Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Masonic light that's the best you can come up with.
Yes, showing that you have once again lied is the best I can come up with, and was sort of the whole point.
Ronald Reagan has often been referred to as a Freemason.
And the earth has been referred to as flat. What's your point?
President Reagan is not a Freemason although he is an honorary member of the Imperial Council of the Shrine.
Why? Because you say so?
President Reagan has on numerous occasions been involved in Shrine and Masonic functions throughout his career."
Really? So what exactly were these "functions"? Where were they held? When? What were they for? Are are you just blowing more smoke?
If Johnson would have continued he would have been a mason. He went to one meeting. He proably thought twice. Being pulled around by another man,
blind folded, half naked, and being part of a all male club made him think otherwise.
That's something I'm quite proud of. Johnson, after all, was a complete idiot. The great men (Washington, Franklin, Revere, Hancock) not only
completed all their degrees, but became leaders in the Craft. I'll take them over Johnson any day.
The major issue in determining whether Masonry is a religion is to look at its demands on the candidate.
Why do you keep going off-topic, trying to talk about religion? Religion is not the issue. Who the hell cares if someone wants to call it a religion?
That's not the subject.
So Masonic Light, So you are saying you know more about why Masonry should not consider itself a religion than Albert Mackey, Joseph Fort Newton,
Albert Pike, and Henry Wilson Coil, right? They all KNEW what it was - a religion. But you say you know more than they, right?
Just to set the record straight, your lie concerning this has already been exposed. Especially with Pike, who was very blatant:
Masonry is not a religion. He who makes of it a religious belief, falsifies and denaturalizes it
. - Pike, "Morals and Dogma", p. 161.
Now you say that Albert Pike considered Masonry a religion. Pike really said the opposite as we can see. If you didn't already now, someone who makes
a false claim about something someone said is called a "liar".
The four gentlemen I quoted are sine qua non four of the top ten or so of the most famous Freemason authorities of all time,
No, they're not. Indeed, outside of the United States, especially in Masonry's birth country of England, practically no one has ever heard of
yet you dismiss them out of hand because you are set in your beliefs.
I haven't dismissed them at all. I've only dismissed you
. As for Pike, and to a lesser extent Mackey, one would be hard pressed to find
someone who admires and respects them more than I.
These four - Pike, Mackey, Coil, and Fort Newton - are REVERED in the Scottish and York Rites especially because of their "mastery" of the
true secrets of the craft. You can find plenty of information about any one of them on the Internet. I would be happy to give you several website
references so you could judge for yourself, but somehow you leave the impression, like so many other closed-minded Masons, that you are oblivious to
written proof by these famous Masons and others --admitting and even boasting that it is a religious institution.
Of course it's a religious institution. Duh.
Nobody said it wasn't a "religious institution". We simply said it's not a religion
Your local lodge library should have copies of each of their important contributions to Freemasonry. If not, your lodge librarian is being
delinquent in his duties to have such basic materials for all Masons in your lodge.
lol, that's a rich one. I own their books, and have been studying them since probably before you were even born.
Obviously, if someone wants to learn about what Pike wrote, they should ACTUALLY READ PIKE'S BOOK instead of kooky websites that have an obvious
agenda in misquoting him. For those who'd rather READ Pike rather than just read ABOUT him, "Morals and Dogma" can be read online in its entirety
In an earlier post, I recommended not only the essay, The Masonic Lodge and the Christian Conscience, but also the sermon, Freemasonry and
Christianity, by the late Alva McClain. McClain uses Mackey's definitive work on Freemasonry to prove the point we have all been making with you.
Just read the sermon, that's all.
Thanks, but no thanks. Sermons aren't exactly my cup of tea.
But you seem far too closed-minded and seem to dismiss what we are helping you to see:
Again, who's this "we"? As for close-minded, perhaps you take a look in the mirror sometime.
the validity and overwhelming support for our thesis that Masonry is indeed a religion based on another god separate from the God of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob, and father of our Lord Jesus Christ. How many Protestant denominations, and the Roman Catholic Church and Orthodox Christianity in
all branches, have stated formal positions and written long explanations of why Masonry is a religious institution that is paganistic and is devoted
to serving false gods? You tell me.
And yet once again, for the millionth time, why do you keep bringing this up. What in the world have I ever said that would even slightly suggest that
I'm concerned with what Catholics, Protestants, and the Orthodox think?
If you decide that Masonry is a better religion for you than Christianity, that is fine.
I don't think that Masonry is a better "religion" than Christianity is. I do, however, think that Buddhism and Taoism are
If men so choose, that is fine. The Bible says you will be asked for an account of why you rejected Jesus. Make your case before God as you are
elevated to what your institution calls, "the celestial lodge above." Me, I shudder at having to tell God I did not believe in Jesus but chose
instead to believe in the teachings of Masonry and the supremacy of something called Jahbulon.
And I shudder to think that your programming by the religious elite is so obviously complete.