UK captives tell of ill treatment

UK captives tell of ill treatment

news.bbc.co.uk

Royal Navy personnel seized by Iran were blindfolded, bound and held in isolation during their 13 days in captivity, the crew have said.
They were also subject to random interrogation and rough handling, and faced constant psychological pressure.

In a joint statement the crew also stressed that they were inside Iraqi waters at the time of the capture.

Royal Marine Captain Chris Air said it became apparent that opposing their captors was "not an option."

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[edit on 4/6/2007 by shots]

[edit on 6-4-2007 by UM_Gazz]

I am not surpirsed at all by this are you?

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(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 4/6/2007 by shots]

Not surprised at all.

But to be honest, with all the smiles and handshakes on tv, even I was beginning to doubt my own beliefs on the matter, but that just shows how effective the propaganda was at the time!

No surprises AT ALL. Only a gunshot away from mock executions again

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They were also lined up against a wall while weapons were cocked, making them "fear the worst".

I'm also sad to say I am not very surprised by some people in this country who have been talking about court marshals for not resisting and acting friendly towards the Iranian people. Morons - I'd like to see how they would cope.

From what I read they were treated like what they were; An group of sailors from another country who Iran thought was breaching their waters. Its not like they were beaten, or starved. Did they think they were going to be chilling by the pool while the whole hostage thing was sorted out. Whether or not they were really on Iranian waters is not the point right now. But the point is they were considered criminals to the iranians and they were treated as such. Just because they 'feared for there lives' does not been they were mistreated. Mistreatment is went you anre beaten or fingers are ripped off in order to gain information. Iran did none of this. Thats my 2cents.

Originally posted by Muppetus Galacticus
No surprises AT ALL. Only a gunshot away from mock executions again

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They were also lined up against a wall while weapons were cocked, making them "fear the worst".

Thanks for the link to that story sure puts a new light on the story for sure because that is far worse then most sources were reporting. I would imagine now that the writers have had time they have gone over their notes and inserted more information which is good. we need the truth to get out.

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Avenge them with bombs! WAR WAR WAR Wwwwwwweeeeeeeee Neo-Cons rejoice.

They are treated better than captives at Gitmo. I am sure it was scary, but they were not physically harmed.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by AMANNAMEDQUEST]

What a misleading title shots.

Illtreatment?

Bound and isolated, holy bajeezas, we'd better outlaw Iran.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, Iran treated their prisoners 100x better than the coalition is treating its prisoners in Iraq, Gitmo or Eastern EU.

Illtreatment, what a load of crap.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, Iran treated their prisoners 100x better than the coalition is treating its prisoners in Iraq, Gitmo or Eastern EU.

The British sailors are much different than the prisoners held at Gitmo and the other areas (most of them). Most people who are held are fighting against the US or are terrorists. These British soldiers weren't fighting against Iran nor endorsed the killing of Iranian citizens. So any mistreatment is purely unarguable mistreatment.



[edit on 6-4-2007 by RetinoidReceptor]

Originally posted by AMANNAMEDQUEST
They are treated better than captives at Gitmo. I am sure it was scary, but they were not physically harmed.

Well the first article says they were handled rough so your point is debatable because holding a cocked gun to ones head sure is..

Why are they different?
They are being held by another country, they are classed as prisoners.
Iran detained them, like we detain people.

Im not saying Iran is an angel in this situation, they could of done things differently.

But holy jee's, to call bound and isolated mistreatment, is quite far of the scale of reality.

They were fed, they were clothed, and they were sent home.

What about that exactly is mistreatment?

I really hope people are buying into this crap,

mistreatment? c'mon... is that like the last braincell left or something?
Are people really that desperate for a reason to hate Iran?

If people catergorize this as mistreatment, i challenge them to spell the word.
Because clearly, they have NO CLUE as to what they are saying!

[edit on 6-4-2007 by Agit8dChop]

What a misleading title shots.

Not misleading, he is just posting how the servicemen were treated... This came from the horses mouth the Sailors, marines who were there, you wouldnt know what they were going through you were not there.....

Illtreatment?

Yes and There was ill treated...

Bound and isolated, holy bajeezas, we'd better outlaw Iran.

But holy jee's, to call bound and isolated mistreatment, is quite far of the scale of reality.

Most of that what Iran done was staged for propoganda reasons... they had their own interests in mind not the servicemen/wpmen they detained..... Would believe those marines, sailors way before Id believe the Iranians.... again they were there, they went throught it, you did not.....

:: Sailors and marines were "blindfolded, our hands were bound and we were forced up against a wall".

:: Lt Carman could hear people cocking weapons. He added: "That was the worst moment. There was a lot of trickery and mind games being played."

:: Later they were stripped and put into pyjamas.

:: The questions were quite aggressive and the handling was rough.

:: Were interrogated most nights.

:: They were given two options. "If we admitted that we had strayed, we would be back on a plane to the UK pretty soon."

:: After a week in captivity, detainees were taken out in evenings to play chess and socialise, under the glare of the Iranian media.

:: Blindfolded and handcuffed most of the time.

:: Were kept in 8ft x 6ft cells.

:: "Ordeal none of us will ever forget".

:: Only woman in the group, Faye Turney, who "confessed" to the group being in Iranian waters, was kept isolated from the men.

:: After about four days, she was told they had been released, flown back to Britain and she was on her own.


You might think it its crap that is ur opinion, you are entitled to it, as well as I am entitiled to mines..

They were ill treated simple and plain to see.... So much for Iran having the moral highground eh....

It was "ill-treatment" as soon as the Iranians came into Iraqi waters. I dont think this qualifies as torture. It certainly doesn't qualify as an example of Britains famous, "stiff upper lip." I would be embarrased if US marines or sailors acted so sadly in the face of oppostion. Pawns of an enemy state and fodder for their propoganda machine. The ONLY thing they should have done was shut-up. Name-rank-ID #? Ring a bell anyone?

The female in particular is a disgrace and IMO an example of why women shouldnt be allowed in combat roles. The men acted as cowards. Poor Admiral Nelson is spinning in his grave.

The liberal "bitchification" of men in our culture may be OK in times of peace but there are still plenty of good reasons to raise MEN.

The entire episode will lead to worse problems in the future.

Imho we'll never hear "the truth" from either side.

When the soldiers were captured by Iran, they said what Iran wanted them to say.

When back home, they say what they are ordered to say. They are soldiers

Remember that both sides have a clear agenda.

Whats twisted in all this is that the land of freedom, peace and democracy seem to be hellbent to start another war, pushing the UK to want the same, while Iran used this to defuse the propaganda against it to stop a war against them.

The entire situation is messed up and I for one am getting ready for the #storm thats clearly coming.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Why are they different?
They are being held by another country, they are classed as prisoners.
Iran detained them, like we detain people.

Im not saying Iran is an angel in this situation, they could of done things differently.

But holy jee's, to call bound and isolated mistreatment, is quite far of the scale of reality.

They were fed, they were clothed, and they were sent home.

What about that exactly is mistreatment?

I really hope people are buying into this crap,

mistreatment? c'mon... is that like the last braincell left or something?
Are people really that desperate for a reason to hate Iran?

If people catergorize this as mistreatment, i challenge them to spell the word.
Because clearly, they have NO CLUE as to what they are saying!

[edit on 6-4-2007 by Agit8dChop]

I agree although no one can discount what they claim is anyone at all surprised that now they're back home and after being debriefed that they're not going to say 'well actually we were treated ok'...of course they're going to be shopped out in front of the public like this.

So you are saying that no need of trial is needed for the iranian guards,maybe a few medals will be a good idea (ups..they already done this one)...Not to speak about apology...
We all know that Iran and US are like siter countries and Ahmenijad an Bush best buddies
Did I said I hate moral relativism...

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

What about that exactly is mistreatment?
[edit on 6-4-2007 by Agit8dChop]

The prisoners at Gitmo are clothed, fed, and get medical care when needed (the Red Cross is even present).

The largest complaint against the US is solitary confinement for hours and blind folding.

Hmmmm....Iran does the same. They just didn't do it for a long time. And it wasn't for humanitarian reasons either.

Originally posted by Gatordone
The female in particular is a disgrace and IMO an example of why women shouldnt be allowed in combat roles. The men acted as cowards. Poor Admiral Nelson is spinning in his grave.

Oh...you should forgive them for wanting to go home and see their family and children and not be stuck in Iran for 7 years or worse.

I'd like to see what you would do.

But it is much easier for you to sit on your ass and spout BS online.

Of course they would get treated better than other prisoners, they were innocent!!!

And the Iranians knew they would have to release them sooner or later, so they made the best of the situation used them for their personal proproganda. Imagine if they were beaten then release, war will be enevitable for retaliation. But no harm, just pshycological interrigation, so it couldn't justify war.

Whatever the case, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Now if they were guilty, say if they murdered someone, no doubt they would have been beaten and thrown into the deep abyss. Your comparing apples to oranges, c'mon use your brain.