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Why Dean Can't win

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posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 08:44 AM
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....as interpreted by our ATS Bush-Lovin-Funboys!



Funny thing is, they still call Dean a Liberal!! Do the RESEARCH!:shk:




posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 08:51 AM
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Well, I wouldn't call Dean a liberal, but with his anti-war rhetoric squashed with the news of Saddam's capture....the ship pretty much just left the harbor.....



posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Well, I wouldn't call Dean a liberal, but with his anti-war rhetoric squashed with the news of Saddam's capture....the ship pretty much just left the harbor.....


Huh? Sadamm is a Weapon of Mass Destruction? That was the "measure of success" - finding/killing a two-bit despot & his sons in a Third World Country!?!?!?
Jumpin' Bejeebus man, he should take that shizatt on World Tour then.....he'll be massively successful as a pResident by that measure!



posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 11:03 AM
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Didn't say I agree with it....just that American politics is all about perception of the sheeples...

And, right now, you've got this...

1. Bush promises to get the boogyman.
2. Bush is failing at getting the boogyman....the Dems love this, and use it to trash the whole war idea in the first place.
3. Bush then captures the boogyman (yay! and there was much rejoicing).
4. The sheeple are now more pleased with the president, and point to the Dems and laugh again...

Hey, don't shoot the messenger..... I don't like it anymore than you do....but the above is exactly what's happened.



posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 11:46 AM
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...I have not viewed anywhere that sheeple response as you indicate. Mind you, I fully expected it, with the Rove media propaganda arm in overdrive, but notice how it's died down at much the same speed as the "flight suit"incident.

Gaz, boo-----baaaaahhh----laaaaa, I wouldn't shoot you!

Well maybe in the butt cheek with a BB Gun.....but I'd only do one pump, two tops!



posted on Dec, 30 2003 @ 11:50 AM
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The flight suit incident.....oh boy, hehe....



posted on Dec, 31 2003 @ 08:47 PM
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posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 12:20 AM
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well, Dean saying we're not safer now that Saddam is caught, blah! (followed by the other dems jumping down his throat..)

So, yeah, Dean can't win.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by Bob88
well, Dean saying we're not safer now that Saddam is caught, blah! (followed by the other dems jumping down his throat..)



So are you saying that's not true? I think even conservatives, if they're honest, will admit that the capturing of Saddam doesn't make someone in Crapsville, USA any safer.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 01:35 AM
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[Edited on 1/1/2004 by Flinx]



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 01:42 AM
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Dean is more moderate than almost everyone besides Lieberman. Remember Bush McCain, how brutal that got...well same thing with Dean.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Flinx

Originally posted by Bob88
well, Dean saying we're not safer now that Saddam is caught, blah! (followed by the other dems jumping down his throat..)



So are you saying that's not true? I think even conservatives, if they're honest, will admit that the capturing of Saddam doesn't make someone in Crapsville, USA any safer.



Well, sorry to bust your bubble, but here in Crapsville, USA we DO think that the US is safer w/ out Saddam, as well as the world (and, why you would even would even refer to any part of the USA as 'crapsville' is way beyond me! ) On the other hand it's not beyond you as you think "There is the fact that most people aren't too bright " (www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Maybe, us here in Crapsville, USA, where we arent too bright, should just let the enlighten folk like yourself decide our fate, cause were too stupid and all.


how pathetic!


[Edited on 1-1-2004 by Bob88]



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by Bob88


Well, sorry to bust your bubble, but here in Crapsville, USA we DO think that the US is safer w/ out Saddam, as well as the world (and, why you would even would even refer to any part of the USA as 'crapsville' is way beyond me! ) On the other hand it's not beyond you as you think "There is the fact that most people aren't too bright " (www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Maybe, us here in Crapsville, USA, where we arent too bright, should just let the enlighten folk like yourself decide our fate, cause were too stupid and all.


how pathetic!


[Edited on 1-1-2004 by Bob88]


I'm glad you're speaking for all the Crapsvillians.

Heh, sure easy to bait aren't you? You actually took the time to find something that I said in another thread? Now that's freaking pathetic...


Why don't you actually respond to my thread and my idea instead of focusing in on a few words? But I suppose that's typical of you r-wingers on this board, hmm?

No amount of personal attacks are going to change my opinion or stop me from giving it. In fact all it's going to do is solidify my already low opinion of you and your buddies. So put that in your hashish pipe and smoke it!

Now that I've wasted enough time, I contine to :w: and



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 03:49 AM
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# everyone who posted on this thread!!!!!

Most of my arguments were based on comic strips, and you guys ruined that. I hate you(In a good way)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So anyways, I'm lost.

I also think that; I'm drunker that "Drunk" when he posts drunk! So, # OFF!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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wow, using cartoons to prove/back up ones assertions? whats next? using half truths and propaganda?

this is like rush using the limbaugh letter to prove that (insert democrats name here) is a left winger extremist.

sorry using left thinking cartoonists cartoons to back up your assertions is little more than pathetic.

how about some actual proof he's more of a moderate? or are you unable to do this?

i dont care what he's labeled as. i dont care what he is or what you think he is. he just strikes me as kooky and a bit more than dangerous to say the least. you complain about bush lying and yet dean in an interview spouts off this theory he "heard" that bush knew about 9-11 from the saudis before it happened and yet has never offered any proof to back this up and when asked where he heard it from only said "i heard it somehwere".

wow very presidential of him isnt it? spout off accusations and never back them up or givew your source...sounds exactly like the same thing you all are bashing bush for. not that i blame you but it seems its overlooked with other people and not bush. i guess you all were too focused on bush to notice dean making up such lies...well now you know...you may bash him as well.

bush seals his records as governor and everyone gets into an uproar, dean does it and you all are silent. whats the damn difference? both sealed their records, hold their feet to the same fire at least. TRY to give the impression you arent hypocrits. want to give bush hell for it? thats ok by me but do the same to dean.

how about that energy commision dean had that dean doesnt want to talk about? cheney is doing the same thing and you accuse him of hiding something and yet both of them use the same reason for keeping it secret. yet i dont see one thing being said about dean's secret energy commision or how he tried to woo enron to come to vermont via tax breaks (i thought he said he was agaisnt tax breaks???) and other financial incentives. seems its not ok for bush cheny or anyone else who doesnt tink like you but ok for dean. this strikes me as being something of a double standard. bash one for doing something but not the other for doing the same thing? save your excuses and cop outs, i dont want to hear them. i'm not defending bush as i wont defend any politician but if you're going to hold one politician to a certain set of standards....hold them all to the same standards at least so you can be consistent.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 01:50 PM
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Some of you have no sense of humor...goodness. Both comics were funny.

Back to the Crapvillians, I have to agree with Flinx on the short term capturing Saddam means little and it doesn't make us safer. But, in the long run...strategically...it's better to get rid of him.

In the end, the dems are hurting Dean when it's obvious he will be the nominee. It's going to suck to see folk like Liberman throw their support behind him when they are giving Rove the fuel he needs to question Howard's patriotism...and that's basically what it is going to come down to. The only way he'll even have a chance is if he picks Clark as his running mate.

Hopefully, the smart folk will unite on this one because they need to get away from being seen as anti-war. which is a sick notion to me...what's wrong with being anti-war. They make it sound like a disease...catch it and you won't be president.

Dean won't get the Clinton's support but who cares? They'll prolly raise some funds but I doubt they'll back him fully since they want an empty seat in 08 when hillary makes her run.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 04:14 PM
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Whooo hangover....


Uh, anyway. I've said that I don't trust Dean several times....I think. I don't like his inconsistancies as much as anyone else. He's....sneaky, not as much as President Smirk, but the whore media only gives democrats a hard time about their lying. I think he's very open for a reaming by the Repubicans. He's not the right choice for the nomination. I'd rather have Clark. Actually, I wish Gore had run.

Dean doesn't draw my ire like Bush because he isn't PRESIDENT. He hasn't been trashing the environment, rolling back social reforms, ruining our international relations, and privatizing everything for the last 3 years. He hasn't been using 9-11 as a blank check to do whatever the hell he wants.

Besides it's fun getting you right wingers upset....I can just imagine the feathers flying around the room when you read this stuff.


Oh and Saphronia's right, grow a f-ing sense of humor. No one was trying to make an argument with the comics....though they could. A little well thought out satire can say more than a THOUSAND words.....

[Edited on 1/1/2004 by Flinx]



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 06:42 PM
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Don't believe that establishment-sanctioned crap saying Dean can't win. Why not? Are the Diebold voting machines rigged in favor of Bush? Probably.

Why can't Dean win? He "can't win" because the establishment - who annoints the candidate from the left and the right - says so. They keep beating that into your brains, like the big lie. A lot of people out there right, left and independent like Dean. The establishment needs to get over it.

The administration, Loserman, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards and Clark are all afraid of Dean's grassroots power. That's why they're all attacking him.

Leiberman - doesn't have a chance
Gephardt - doesn't have a chance
Kerry - doesn't have a chance
Edwards -doesn't have a chance
Clark -doesn't have a chance

I'd pay good money to see Dr. Dean and Bush debate. Dean would tear Bush to pieces, intellectually.



posted on Jan, 1 2004 @ 06:46 PM
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I like Dean. He's not a gun grabber and believes in a balanced budget. Something many republicans preach why they spend my 3 year olds future tax dollars. Dean has a chance hes a powerful speaker and not afraid to touch controversial subjects.



posted on Jan, 2 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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....Right Winger short comings! Damn boys ( Bob & Prank) these are cartoons intended for a Lampoon of a very real ......reality!
No one has based these arguments solely on a cartoon, though they are both 100% factual.

Please tell me that these attempted smears by Fox/CNN/MSNBC, et al have not been hurled at Dean, as some sort of "reasoning" on his doomed candidacy:

- Too Liberal
- Too Vermont ( Northeaster)
- Too many idealists in his camp
- Too Angry


Please tell me what the White House has offered besides the 9/11 incident, as the root cause reason on their inertia of action & utter failure to implement course corrections on the economy?

A two bit dictator, from a third world country, whose military got knocked back to fourth world status after GW 1, with weapons stores equivalent to the next 50 of the worlds military nations, whose country has sustained un-ending bombing since 1991 [- 280,000 Sorties flown over Iraq since the Gulf War by the US
- Since December 1998, the UK Ministry of Defence has admitted dropping 780 tonnes of bombs on a country with which Britain is not at war.

www.globalissues.org...

Bombing that was never sanctioned in the first place, BTW

www.guardian.co.uk...

]


Yeah, the US is sooooo much safer with Saddam out of the Spider Hole & in our web!


"I won't defend any politician"

Really? Seems much was written in defense of spurrious claims of equality on the Bush/Cheney side with Dean?
Bush had his records sealed and sent into private storage, an act not done by any past US gov. . They are at his fathers library.
Cheney's commission drove the national energy policy of the lone World Superpower, and was not attended by anyone outside of industry executives, though the policy impacts us all - particularly our environment.
Dean's supposed energy closed door meetings? Never heard of them, but I'll search....Newsmax, Free Republic, Rush.com? Were there sanctions/lawsuit/congressional inquiries brought against his administration, as was against the Bush team? Did his administration have a bunch of folks on it who came out of Enron too?

"strikes me as kooky"

Yes, I forgot that after 2000, we pick president's based on popularity and how they express their
"Christian values/Moral Clarity/straight shooterness",

though the reality is
"Christian in a Lucifer sort of way/Lack of Morals is crystal clear/10 minute scripted press confrences - can't get straighter than that, though nothing was answered"

In nearly 4 years, it's sad to see people still making a monumental choice ( President of the US) on adjectives ( "kooky", "boring", "mechanical", "stright shooter", "angry") ........after seeing, in those 4 years, what a fecal nugget they've allowed to fester & how his vision has handicapped our nation.

I suggest anyone with a brain cell starts to explore how they can back initiatives for:

a) open format debates without foreknowledge of questions, with at least several to take place.

b) verified voting results

It's the only way to avoid another theft of the presidency. If he's the nominee, and we have open debates and we have verified ballots....Dean will win, with the largest swing Demographic being "Republicans for Dean".



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