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posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 05:36 PM
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Sorry but my pants are around my waist. And that website is another masonic joke to say the least. You have not been able to defend this stuff to save your life. Member, 33rd degree Shriner (Imperial Council of the Shrine), and Scottish Rite Freemason. Certificates and ceremony conferred by the Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia, ceremony held in the White House on February 11, 1988. Opps looks like your pants just feel down again.


It's no surprise that you can't hold a candle to the scholars of masonry after all they know more about the "craft" then you. I really like how skipped that fact again. Your defense is like shifting sand.


Perhaps it should be mentioned at this time that the words in parentheses, "(not worship)" and "(not church doctrines)" are innovations of your own and not the words of Albert Pike. I also would mention that you quoted Pike as saying, "this is the religion revealed to the ancient patriarchs. ." Actually, he said, "This is the true religion. . . ."

Is it your contention that there is no worship in temples of religion? Interesting concept. Would like to know how you have arrived at this conclusion?

I won't contest your inferred conclusion that Masonry's teachings are not doctrinal statements of churches. As a matter of fact, I have been making this same statement for quite some time now. For example, church doctrine of the protestant denominations(churches) I have researched this matter on, are all basically saying the same thing: There is but one True and Living God; He who is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Any other “god” is a false god, and all teachings which deny the exclusivity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are incompatible with the Christian faith. On the other hand, the religion of Freemasonry says the "symbol" it calls the Great Architect Of The Universe is just about anything and everything under the sun(including the sun, for that matter); that all men of all religions can find their own personal deities in this "one size fits all" package that Masonry has manufactured for its members to pray to. So, far from being church doctrines, as you have readily admitted, Freemasonry has a doctrine all its own that is most certainly not acceptable to Christians.

You contend that this does not conflict with Christianity. Please explain how this can possibly be compatible with Christian faith and practice? This most certainly calls for lending credence to false gods of any and all kinds, placing them on a common altar that the True and Living God would supposedly share with them. Masonry sees no problem with substituting belief in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with a belief in pagan gods and idols, yet you claim Masonry is no substitute for Christianity. Masonry has no problem with substituting other books that it also calls "Volumes of Sacred Law", in place of the Holy Bible on the altar, and you do not call this a substitute for Christianity.

You claim the Masonic doctrine to be "merely part of the foundation that Christianity stands on." I beg to differ with you. In the first place, I find it ludicrous that you would state any pretext that speculative masonry was alive, thriving, and a part of Christianity at any time during the First Century. The foundation of Christianity, in its entirety, is Jesus Christ and His resurrection - the Gospels. Without Jesus Christ, Christianity becomes but an empty shell like all the false religions of the world.

"Relies upon the church to build upon it"? To build upon what? Freemasonry? Is it your contention that by the church proclaiming the uniqueness of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior that the church is in error? After all, there is certainly nothing in "all of the above teachings" you have listed that would indicate any such belief on the part of the Lodge.

Your false claims are totally unsubstantiated.

but the following quotes from Florida GL training booklet might help in this debate:

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(The Lodge Altar) is the central piece of furniture in the Lodge and upon it rest the three Great Lights in Masonry. It is symbolic of many things. Its location in the Lodge symbolizes the place which God has in Masonry and which he should have in every human life. It is also a symbol of worship and faith. The candidate approaches the altar in search of light and there assumes his obligations. Here, in the presence of God and his Brethren, he offers himself to the service of the Supreme Architect of the Universe and to mankind in general. (FL MM, pg. 9)

The Masonic Belief is that there is but one God, the Father of all men. (LSME, Booklet 3, pg. 10)

In the Sublime Degree, the Lodge becomes a representation of the Sanctum Sanctorum or Holy of Holies of Solomon's great Temple at Jerusalem. The Deity was said to swell between the Cherubim found in the Holy of Holies. In a part of this Degree we are symbolically brought into the presence of God to learn the lessons which it is intended to teach. (FL MM pg. 19)

In the Third Degree the symbolism takes another form, although its background continues to be architecture, and its action takes place in a Temple; it is a spiritual symbolism, cast in the form of the life and death of the soul, and its principal teaching is that if a man has permitted himself to be buried under the rubbish-heap of his sins and passions and lusts, it is possible for him, if he has learned the secret of the spiritual life, and with the help of God and of the Brotherhood, to rise again into a new life. This teaching gives us the key to the whole Degree, and in the light of it all its symbols, emblems, and allegories must be understood. (FL LSME, Booklet 4, pg. 4)

Religion is an essence, not an accident, of Masonry. It stands at the heart of the Fraternity, as the Altar stands at the center of the Lodge-room, as a symbol of the religious character of Freemasonry. (LSME, Lodge Etiquette, pg. 13)

The Ritual is designed to be effective in the inner life of the candidate, a genuine moral and spiritual experience by which he enters a new kind of life wherein he will stand obligated to perform duties and make sacrifices; the obligations he will take will be morally and Masonically binding on him and his vows must be genuine or he will be led into harmful hypocrisy. (LSME, Lodge Etiquette, pg. 15)
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No Mason here will ever admit to the Craft being a religion because it's politically unacceptable. Mason literature continually discusses 'the religion of Masonry' and the above quotes underline such thinking. Men join the Craft to offer themselves to God's service; they are symbolically brought into God's presence to learn; they undergo a spiritual experience.




posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 05:39 PM
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Come on M.L. as readers can tell you are indeed the one lying.

Freemasonry and Religion
Grand Lodge of England
In the light of recent comments on Freemasonry and religion and inquiries to be held by various churches into the compatibility of Freemasonry and Christianity, the Board has decided to issue the following statement in amplification of that originally approved by the Grand Lodge in September 1962 and confirmed by Grand Lodge in December 1981.

Basic Statement: Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members belief in a Supreme Being, but provides no system of faith of its own. Its rituals include prayers, but these relate only to the matter instantly in hand and do not amount to the practice of religion.
Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at its meetings.

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posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 05:40 PM
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Well looks like M.L. and his brothers all got their pants around their ankles.
I can take all you guys on with both hands tied behind my back. Bring it


Now, here is but one intellectual rebuttal from


THE MASONIC LODGE AND THE CHRISTIAN CONSCIENCE

by John Weldon, available on line from the Christian Research Institute (numbers refer to footnotes in the original essay)

IS MASONRY A RELIGION?

One of the key issues in this discussion is whether or not Masonry is a religion.38 The Baptist Study concluded: "Strong feelings have been expressed on both sides of this difficult issue....the overwhelming majority of Masons reject the idea that Freemasonry is a religion. The various monitors of the Grand Lodges and statements from the overwhelming majority of Masonic leaders in the past and today deny that Freemasonry is a religion"(emphases added).39

No one denies that the vast majority of Masons say Masonry is not a religion, but one must go beyond mere claims. For example, virtually all Mormons claim their religion is Christian, which is demonstrably false.40

Masonry claims it has the qualities of a religion but is still not a religion; or that it is religious but still not a religion. However, the latter point makes as much sense (as even Coil pointed out) as to say that a man has no intellect but is intellectual, or that he has no honor but is honorable. Religious is defined as "imbued with or adhering to religion or a religion."41

www.iclnet.org...


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Bill: Inter alia, again I refer you to Charles Finney's landmark book, and to Alva McClain's excellent sermon, using Mackey's Encyclopedic work to prove the same case: Masonry is indeed a religion, decidedly antiChristian in nature. Full stop. You and so many others have been and continue to be deceived. Your attachment to the institution has taken priority over a serious effort to follow the Sinless One, THE way, THE truth, and THE life. Ephesians 4:15 applies as before.

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posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Sorry but my pants are around my waist. And that website is another masonic joke to say the least. You have not been able to defend this stuff to save your life. Member, 33rd degree Shriner (Imperial Council of the Shrine), and Scottish Rite Freemason. Certificates and ceremony conferred by the Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia, ceremony held in the White House on February 11, 1988. Opps looks like your pants just feel down again.


And again you're caught in a lie. There wasn't any "ceremony". They gave Reagan his certificates, it was open to the public, and the photographers were there.

You say the website is a "joke", but yet point to the asrticle in the New Age magazine as authoritative in the matter. Are you really too dense to realize they were written by the same guy?







You contend that this does not conflict with Christianity. Please explain how this can possibly be compatible with Christian faith and practice?


And yet once again you lie. I didn't "contend" anything of the sort, and don't really care one way or the other. I feel that Christianity is irrelevant in this post-Christian era. The Christian cult has been steadily declining for many years.


You claim the Masonic doctrine to be "merely part of the foundation that Christianity stands on."


You are completely full of poo. Everyone on this board knows damn well I wouldn't have said such a stupid thing. If Freemasonry was a part of "the foundation of Christianity", I would damn well leave it, and in a hurry. Since the foundation of your brand of "Christianity" is hypocrisy and deceit, it is no wonder that anyone with integrity would want nothing to do with it.


I find it ludicrous that you would state any pretext that speculative masonry was alive, thriving, and a part of Christianity at any time during the First Century.


Show me where I said it, son. You can't. You are a liar, and not even a very good one. Even the real Christians on this board saw through your BS in the blink of an eye.



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posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 06:02 PM
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Please watch the foul language. It's plain to see that you can't debate with a cool head. You better stop before you have a heart attack.
And again you can't read through the whole blog and debate properly. Anyone who would come on this board as a mason and try to defend the "frat" and expect to be taken seriously, but will keep lying such as you do will never win.
So all the scholars are lying who are masons? Nice try M.L. better luck next time.

I quoted a small portion of the essay by John Weldon (www.equip.org...) to refute your litany of Masonic sources claiming adamantly that Masonry is NOT a religion. You take issue with Weldon, not with me, in this instance. I encourage you to read the entire essay with an open mind, but having asked others to do the same thing, I know I am asking too much.

Bill reiterated the several sources. I showed in Weldon's words that dispassionate authorities who have studied the institution have determined, quite easily, that Masonry is a religion, supported by the very elliptical quotes by Mackey, Coil, Pike, and Fort Newton in which they all make the same statement, in their own words.

Therefore, in light of your comment, "In your (Weldon's) expose' you state on the one hand that the vast majority of Masons say Masonry is not a religion." (That is what THEY SAY, but that is not the truth.) "Just three paragraphs later you completely contradict yourself by saying that many Masons make the lodge their religion." (Again, what they SAY, based on what they have been told over and over, that it is not a religion - when clearly it is.) "Just to point out this obvious oximoron. Either they do or they don't." The author Weldon is pointing out the labors Masons undertake to deny that the institution is a religion. As demonstrated by the series of quotes Bill cites.

"Since you state that many Masons make the lodge their religion would we not expect Masons themselves to be the best witness of this based on their close relationship to those accused?"

No, because to admit the religious nature of the institution would be tantamount for "Christian" Masons to admitting they were involved in worshipping two masters: which in fact they are, since Masonic manuals say that Hiram is a savior for Masons just like Jesus is a savior for Christians or Mohammed is a savior for Muslims.

"I personally know of no active Masons who look at Freemasonry as their religion. That debunks the theory that many Masons do. Surely if their were many, I would at least be aware of some would I not?"

Weldon says that the Baptist study of 1993 found that, "Nevertheless it was forced to confess that 'many men make the Lodge their religion.'"

How often have we heard the refrain that if a man can't be in church for some reason, he should be in the lodge, apparently to make up for his absence from his local church? And given the camaraderie and the masculine surroundings of the lodge, it is little wonder that many men would find more delight in being in the lodge as some sort of substitute for church when circumstances prevent church attendance.

"I do know of two men who treated Masonry as their religion. Thankfully they came to their senses, renounced their false religion and started going to chrurch (sic) where they now practice a true religion." (Which false religion did they renounce?) "I commend these two men for making a life saving decision. However, as you have rightly stated, the vast majority of Masons do not believe that Freemasonry improves their relationship with God one bit, but is more focused on their response to their fellow man."

(But is not the intent of Masonry to make good men better, by guiding each Mason to a more "worshipful" relationship with the GAOTU and revealing the "truth" behind the "Fatherhood of Good, Brotherhood of Man" statement?)

"Your allegation as to what priority Freemasonry takes in anyones life is pure judgementalism that you have no authority to make. You are really grasping at straws here seeing as you know none of these men personally, only through an internet chat room. The only persons priorities you can truly relate are your own."

I have seen the effects of misplaced priorities in the lives of Masons, including the pastor, and their families in my former church. I stand by what I wrote.

Excerpts from "Masonic Temples of Religion"

www.crownrights.com...

"According to Silas H. Shepherd, 'There is nothing better understood among Masons than that [Masonry] is not a religion....'(2) Such is the usual response that will be given by most Masons when the Lodge is questioned by concerned friends and relatives or subjected to criticism by churches or other Christian organizations. HOWEVER, THIS DENIAL IS INTENDED ONLY TO DECEIVE." (Emphasis added.) "While it is true that Freemasonry does not present itself as a religion (i.e. it is not sectarian), it is in fact believed by its initiates to be THE religion. This fact can be thoroughly documented from the writings of the most respected Masonic authorities themselves . . .

'There has been a needless expenditure of ingenuity and talent, by a large number of Mason orators and essayists, in the endeavor to prove that Masonry is not religion.... On the contrary, I contend, without any sort of hesitation, that Masonry is, in every sense of the word... an eminently religious institution -- that it is indebted solely to the religious element which it contains for its origin and for its continued existence, and that without this religious element it would scarcely be worthy of cultivation by the wise and good.... The tendency of all true Masonry is toward religion. If it make any progress, its progress is to that holy end. Look at its ancient landmarks, its sublime ceremonies, its profound symbols and allegories -- all inculcating religious doctrine, commanding religious observance, and teaching religious truth, and who can deny that it is eminently a religious institution?... Masonry, then, is, indeed, a religious institution; and on this ground mainly, if not alone, should the religious Mason defend it.'(6)"

[Source: Albert G. Mackey, An Encyclopedia of Freemasonry (Chicago, Illinois: Masonic Historical Company, 1921), Volume I, pages 617-619.]

Excerpt continued: "Like any religion, Freemasonry claims to be of divine origin, and therefore it seeks 'to establish the true religion of the most high God.'(7) Furthermore, while pretending to be the friend of all religions, the ultimate goal of Freemasonry is actually to destroy their basic belief systems and to replace them with its own 'morals and dogma.' The promise made to Entered Apprentices that Freemasonry will not interfere or contradict the individual’s personal convictions is very misleading, for the true goal of the Lodge is to 'strip from all religions their orthodox tenets, legends, allegories and dogmas,'(8) for 'there is but one true religion, one dogma, one legitimate belief.'(9) According to J. Blanchard: '[W]hatever may be the religious forms imposed upon you by superstition at a period of your life when you were incapable of discerning truth from falsehood, we do not even require you to relinquish them. Time and study alone can enlighten you. But remember that you will never be a true Mason unless you repudiate forever all superstition and prejudices.'(10)"

"All superstition and prejudices", IMHO, is a euphemism for any "sectarian" theology of whatever stripe.



posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 07:12 PM
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Boy I haven't seen a dodge like this since my 64 KIA.
And another question to the past 100 I have asked and you and your "benevolent" brothers seem to dodge.

In fact, given the "religion" of Freemasonry, perhaps you could give us the definitions from that same source, of the following religious aspects of Freemasonry, so that everyone is absolutely clear as to how Freemasonry is Religion but not "A RELIGION," and how it has:

An Altar, but not A ALTAR

Prayer, but not A PRAYER

Worship, but not A WORSHIP

God, but not A GOD

Volume of Sacred Law, but not A VOLUME OF SACRED LAW

Fellowship, but A FELLOWSHIP

The list goes on, but perhaps you can start with these.

Now for all the readers reading this M.L. wrote this little qoute. Of course it's a religious institution. Duh.

Nobody said it wasn't a "religious institution". We simply said it's not a religion.

Your example is self defeating, and here's why, and I'll make it really simple: Let me put it another way, using the Masonic concept of God:

A Mason's God can be classified as the "Great Architect of the Universe" (G.A.O.T.U.) without being "a God" of Freemasonry. True? However, it is still "a Supreme Being," isn't it?

Therefore, if Freemasonry can be classified as "religion" without being "a religion," then given your example, and mine, it stands to reason that it is STILL a RELIGION.

I'll let that one sink in...



posted on Apr, 11 2007 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Please watch the foul language. It's plain to see that you can't debate with a cool head.


I'm not "debating". I debate with respectable opponents. With your case, I simply show that you're quacking.

Although, of course, it's really unnecessary. You have a tendency to be able to hang yourself just fine without any help from me. You are condemned by your own words, not mine.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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Boy you sure can defend freemasonry well
Those two line come backs are really proving me wrong.
I also like the fact that you have dodged my last three posts. It's also nice to know that you know much more then the scholars of masonry Hall, Pike, and the others and the monitors that are posted here. Your defense is about as effective as a submarine with screen doors.
Good luck with the lies and spin.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Andy Warhol
And now to 2l82sk8 justify what hypocrisy? That masonry really lies. The masons on this board can't even defend the so called "craft."


Justify what hypocrisy, you dare ask? Oh the irony! The hypocrisy that you are still displaying in your very post right here. I spelled it out pretty good the first time, are you saying you didn't understand my question, or must you always find a spin to defame Freemasonry and dodge direct questions which question your own values and behavior here?

While I think you are lacking in many areas, I do not think you are intellectually impared, but I will take this step-by-step again for you again if I must. Here it is for a second time:


Originally posted by 2l82sk8How hyppocritical of you to be so maliciously antagonistic towards Masons as evidenced here, on a thread trying to promote tolerance, and you dare to compare yourself with the Apostle Paul and to Jesus Christ himself in your spiteful hateful pursuits?

How do you justify your obvious hypocrisy?

Seriously, I am asking you that direct question.


Seriously, I am again asking you that very same direct question?

Your excessive rhetoric and copying of quotes does nothing but take up space and is really disruptive to this thread. I'm sure you can find other threads in which to condemn Freemasonry.

You epitomize my point about your hypocrisy when you attack the Masons even in your answer to me, without answering my dioirect question. You behave hatefully and spitefully, how is that Christlike?


Originally posted by Andy WarholIf you or anyone else has a problem with what I have posted report it to the moderators of the board and they can have it removed.


Not a bad idea. Thank you. That may well have been the best contribution you've made here.


Originally posted by Andy WarholSo until then quit the crying and temper tantruams. I have just as much right to be here as anyone else. Like god said in the bible,"There shall be no other gods before me." You don't like what I have to say hit the ignore button


Are you now comparing yourself to God now?

I do ignore you for the most part, especially your long posts citing experts and their work on Freemasonry, etc....but it is still tiresome to have to scroll pasts the endless rhetoric you conitnue to spew time and again.

I don't actually hit my ignore button, because since I authored this thread, I feel somehwat responsible for the tone and content, both of which you detract from, and I am still interested in why people are anti-freemasons, and what type of people are anti-freemasons.

Now, I do not think I have been crying, nor having a tantrum in pointing out you are at the very least, hypocritical, and at the most, unwelcome and disruptive here. The truth for you is hard to understand it appears, and you are quick to spread falsehoods it seems, as I have not been crying nor having tantrums as you'd like to promote. This is what I don't want or need here in this thread.

Yes, You have a right to be here, and state an opinion and ask questions. However you don't have a right to disrupt the thread, or the flow with your tiresome and excessively long posts quoting and referencing things over and over again, dodging direct questions, and attacking others and making false claims.


Originally posted by Andy Warhol
As far as a list of what religions I don't like...any religion that denies Chirst's sheeding of his blood for sin is out. Clear enough?


Your intolerance is crystal clear, but no, I'd not say your answer is clear enough for me.

For instance, even Satanists can agree, and not deny, that Christs shedding of blood is for the sins of man, but they'd rather reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. But according to your criteria, you would you be more tolerant of them, than of a Buddhist. Correct?

I see that you admit you dislike, and have no tolerance for any religion other than your own Christian one, but I'd like to get a more difinitive answer. Within Christianity there are many denominations. Do you equally align yourself with Born Again Christians, Roman Catholic Christians, Baptists, Mormons, The reformed Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Seventh Day adventists, Episcopalians, Pentecostal, etc?



Originally posted by Andy Warhol
I do not have to lay down like a dog and read lie after lie put forth by the so called "members of the craft."


You can lie down anyway you want, but you are correct, you do not have to read ANYTHING by ANYONE, so if what is written here disturbs you to the point of attacking people and dodging questions yourself, I'd say, why not just leave and spare yourself the trouble?


Originally posted by Andy WarholI have asked many questions here and many have not been answered at all. Do I throw huge hissy fits? No.


I'd pretty much categorize most of your attacking posts as a type of hissy fit indeed. As far as your unanswered questions, I think they've been answered, just not to your liking. I have yet to see you answer questions very directly, and instead tirelessly quote others as if you had no mind of your own.


Originally posted by Andy Warhol
And yet these brothers of craft know much more then the scholars of masonry....


And yet you, not a scholar of Masonry or a Mason yourself, propose to know more? Backed up merely by quoting and possibly misinterpreting, or even deliberately misconstruing points of such scholars? :shk:

Let me remind you of what YOU pointed out...

Originally posted by Andy Warhol
the Apostle Paul commands us to speak the truth in love, which is what Jesus did His entire time on earth, especially to those who had sin in their lives or were rooted in their legalistic pursuit of Judaism.


What do you not understand about the meaning of your own words, or of the teaching of Paul or Christ? Again, I ask how you justify your actions here-your pure hypocrisy.

2l8

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posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament.



Originally posted by SpeakerofTruthWell, that's what the mainstream says... I don't see it, but, to each his/her own.


I agree. I was but giving my opinion/view/belief, but I am tolerant of all beliefs-even within Christianity- and if I disagree.


But do, you mean you literally think they are two different Gods? And the first didn't matter? Or was a false one? Not to get too off topic, I'm just interested in your views.

When Jesus prays and teachs man to pray to His and our Father in Heaven, is that the same God of the Old Testiment he prays to, and teachs us to pray to?

Just curious as to the views of others. SOmetimes, Im not exactly a "Mainstream" Christian myself.




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posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by 2l82sk8


When Jesus prays and teachs man to pray to His and our Father in Heaven, is that the same God of the Old Testiment he prays to, and teachs us to pray to?



I think that Jesus himself probably believed that it was, but Jesus' concept of God seems miles apart from the deity as expressed in many parts of the Old Testament. IMO, the god of Moses was sort of a local tribal god, whereas that of Jesus was more metaphysical and Platonic in nature.



posted on Apr, 12 2007 @ 10:08 PM
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It's good to see Andy's still around, spreading the Good News...

Andy: "Why aren't you eating apples? They're good for you."
Masonic Light: "I don't like apples. They disagree with my stomach."
Andy: "Stop dodging the question!!!"



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 12:02 AM
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A man can stand still with his eyes closed and practice his religion with no outward evidence of his religious intentions. Another man can stand with his eyes closed and contemplate how best to be exemplary in the discharge of his civil duties with no outward evidence of his civil intentions. How can you possibly know by observing these men; which is practicing religion? How can you prove it? How can you presume to tell another individual whether or not they are practicing a religion? The very religious liberty you now enjoy was forged for you with the help and approval of Freemasons. During the formative years of modern masonry religious intolerance by Christians resulted in torture and murder of more people than we will ever be able to number. If you want to refer to masonry as a religion, I don't mind. You can call it Marry Poppins if you want but you will never be able to prove that the activity in our minds is what you believe it to be. As Christians we must realize that intolerance has led to enough shed blood to fill an ocean. Do fires of intolerance burn within you Andy as they burned in mobs of Christians who barbecued women at the stake for collecting herbs in the forest?



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
I think that Jesus himself probably believed that it was, but Jesus' concept of God seems miles apart from the deity as expressed in many parts of the Old Testament. IMO, the god of Moses was sort of a local tribal god, whereas that of Jesus was more metaphysical and Platonic in nature.


Interesting. Thank you.

I wonder if we only have access to the writings which make the God of the OT seem purely vengeful though...I think there is much writings/accounts/knowledge missing we could benefit from. IMO I think to control people, they (The Church) used that 'fear of God' and use(d) the OT God as an example. I *hope* one day more will be revealed.

I do think you are correct and it was basically a rather tribal thing too, considering the people of the world, the practice of monotheism, the God of the Persians even etc...

but that is why I suppose the tribe was considered more of the chosen people...God's people etc...it was meant to be a trial thing, indeed.

The OT....It was a time of law and justice, Christ ushered in a final answer to 'The Law' through Mercy. Thank God He did!


Again, thanks for your thoughts.



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by RedPill
A man can stand still with his eyes closed and practice his religion with no outward evidence of his religious intentions. (snip)

As Christians we must realize that intolerance has led to enough shed blood to fill an ocean.


AMEN!! Thank you so much for that contribution RedPill.

I like you man...(or WOman)...

So, the red one leads to reality, I take it? You seem to have a good grasp.


2l8



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posted on Mar, 18 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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I'm not sure secret societies are just secret to avoid ridicule, interruption and harrassment, I think thats nieve thinking. But, I dont really know since I dont belong to any. My experience with secret societies is all bad. Cult activity at an Airforce base in Florida in the mid 70s caused my family to hide run and seek shelter. There was a base that had higher up members of this satanic cult and they were not happy with us and they commited crimes against us. The government pays us to this day. Secrecy might be fine might not... its the --NOT-- you have to worry about.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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I wont pretend to know anything, but when you have world leaders getting together in secret, thats a cause for concern. Especially when its ritualistic.



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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This is how people are going to die. To serve God, I will show you the truth behind human suffering. For God wants me to do this because it will save souls and cause him to be glorified regardless of life’s scenario’s. For I will expose the truth to you on how Satan can move on God’s good attention. This is the truth about God. He is your creator and he is also your greatest Love. He is your father and he is also your king which can also be your best Bud. Human suffering isn’t of God. God had no intentions on pain or evil coming in this world. But he had to allow it to happen to respect our decision on the freewill giving. He loved us so much that he gave us a choice not just to test us, but to show us that he Loved us regardless of the decision that we have made. And even when we disobeyed him and betrayed him, he still gave us hope and declared that he would always be there for us. Since we separated from him, it allowed evil and death to dominate the world. The evil and death that came into this world is also known as Lucifer and his fallen angels who’s sole mission is to destroy you.( Do you want to know what Lucifer Sin was? He fell in love with the wisdom and beauty God gave him, instead of the one who created him. If one falls in love with anything before God, it causes corruption and a foot hole for deceit. Because once Lucifer fell in love with himself, he became prideful. And his prideful lead to his rebellion when God tried to reason with him. Ever since then Lucifer vowed that he will never stop leading his children as far astray for him as possible.) God is so loving, when man’s choice ruined the paradise that God had intended for us. He promised us heaven, a place where no human was ever suppose to be. God went to such far of extremes to make sure that we spend life with him in his house. He sacrificed his son, The King in heaven for his own creation who became his enemy. If you don’t understand how powerful that is. Let me break it in terms which you can understand. Would a scientist who hated his creation, ever sacrifice his very own son. So that his creation can have the same exact level of perfection as him? I don’t think so. For those who suffer I will explain to you why you suffer. For those who do evil, I will tell you why you do evil. And I will prepare all of those for the inevitable which none of us can stop. Brace for shock, for the Kingdom of hell doesn’t want you to know the truth.


The truth is, some of us question God on why he allows evil to happen to us. But none of us question God ,on why he allowed Evil to happen upon himself, which he never had to experience. But none of us question God, on the importance of a question. I will tell you the importance of a question, it is folly to question the one who is the answer. Because the importance of the question is absolutely irrelevant. The questions came about, the moment we lost connection with our creator once we choice to serve ourselves rather then him. We had perfect intuition with an all knowing God who solved all our difficulties for us. And not only is he the answer, but the answer you are looking for, is that he is above the question. So you can question God, as long as you don’t question God ,and he will reveal the answer. Here is the answer on why God allows evil to happen. It is in the question, because evil is in the world. We choice evil rather than good, even when God told us what was going to happen. That we will Die that very same day. That is the answer to your question. Do you understand what that truly meant? That decision Adam & Eve which is also symbolic to every single male and female out here, is that we chose to experience Good and Evil. So since you know God, allow me to introduce you to Satan. Who is the source of all Evil….He is the captain of the damned. He is the general of human suffering. He is the president of deceit. He is the false god the Bible warns about, for he is the advisory of your soul. I am introducing him the way he likes to be known, a false since of glory and a false since of worship. But I will expose the folly in him in just a minute. Brace your self for shock once more, for what I am going to tell you will horrify you.

God all-powerful and all knowing revealed a specific message to me in a dream on what needed to get done. He caused me to meet Satan the actually devil in the Holy Bible. When I met him in person inside of my dream, I tell you the truth, I almost cracked to the pavement. He is an ordinary looking guy who is the nicest and coolest person I have ever met. We enjoyed a chicken teriyaki sandwich together in subway , having the craziest laughter I have ever experienced. I fell in love with him, until I realized who in the world I was speaking with. Then God omniscience has shown me where the Lord Jesus Christ dwells at, a young man interrupted my chicken sandwich and held me at gun point. He was going to rob me, I seen in his eyes that he wasn’t fit for the job. So I spared him, I dropped him so fast on his head and I had possession of the gun. The devil who I had shared laughs with kept quite, but I started receiving thoughts that I knew wasn’t coming from me. The thoughts said that I should kill him because this man will do it to many more. That he should be working, and that he is a menace to society. That the world is better off without him. I didn’t pull the trigger because I knew I wouldn’t be better then him neither. The moment I dropped down the gun, the devil rose up and said that he had to catch a train, and he left. That little kid became a blazing fire and told me , if I would of pulled the trigger I would have been consumed by it. The moral of the story is, that the world might need good & evil to coincide so we all can love, forgive and make it to heaven. That the greatest love can be witness when faced with the greatest evil. Satan said that most people will be laughing and wouldn’t believe what I am going to tell you. He told me the truth that he isn’t going alone, and that him and the fallen angels mission is to take as many people along with him. As you may know his greatest deception is to cause the world that he never existed. For he is the one that causes people to either forget God or do not believe in him. As the lord is my witness, this Angelic being who manifests himself in human form from time to time. Wants to paralyze me and cause me to curse God inside my head for as long as may live( Before he tries to cause me to electrify myself). Then he told me a harsh truth, that whoever reads any one of the scenarios below which I am going to tell you. It is going to eventually happen to you. And he will finish off that subway sandwich that God caused me to be distracted by, when you are in the midst of these scenerios. This is Lucifer who uses the ones closest to you , to get the Job done. If you want a better perception on my story that I Just told you, please watch The Devils Advocate starring Keanu Reeves and Robert Dinero.

*P.s . For all those who are in gangs or hate groups. For all those who are bias and all those who slander. And for all those who practice racism, I can understand you, and I encourage you to change from your ways. Because it isn’t your fault. This is the mind of Lucifer, who can manipulate your perception of reality. Causing himself to be seen in others, so you can destroy one another. Then he mocks the winning of the war with either laughter, pride and some more hatred. If you truly want to hate, if you truly want to kill. If you truly want to destroy. Please bring it to the true enemy, Lucifer and his falling Angels. For if both sides of the enemy actually repents and makes the right choices, the true evil is eventually revealed. Prayer is your greatest Ally, Because according to the Holy Bible, Vengeance belongs to the Lord.

For the atheist personnel God understands you. And he loves you, but he wants you to know that you are under Lucifer wings. If only you would mutter these words…Jesus, are you really God? And see how many Christian disciples he will send your way. If you only you ask God for help and to be aware on what he does in your ordinary life, it will one day save your soul. For the Christian backslider ( Likewise to lukewarm, or in the world disciples), be very very careful. For I will tell you the truth you are worst then a cop who ends up in prison. For the inmates under Satan’s authority isn’t going to mean mug you or harass you. They will pretend to be your best friends, until the moments God’s loving hand comes off of you. Then you will understand what true evil is.

Lucifer can not do anything without God’s permission. So since we chose Good & Evil in our freewill decision. Guess what is going to please God? What will please God is when we stay humble and loving when Good & Evil actually happens. For this is why he gave us Job, an actual and Allegoric figure who represents what to do when times of trouble approach. The whole story is symbolic on what God will do if we stay faithful to him. Evil will not remain if you stand firm in loyalty, but evil will remain if disobedience continues to happen. This is what happens when disobedience happens. God grants people thoughts and desire to fulfill his own purposes. If one rejects or blocks out his instruction, Satan steps in the picture and finds someone to fulfill the same will but in a different manner. I will give you a true life example. God grants one of The Lord Jesus Disciples who is a pastor to speak about the topic of Suicide. But since he already pre wrote what he was going to speak about, he declines, but the thought is still lingering. Since the thought is still lingering, Satan comes into the picture and makes sure that thought is fulfilled. This is the Lucifer the one that’s in the Bible, he will give that thought to someone who either lost a loved one or who is going through depression. Once they receive that thought, God can not intervene with there freewill mindset unless they pray about it. Since that person never prays, sooner or later they end up ending there own life. One may ask God, where did the intention of suicide come from? It come from putting any concern or matter above God. If you want to see this live in broad day light do this. Sit in a room full of people for one entire day. Let no one speak to one another, and I promise you. Your thinking and your thoughts, someone else will do if you overcome the uncomfortable emotion. Then you will know I don’t play games. Here is another example what really goes on in the world.

It is God’s will for Ted to die in a certain manner this day. It was God’s will to take Ted in his sleep with Carbon Dioxide leaking from his basement (Painless) so he can go to heaven where there is no more death or suffering. Since Ted wanted to serve himself, and go to a bar instead. Satan steps into the picture once again. Satan uses his fallen Angels which some of them send Ted thoughts to go to a liquor store. God gives Ted another chance to repent , by sending a Christian to share faith with Ted. But instead Ted laughs and says he already knows God. Satan steps into the picture once more. Satan just doesn’t want to destroy Ted, but wants innocent people as well. God knows Satan’s mind, so he causes Susan’s mother to tell her to stay home. Susan disobeys her mother in complete Pride ( The spirit of Satan. ) which the Bible tells her what not to do. Ted gets drunk, and enters the vehicle. Susan in her anger and disobedience leaves the house, but something tells her to stay home. Susan denies that gut feeling and continues the process. Remember I told you that it was God’s will for Ted to die that day? Well God will is going to be done regardless. Ted ends up striking Susan with the vehicle, Ted ends up being impaled by a the force of his steering wheel while Susan is disfigured because it wasn’t God’s will for her to die yet. This is the war, God tries to take people home to heaven in a gentle manner, Satan causes this process to be fulfilled in the most brutal manner. This is the constant warfare of Good & Evil which people do not realize. Why does God allow evil, pain and death to happen? God will question them back and say Why did they disobey him? If they would of obeyed him, Ted would of went quick and painless. And if Susan would of obeyed her mother, her heart would have been soft to receive Jesus Christ as here Lord and savior.

A lot of people want to know where was God when those little kids was killed by that gunman. For I tell you the truth, God was with them the entire time. God puts charge over them governed by the Archangels who spare them from suffering. Automatically they are gone, the Archangels releases the chemical '___' in the little children’s brain. They never felt a thing, but instead they get to enjoy paradise once again with there loving father. The one’s who suffer is the ones who are left behind. So why did God allow that to happen? I don’t think he did. I believe he told the school’s staff to tighten up on security, but they disobeyed him. I believe he tells the united states government to ban guns. But they disobey him. I believe he tries to reason with that man’s mind when he told him not to hate. I believe he tells people the possibility of this scenario everyday in the Holy Bible so it can be overcame in fasting and prayer. For those parents who can overcome this scenario and still love him. This is what God will do. Not only can he use them to prevent and avoid further tragedy, not only can he use them to comfort those in the very same scenario. But it grants them another opportunity to get closer to their creator where he reveals himself that much greater. Not only will they remember and see there children in glorified bodies who will never perish. But they can be considered as one of those who overcame and withstood the trial. For God feels a whole lot more pain then we do, for he is the one who creates them. A lot of people do not understand that God and the little ones are actually waiting for them. For the children passed their trial without complaint, for God hopes they too can do likewise ,so they can be blessed for everlasting. Where was God again? We should ask where was Satan? I will show you where Satan was….

Do you remember the movie The Dark night starring Heath ledger? Well while the box office ranked millions of dollars of an action film. Satan was showing you who he truly was right in front of you. Heath ledger was acting but Satan wasn’t. There is something called the 3rd eye chakra, once you focus on something for so long. It opens up their minds to spiritual powers that govern the world today. Heath ledger wanted to become joker. So he had to become joker. Joker has the mind of evil. So even though heath ledger was acting, but the mind that helped him act out evil, wasn’t joking. When the movie was over, Satan just began. He caused Heath ledger to commit suicide for glorying evil. This is called Spiritual Warfare where Good & Evil starts off with the thoughts that one receives. Bane from the dark night rises, is also Lucifer which caused that masked man to mimic his way and his actions, bringing movie into reality. Have you ever wondered why they aren’t many Christians in important or in high positions? Because it is where they focus their mind, and where they focus there mind it’s who they receive. Not everyone is a Joker. But some people have different sins to display. So depending on there sin, depends on the outcome. Depending on there position of power, determines the influence of evil they have on one person live. So if you think Satan is some red head guy with horns and a pitchfork , Your sadly mistaken. Satan is absolutely the personality behind your entertainment and worldly pursuits. Do you understand how evil Satan is. You just never know what the next person near you is laughing at. (And you thought you knew what was actually happening in the grid. Where Satan also uses finance to destroy you. Most people die in this world because you never know what they were going to try to do. For I feel bad for those who have their minds focused on their Jobs. Because they have no clue what’s waiting ahead of them. I will give you an example, that die hard worker who put his mind on his Job rather than God before the great depression.)

If you think your choices just effect your next coarse of action, there is something really wrong with you. If you thought you were some type of play boy or Joe millionaire, try getting married before knowing God and see what happens to you. Remember those 5 girls you slept with, that you boasted about with your friends. God didn’t like that, you took his darlings virginity before marrying her, which represents you guys becoming one flesh. If you don’t ask for forgiveness, then Satan has entered the room. If you think your some type of pretty boy on face book, Satan will rise up a Tom Cruise that will dominate your love affairs while you are still together. And you know how the rest unfolds …STDS, murder and a kid that isn’t even yours. The only way to overcome this Spiritual juggernaut is by constant praying and fasting in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. For those who think this is some type of game. You will remember my words when it actually happens to you…….

God wants you to know before your time comes about. That death is inevitable. I pray we understand that. So for those who have wives and children, what do you think is going to happen to you? I am here to prepare, warn and help you avoid the worst case scenario. Do you remember that guy who ask you for change on that corner? God remembers, so does Satan. Do you remember that person that asked you for help? God remembers, so does Satan. Do you remember that church you walked by when you enjoying your evil? God remembers, so does Satan. If you don’t understand what I am trying to talk to you about. All of your deeds are counted and weighed which can result on how you and your loved ones will die. If you think death is the final chapter, I beg you to think the differ. For those who do not know him, the way they died is nothing compared to what there going to experience. And for those family members who do not know him, Satan steps in once again. And plants nothing but thoughts and emotion of either suicide or homicide. For those who know God, they have the victory of death and have the promise of heaven.


As Jesus Christ said all the chaos will happen when you least expect it. According to the Holy Bible people will be eating and drinking and marrying when this happens. Let me give you a small dosage of the wrath he is going to demonstrate . The true meaning on what Jesus was trying to explain, is something like this. The day you get married( The Greatest day in your life), you have no clue that 2 years from now you will have no legs. Or the day that you have kids, you find out there are going to be kidnapped brutally and they do not make it to heaven. How does this happen? Because things just don’t happen according to the will of God. Certain things happen when it wasn’t suppose to be the will of God. The will of God wanted you to hold of on your plans with your boyfriend so you can get closer to him. He sends multiple people your way to give you small encouragement and advice to stay away from a relationship. You deny him, so you know what Satan does. He introduces you to Mr. right and fulfills the desire in your heart. And at a moment when they least expect it , he takes them out of your life in a manner that will horrify you. How does God stop this? He does, but people do not know the difference when they hate and curse him when relationships do not happen your way. Do you understand how evil Satan is? He can cause desires of your heart to be fulfilled when it wasn’t God’s will. This is how he can also destroy hearts and souls. He uses your greatest memories and makes it your worst reality. How do you prevent this? You can not, that is something which will devastate you the moment you realize it. The best you have is to ask the Lord Jesus Christ for mercy through prayer and fasting. And he can also spare you from this by allowing you to prevent and avoid this. So those who are lonely and don’t have love ones in there life. Please be grateful. Because the ones who you secretly Envy, will one day hate you. And for the ones who hate, God gave us a special place called prison.

Prison is a mind captivity which is designed to lead your mental state to repentance. God forgives every last single one of those inmates no matter what they have done. Once they completely change, do you know what Satan does? He causes the general public to judge them. The moment they judge them, they themselves too will be judge and even be faced with the same exact test as them, for thinking they were better then them. If they never change or overcome, the alpha Omega will judge them according to his word. Where the next place they will be going isn’t going to have Rec time or chow time. Brother’s who hate brothers the fires of hell we do not escape neither. Do you understand or comprehend this yet? If you don’t, this is why God used the Apostle Paul as a servant of The Lord Jesus Christ. He is also an actual and Allegoric universal figure which is what God expects you to do, when one leaves their sinful passed behind to obey him.


For my Christian brothers and sister we are not spared neither. Loving God here on earth will highly be tested as well. How will this happen? Job’s scenarios is not fiction. Do you understand if Job would of Cursed GOD, he would of ended up leaving Job in his current situation. But since he worshipped him even though he took his kids, finance( Sheep) and his body. Not only did he restore this , but blessed him even more. For those Christian brothers and sisters who desire a mate and family, know what you are asking for before you receive it. Because it will one day be used against you. Remember God endures to the very end. And since Good & Evil is in the world, guess what will please him? When you can overcome Good & Evil by the blood of the lamb. Remember, I do not recall The Lord Jesus Christ having a wife nor did he have any type of family of his own. He showed the ones who never receive this, that it is possible to live a peaceful and joyful life without it before going to heaven. Do you understand how perfect heaven is? Satan didn’t want the Lord Jesus Christ to experience this even though he didn’t have the Love of people desires. So Satan caused the Crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ that much severe. How much Severe? I will demonstrate to you a small sample.

Forget about the physical torment which you have heard about which left his physical body being unrecognizable as a human being. But when he was hanging on the cross, he wasn’t chilling on that tree as people think he was. Spiritual Warfare occurred again, so severe upon him that The Lord Jesus Christ forget that he was even on the cross. Satan was bringing up memories of boredom, pain and lack of faith against him. With all of this happening, the Lord Jesus Christ lost touch with reality. Do you not understand that Jesus has the mind of God? And the mind of God isn’t governed by time? Well let me give you a glimpse of what truly happened to him on that cross. What seemed like 6 hours and plus, Satan can make seem like 6 years and some change. Satan’s goal was causing Jesus to forget that he was God. Do you understand how evil Satan is? If that would of happened, every single last one of us would be burning to death. With No hope of heaven. The worst is yet to come. Jesus Christ had to receive all of our Sins before God almighty left him on that cross. Do you not understand that they have always been together in a infinite reality? And once they finally separated from one another which never ever happened, Jesus also never experience what sin truly is. So think about this, your worst feeling and emotion was upon him the entire time. So do you know something about fear? How about experiencing death face to face in a life and death scenario. That’s what the Lord did with other sinful natures such as extreme, extreme unfulfilled Sexual lust and human pride( AND HE HATES PRIDE). Which caused Jesus to snap and ask Why has God forsaken him. If you think this is bad, how about when Satan comes back in the picture and PRETENDS THAT HE IS GOD. Telling him he failed his entire mission, and he should come down from that cross and come home to heaven. Do you understand how evil that is? Because Jesus knew that he wasn’t going to heaven, he wasn’t going to face the grave which lead him to Hell (Hades). Hell and the lake of fire are two different places , and Jesus going to Hades *can be* an actual and allegoric representation of Jesus spirit ministering to the ones who perished that didn’t know him. So the next time you can hate or curse God, endure 10% what he has, and see if you can still survive.

Do you think that humans are the only ones that are going to be judged? How about those Extraterrestrials that the world knows nothing about? If you think they are coming from outer space in some shiny space craft, I want you t reconsider that thought. They are already here, and they do not need no spaceship craft if they can teleport and manipulate time and matter. If you think this is some type of Joke, why Don’t you pray to God and ask him to reveal what the Bible calls the Fallen Angels. I do not want to give away what they actually do, but I tell you the truth they make Hitler and napoleon look like Bob Sagit from full house. I do not like them nor what they do, so I hope you pray to God to destroy them because they are defiantly behind human suffering and “Spiritual torment.” They also control human beings through there 3rd eye chakra. I will give you an example of what they actual do, to let you know God isn’t behind it. A female enters a club or strip joint with a mind of Sexual Lust ( Which God Commands to be pure). Since your 3rd eye chakra is connected to other human beings. As soon as she leaves that place of establishment, her mind radars someone with similar evil that these UFO beings connects them with. They do not connect them with an average person, they will find a human predator who is capable of rape and mutilation. And that guy who causes the rape and mutilation, it wasn’t even there fault. For those same beings caused an event in this person life, which was so cruel and sick that he became like this because it happened to him. The moment he “Chose” to disobey God, they granted him a whole new set of choices, which not one of them were good. This is when the Fallen Angels come into play. They themselves have a glimpse of the Will of God in peoples lives. So what they will do is, they will cause something to happen to you in the present, to start or accomplish something in the future. And it happens so settle you will cry when you realize the truth. Just by manipulating certain human emotion to occur at the wrong place at the wrong time. Where most demons are actually behind certain addictions such as drugs, alcoholism and being insane. If you think those people in the psyche ward are crazy, you are correct. But is not due to a mental illness. It is the fallen angels which are absolutely inside of peoples minds. How do I know this? I was in the building, representing the Lord Jesus Christ. These falling angels are also time travelers which they gave human beings the same exact technology which was invented by Nicholas Tesla. (I wonder what DEVCRU has to say about this)
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If you think I am making things up, Amen. I will show you what the Holy Bible has to say about Teleportation.

John 6:16-21 – Now when evening came, His disciples went down to the sea, and after getting into a boat, they started to cross the sea to Capernaum. It had already become dark, and Jesus had not yet come to them. The sea began to be stirred up because a strong wind was blowing. Then, when they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near to the boat; and they were frightened. But He said to them, “It is I; do not be afraid.” So they were willing to receive Him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land to which they were going.
The Sea of Galilee is approximately 13 miles long and 13 miles wide.( I went to Israel as well) The disciples rowed about three or four miles across. Then the boat, Jesus, and everybody and everything in it, immediately reached the other side!

The second passage is the one most often used to support the claim of teleportation as a spiritual gift. It is found in Acts 8:39-40.

"When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea."

The third passage is in Judges 6;21
With the tip of the staff that was in his hand, the angel of the LORD touched the meat and the unleavened bread. Fire flared from the rock, consuming the meat and the bread. And the angel of the LORD disappeared.

ET’s can stop the will of God, by causing specific peoples predestination of his and give them freewill choices. How they can telepathically send you one thought, before you receive a thought from God. For instance they give a brother in Christ a thought of masturbation which all the time ends up in evil and sin ( Besides masturbation drains the life force from your very own soul. ) Those who deny those thoughts, you can receive Gods mind now. And do something wonderful as write an influential essay that can be used to deliver souls from hell. ( Why does God allow them to strike first? Because God is humble and expects you to overcome them) This is the meaning when Jesus Christ was in the desert fasting for 40 days and 40 nights fighting off Satan’s temptations. After he overcame, the Holy Angels ministered to him, so he can start his public ministry ( The Will of God ). For the Lord thy God has great mercy on those who live Holy. In the Book of Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. Enoch is an actual person who is also represented in The Holy Bible as a symbolic and Allegoric figure who God raptures out for pleasing him. God is trying to show us, that if you please him well enough by mastering your choices and obedience towards him. He to can deliver you from this evil creation that Satan and man has caused. He absolutely does this all the time without anyone knowing it. It isn’t by coincidence people on the news just end up missing or find up dead from some strange reasons. God can take them off the planet either in physical from or in their sleep ( The Book of Enoch). This will happen in the massive as soon as the great tribulation begins. For I tell you the truth, when the great tribulation begins you will understand what truly the game Resident evil meant. That is the Lord speaking to you. Obey him.

How do I know about this? My Navy SEAL training days and my OD spiritual walk with God has revealed all of this revelation. I tell you the truth they grounded and floored me multiple times when one comes to acknowledgment of the truth. Have you ever wondered why something evil happens when something good happens to you in life? How about this, in order to survive. The only two good things which are good in this life is Gods Holy Spirit and the Word of God. All else in his eyes are the same and I concur on that. When they least expect it. For all those who want to blame God for there mistakes and poor choices. It isn’t God who is responsible for that, it is Satan who God allows it to happen. Why? Because since Adam & Eve sinned in the garden of Eden, it allowed the human body/brain to be wired for damnation. So no matter what you do in life, remember what you are truly waiting for… death to arrive. Your lack of obedience or worship towards him will cause this event to become more extreme. When God Will needs to be done. It will be done. If you disobey him, no matter what happens he will some way get his will done. For instance if God will is to take you child home( heaven) if you obey him. He will spare them for great suffering and agony. So God can do something like cause you to turn you’re AC on, and have your child pass away from breathing in some type of fumes. A gentle way of taking away what God used for his own purposes in your life. But if you disobey him, that’s when Satan steps into the picture. Satan has to obey and serve the will of God in your life as well. He is allowed two choices. If he goes with the original plan, Satan will control the out coarse of action. For instance our Loving God, wants to take us out of this evil world with minimal suffering and pain. Satan does the opposite. So that first example I gave you with the AC is a joke to him. What Satan will do is, he will have gas fumes leak from your house and have your children be scotched in heat. If you aren’t in the house with them, Satan isn’t finished with your trial. He will try his hardest to have one of the parents kill themselves or cause a divorce , for lack of obedience to God Almighty. If they would of obeyed God, God would of defiantly guarded their hearts and their minds. Satan second alternative is to control there life and death experience in how he see‘s fit. Let me give you another example on how this work in this evil grid. People die in multiples, Satan also keeps people alive to influence other to be killed or dammed.

All it takes is one disobedience from one of God’s people, or the obedience to one of Satan people. ( Spiritual Warfare.) So God has to be God and allow humans to govern themselves with the freewill he has given them. Once someone makes a choice, if he intervenes it will most likely change their choices. If you change one person choices , you change the entire world. Do you understand that it was absolutely God trying to stop this from happening? Do you know how many people he gave the spirit of prophecy where most Christians do not believe in? All it would of took was one loyal Christian disciple to do what the Lord has told them to do. If they would of found that Serial Killer about a couple of months before hand, shared faith with them . None of this tragic events would of happened. But do you understand how this works? If this would of never happened, no one would of ever know the terror that could of taken place. So people take advantage of there everyday lives, because everything seems normal. And they eventually forget to give thanks to God for things such as peace and protection. And he has to allow events like this to either wake them up, to tell them the truth on where there are at . In order to save their souls. Do you understand why the archangels battle for dreams and thoughts in the lives of people( The Book of Daniel). Give the president the thought to drop an atomic bomb on Russia, and see what happens in the world today. You no what, that’s to unrealistic. That is movie made. The truth how spiritual warfare really happens is, all it takes is just an specific look or glance from one world leader to another world leader. And then pride kicks in, then everything else . Well you know. Take a look at history.

If Someone receives a thought that comes from God. And if they reject it. It will go to another vessel who can control how the process is played out but must lead to the same outcome. When someone doesn’t receive a thought from God. Another person will. How do you know what comes from God and what comes from satan, I will give you a ruby, please read this. 2 Corinthians 10:5 ( Prayer and the word of God.)

If you really want to know who Satan really is and what he really does. Please watch the movie SEVEN with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman , for that is the actual Lucifer in the Holy Bible. Everything you need to know about him is in that movie minus the torment and hell flames which is best demonstrated in the END of the movie SILENT Hill. If you think I am joking about Hell being a real place. The Martyr’s of the Lord Jesus Christ made this scene that I just gave you seem rated pg 13. www.youtube.com... If you really want to know how Extraterrestrials get down, watch the movie “The Box”, for the box is symbolic to human choices.( You can watch this at You tube, Net Flix or Red Box) Atheist people I am sorry to say, if you don’t believe in God, the three movies I just listed above is your hope and your dreams one day. So are you ready for this to happen to you? Your being told now so when it happens, you are well prepared. For I tell you the truth brothers and sisters there is no greater honor in dying as a servant of The Lord Jesus Christ. Because regardless of what they try to do, if you believe in him, I will see you in heaven, holding it down in the name of the Lord. Please pray for me since I just told you what happens in the Grid….. Prepare for War, for fear is the greatest motivation…





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