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reply posted on 25-4-2007 @ 11:24 AM by Cowboy Clint
I'm sorry Shrunkensimon, I tried looking for proof of other people and cultures predicting 2012 besides the Mayans, I really did.

However, all I found were new age religous sites predcting 2012 as the rebirth of the world, (And all sourcing the mayan texts.) A guy selling a book on the 2012 doomsday, (Again, citing the mayans.) and an X-files episode where it is revealed that the aliens will come on Dec. 22nd, 2012 to invade the earth.

So please, share with us your souce links citing Christian/Jewish/Islamic text that predicts 2012. And you also mentioned that a freemason made the great stone of Hendaye and that it says that the earth will go kablooie on 2012. Please share us your links on that. It would greatly add to this discussion.

As for me, out of good faith, here are my sources.

Here is a Mesoweb article describing the problems translating the Mayan calendar to our gregorian calendar. According to the author, the gregorian translation could be off by 260 years! So if "2012" is true, we got some time.

And here is an Astronomy Answers site that says that on Dec 21 nothing special happening in the heavens that day.

I've also talked to my Mayan History professor, Kathryn Dungy, on the subject of 2012 (among other paranormal things) several years ago. She pretty much laughed at the idea of the world ending then and explained to me that the end of a baktun was like that of the ending of the year 1999. Yes, the 1000's millienium was at the end, but the 2000's millienium will pick up where that one left off. the same is true for the 13th baktun.

BTW, can you recall anything big that happened on September 18, 1618? I sure can't. And yet, that date was the start of the 12th baktun of the Mayan calendar. Hmm...

Oh yes, I'm sorry if my jab at the bible code was pathetic. This gentleman and this other gentleman are far better in describing faults of the bible code than I can ever do.

Cheers!



reply posted on 17-5-2007 @ 03:04 PM by biggie smalls
I found some interesting 2012 information:

2012 prophecy


According to the Long Count Calendar they use to measure long cycles of time, 2012 marks the close of several cycles of time.

According to the Mayans, the close of the first cycle is the completion of the Galactic Year. It takes 225 million Earth years for the Milky Way Galaxy to make one complete rotation in the sky.

2012 also marks the end of a 26 million year Earth cycle, a 78,000 year Earth cycle and the close of the 26,000 year Mayan Calendar.

According to the prophesies of many groups of indigenous people, 2012 appears to be the time when the odometer turns over for the entire history of humans, Earth, our galaxy, and perhaps, all of creation–-the moment when all life experiences a leap that is similar to that of caterpillars becoming butterflies.

The Mayans believe that human evolution unfolds as a result of these long cycles of time. Their mystery plays myths, spiritual rites and practices re-enacted the cosmic drama created by the alignment of Earth’s sun with Galactic Center in 2012.

They described this alignment as a kind of cosmic intercourse between Father Sun and the Great Mother of Galactic Center that will birth all of creation into a new reality. Pregnancy, birth and embryogenesis were central concepts in their tradition.

The Tzolkin calendar, one kind of Mayan calendar, is based on the 260-day term of human gestation. It is a harmonic representation of the 26,000-year Mayan calendar. 260 x 100 = 26,000. It appears that the Mayans used the Tzolkin Calendar to track both the evolution of an individual human and the 26,000-year Mayan calendar as a way of monitoring the evolution of the human species.

From a Mayan perspective, the time preceding December 21, 2012 Earth is making its shift into Christ Consciousness and transforming humanity into Christed Beings. This process of transformation from human to Christedness, which compares to the transformation of a caterpillar into a Monarch butterfly, is known as Ascension. While the term ASCENSION is typically used to describe human transformation, Jose Arguelles also wrote about it from a planetary perspective in his book, Earth Ascending.

From an astrological perspective, we are transitioning from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius. When we look in one direction, we see the breakdown of Piscean structures based on competition and scarcity. And, when we look in the other, we see the sprouting of new Aquarian structures based on partnership principles and the sharing of resources. While this transition can cause confusion and anxiety, it represents a unique window of opportunity for us to evolve into Christed Beings.






reply posted on 17-5-2007 @ 03:50 PM by St Udio
Originally posted by biggie smalls
I found some interesting 2012 information:

2012 prophecy




2012 also marks the ... close of the 26,000 year Mayan Calendar.



all the Maya calander pages & sites i came by never put out that line.

this 2012 end date is the completion of this particular 13 Baktan calander
which is only 5,120 years long (rather the equivelent number of sunrises+sunsets=Days, which comprise those many years in our present calander reckoning) something like +~1,800,000 day calander

and nowhere in the deciphered Maya language that we know of today,
did the Maya have a +26,000 year calander that equals the length of the complete 'precession' cycle the planet Earth does thru a human devised Zodiac-in-the-sky/

at best the current 13 Baktun cycle/calender might be thought of as 1/5th
of a 'precession cycle'.
...which computes to be 5,120years X 5epochs= 25,600 actual years...
which still remains some 400 to 600 years different from the known 'precession' cycle.

?If the Maya were so precise & astronomically perfect as bally-hooed
in the 2012 sub-culture...?why were their calenders so far off with regard
to the planet's wobble (precession)?
Unless the Maya calendars were not interested in alignments or precession cycles....they were interested in the Moon cycles, the Venus cycles,
and other human-earth time spans where their calendar priests and shamans could could use a 'horoscope' or 'prediction theme' to lead & govern the culture & society,


thanks for your time,
the wide scope of 2012 is engaging, thought provoking and entertaining-
but i'm not going to make lifestyle changes with the current 2012 fad & fabrications as my guideline
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