by Ghaele

You seems to belive that people from other planets must be different. But all people out there have developed the same way we did; slowly and bit for bit, from bacterias several hundred million years ago to the complex beings we are now.

All people out there? Do you mean aliens?
How would you know that they developed the same way we did, have you met them? Were you there to see them evolve from bacteria? They do not have to be the same as us whatsoever, they may have evolved to meet completely different atmospheres, climates, environments...

The laws of nature is the same everywhere (we see this in the other planets around us).

What planets do we see this on? What planet do we see working the same way as Earth with millions of creatures interacting with each other and evolving with each other?

And the aliens we humans have seen so far have been constructed the same way we are; head at the top, body in the middle and two legs at the bottom. And two arms at each side. None of them have six arms or four legs, or the head in the middle. So everything seems to be working the same way everywhere.

What aliens have humans seen so far? The ones in the movies?

They who think aliens must be totally different have no proof to back up their fictional opinion.

They who think aliens must be the same have no proof to back up their fictional opinion either. At least thinking they will look different is logical.

TheSun said:

"The humans in this can not put up much of a fight, since they dont know who to fight. Testing people will take tooo long in a war situation."

Well, there you have it. Now you understand the Alien take-over plan. LOL!!!

Simple, few Alien causualties, humans in chaos killing each other. A human slave in every Alien household.

How can you people make these absolute statements? "I am certain that
hostile aliens don't exist"; "All civilizations evolve the same as on Earth".
How can you be so arrogant as to believe you know anything about alien life?
The universe is larger than humans can imagine. Probably billions of other life forms out there which leads to infinite combinations of events happening producing friendly and non-friendly space traveling alien life. For example what if a friendly race makes contact with another civ and within that civ there is a non-friendly rogue element that nukes the friendly visitors or destroys them somewhat. Voila - instant space travelling super weapons. Let's go! How about a spaceship crash on a super unfriendly world. Crash retrieval, back-engineer and there you have it. Hostile space travelling beings. How about a hostile civ scientist suddenly makes a quantum leap in technology given the power overnight to travel to other stars? The military grabs it and there's another one. There could be a million million scenarios as to how there would be hostile aliens.

Originally posted by Ace_SD
How can you people make these absolute statements? "All civilizations evolve the same as on Earth".
How can you be so arrogant as to believe you know anything about alien life?
The universe is larger than humans can imagine. Probably billions of other life forms out there which leads to infinite combinations

Because the laws of physics is the same everywhere in the universe. Fact.
The possibility of life spread by astroids flying between star systems. Fact.

The building blocks of life contained in astriods are much the same and life here on Earth developed in a kind of mathematic way so it is not unreasonable to claim or expect life to develope the same way everywhere. By looking at how life developed on our planet it comes clear that life do not develope in a random way. For example it is no accident that animals have 4 legs, while the small insects have 6 legs. There is a kind of mathematic logic behind natural selection or development. We don't see a 6 legged horse for a reason.
So I can't see how looking at the life around us can be wiewed as arrogant. We MUST look at the life we know.


aaronman;
> What planets do we see this on? What planet do we see working the same way as Earth with millions of creatures interacting with each other and evolving with each other?
> What aliens have humans seen so far? The ones in the movies?

All the planets around us, Mars, Venus, Titan, Europe and so on. I did not say there are animal life on the other planets. I were pointing to nature and physics being the same on all planets. And by this we understand it will be like that on all planets around other stars too.
What aliens we have seen? You are reading the Aliens forum so you already know.

greatlakes
> If Ghaele thinks that aliens would wear Earth style insignia if they were militant

I wrote SYMBOLs, not earth style insignia. We would recognize alien military symbols if they existed bacause there are many withnesses that describe what they see. The aliens don't wear any symbols at all as far as the reports go.

tezzajw
> I hope that you are not in a position to make serious decisions, when you can't clearly support your opinions or even recognise the flaws in what you type.

Ditto. I can't take you seriously.


All 4; You seems to be frightfully ignorant as of how life began and developed on this planet and how life spread.
You should not belive in UFO-debunkers or Star Trek who claim that life 'out there' can come in any form. It cannot. Life developes in a mathematical way. Einstain said something like 'God don't play dices with life'. The natural life around us is no accident.
And lastly all the aliens reported have the same general look thet we have; 2 hands at the sides, walking on 2 legs wich is below the body, head at the top. The exact body outlook and color may be dino, insect, primate or reptile like, but the shape is always the same.

But then this is logic; any being making a rocket must have hands so they can make tools to make the rocket in the first place. That is why we won't ever meet alien rockets driven by elphant like beings... No hand to build with.

With this I leave you to educate yourselves as the schools obviously failed at the task. Good luck.