Roseanne Barr Blasts Zionism & Israel

Are raving loud-mouth fat girl has beens the next hip thing? It makes me wish I was morbidly obese, clinically depressed and patently insane. John Goodman would be rolling in his grave. Oh wait, he's the Dunkin Donuts guy now.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I still think Rosanne Barr is a brainless slob

How utterly insightful (or should that be "incite-full").

Is asking for reasons for why you choose to defame some one asking too much? After all, what merit is there in discussing whether or not some one is a "brainless slob". We'll really hit the high notes of intelligent discourse discussing that polarizing polemic

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Are raving loud-mouth fat girl has beens the next hip thing?

Yet another example of champagne repartee. Can we make this thread worthwhile or shall it continue to be the equivalent of a toilet stall wall?

[edit on 5/4/07 by subz]

people don't like the truth to be told

They ended up trading jewish lives for land, instead of standing together with the socialist factions that opposed hitler. Zionism was the last nail in the casket of European jewry.

there is always resistance 2 truth however first of all, zionism and being jewish are two different things


and secondly it IS ok to criticize some jewish people now and again right because if you couldn't then no one could ever criticize catholics or anyone else

U can respect and criticize at the same time

the same people that were criticizing rosie are thanking her for bring it (911 corruption)to light now

the same would happen with roseanne but people's IGNORANCE would make a large group (who are 2 emotional and don't think criticaly) still irrational and Judgemental

but the above quote from the blog poster would be the number 1 reason the media would FRY her. lots of danger in changing or influencing popular thought

we can live in ignorance and have a democracy with propoganda

or we can wake up and then face a dictatorship

subconsiously i think we understand this

all though there is always a chance for rebellion, but with that being said because of the human condition and greed who ever ends up ruling will become corrupted eventually when the puppet masters regroup and infiltrate the respected groups again

so what's the point, another reason to live in ignorance? i think the only chance is some changing consciousness that says you know what enough is enough the hate the greed it is going to stop, i have been blind willingly because my life is comfortable but this has got to stop and then we would need some advanced help (dare i say et's) help outing the very roots of the reason for the wars and problems on earth ( the black nobility) the ones that trace there power back 5000 years and you OFF these M'f ers and you replace them with Non occult dogma free group and we live a simpler less materialistic society. because that would be the trade-off

i had to rant



[edit on 5-4-2007 by cpdaman]

I agree with her for the most part.

After a friend who was in Israel told me from his own eyes how bad the zionist jews treat non jews is awful. I also seen a video on liveleak that showed Jewish kids no more than 10 throwing rocks at point blank range at peace activists while an Israeli guard just laughed and watched! I guess its ok for the Israeli's to oppress the Palestinian's but as soon as someone even criticizes Israel they are instantly labeled an anti-semite.

I think Israel never should have existed and I wish people weren't so gullible to believe its inception was a good idea when hate and war have dominated that area ever since.

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
. I also seen a video on liveleak that showed Jewish kids no more than 10 throwing rocks at point blank range at peace activists while an Israeli guard just laughed and watched!

Reminds me of some of the conduct displayed by certain other groups in the region...

I don't think anyone is saying that either of these groups are made up exclusively of peace loving angels.

However, I don't see anyone else replying with things like:

I think Israel never should have existed and I wish people weren't so gullible to believe its inception was a good idea when hate and war have dominated that area ever since.

Hate and war have existed in that region long before 1948. In fact historical records show that they've existed for millenia, literally. I think your call of "gullible" is aimed in the wrong direction.

What is an Anti-Zionist Jews Synagogue? Pardon my ignorance.

Originally posted by Malichai

They say that any publicity is good publicity, but just this week the Anti-Zionist Jews Synagogue in New York burned down while hundreds of Orthodox Jews blocked the firemen from reaching the scene.

But I don't think the other Rosie would be allowed to present herself as an Anti-Zionists Jew with a chance to voice her opinions, at least not on TV, so there will not even be a chance.

Israel was created Illegally, on the back of a massacre called the Holocaust, which was funded and run by the same people who created the State of Israel.

Israel was illegally taken away from the Palestinian people, who have lived there for a millenia, and it was the Rothschild dynasty that actually created zionism and Israel, to be used as tools to achieve foreign policy objectives...like embroiling the region in chaos, thats the plan, and thats what has been happening since the beginning.

Think about it. If you were living in a house for a thousand years, and suddenly these strange people from foreign lands come knock on your door, with guns in hand, and tell you "ok we are now moving in here, you now have to live in the small shed in the back of the yard". That is the equivalent of the UN telling the Palestinians to get lost and move to the Gaza strip, while jews take over.

Now, I have nothing against jews, i have jewish friends, i dated a girl who was jewish once. So dont be labeling me anti-jewish because I think that Israel should be abolished, it should be, it should be given back to its rightful owners, the Palestinians. The entire occupational force should leave the region, all weapons of mass destruction held by Israel and the US should be melted down, and people like Ohmert, Bush, and Blair should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Originally posted by Realtruth
What is an Anti-Zionist Jews Synagogue? Pardon my ignorance.

www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com...

It is a Synagogue like any other, except that the Jews who go there are Not Zionists.

Originally posted by LightWorker13
Israel was illegally taken away from the Palestinian people, who have lived there for a millenia, and it was the Rothschild dynasty that actually created zionism and Israel, to be used as tools to achieve foreign policy objectives...like embroiling the region in chaos, thats the plan, and thats what has been happening since the beginning.

Where is the evidence that the Rothschilds were involved in creating Israel? Where is the evidence that they wanted to create chaos in the Middle East? I've read all you are stating before, but on conspiracy sites next to reptillian aliens living underground and kidnapping people.

The entire occupational force should leave the region, all weapons of mass destruction held by Israel and the US should be melted down, and people like Ohmert, Bush, and Blair should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Thank god you don't make any decisions about national security!

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Where is the evidence that the Rothschilds were involved in creating Israel? Where is the evidence that they wanted to create chaos in the Middle East?

The evidence they were involved in creating Israel is call the Balfour Declaration.

November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

From the Yale Avalon Project

The creation of Israel began with the allied defeat of the Ottoman Empire thereby destroying the legitimate authority in Palestine, replacing it with the British Mandate.

None of this would have happened if it were not for the Balfour declaration.

The question is, what did Lord Rothschild offer in return? There are many stories of this. The one that best fits is that Rothschild promised that the Jews in America would use their influence in media and government to drive America into the European theater of WWI at Britains side so that the Brits could use their forces to conquer the Ottomans instead of being tied up with the Germans.

[edit on 5-4-2007 by Malichai]

Think about it. If you were living in a house for a thousand years, and suddenly these strange people from foreign lands come knock on your door, with guns in hand, and tell you "ok we are now moving in here, you now have to live in the small shed in the back of the yard". That is the equivalent of the UN telling the Palestinians to get lost and move to the Gaza strip, while jews take over.

You mean, like many of our anscestors did to the Native Americans?

[edit on 5-4-2007 by jbondo]

Originally posted by jbondo

You mean, like many of our anscestors did to the Native Americans?

No. The Palestinians in the occupied territories are not being offered Israeli citizenship, and those who fled the conflict are not allowed to return.

The two situations are not anything alike.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Where is the evidence that the Rothschilds were involved in creating Israel? Where is the evidence that they wanted to create chaos in the Middle East? I've read all you are stating before, but on conspiracy sites next to reptillian aliens living underground and kidnapping people.

Ret
While I don't fall in for all the NWO conspiracy stuff, Lord Rothschild had a lot to do with the creation of Israel. As a matter of fact the Balfour document itself was addressed to him. Its not a conspiracy theory.

"Foreign Office,
2 November 1917

"Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you on behalf of His Majesty's Government the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to and approved by the Cabinet:

'His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.'

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour".

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem 1917-1988

Originally posted by Djarums

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
. I also seen a video on liveleak that showed Jewish kids no more than 10 throwing rocks at point blank range at peace activists while an Israeli guard just laughed and watched!

Reminds me of some of the conduct displayed by certain other groups in the region...

I don't think anyone is saying that either of these groups are made up exclusively of peace loving angels.

However, I don't see anyone else replying with things like:

I think Israel never should have existed and I wish people weren't so gullible to believe its inception was a good idea when hate and war have dominated that area ever since.

Hate and war have existed in that region long before 1948. In fact historical records show that they've existed for millenia, literally. I think your call of "gullible" is aimed in the wrong direction.

Well I didn't mean I wanted the people of Israel to cease to exist but the nation as it was wrongfully made and then after the 1967 war they took even more land. Also to the comment about other religions having the same kind of negative people I agree but when jews claim Israel was given to them by god and all the other cries for sympathy they look a lot more hypocritical.

I have no problem with Jewish people but I don't think Israel ever should have been placed where it was and if anything they should have gotten a big slice of Germany after the war as it was their wrong doings that caused the suffering and poverty. Call me a conspiracy nut but I smell a stinky plot behind the the whole thing that is called "zionism".

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
Well I didn't mean I wanted the people of Israel to cease to exist but the nation as it was wrongfully made and then after the 1967 war they took even more land.

Israel won the war. So why shouldn't they take more land? If the Arab nations didn't want their dishes broken then they should have kept them in the pantry.

The US took land from Mexico...should we give it back to them? The US had less rights to Texas, New Mexico, and California than Israel has to the Gaza Strip and Golan Heights after the war. So should the US give the 3 states back to Mexico?

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Ret
While I don't fall in for all the NWO conspiracy stuff, Lord Rothschild had a lot to do with the creation of Israel. As a matter of fact the Balfour document itself was addressed to him. Its not a conspiracy theory.

I had no idea about it that is why I was skeptical. I have to take a lot of things said on this board with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
Well I didn't mean I wanted the people of Israel to cease to exist but the nation as it was wrongfully made and then after the 1967 war they took even more land.

Israel won the war. So why shouldn't they take more land? If the Arab nations didn't want their dishes broken then they should have kept them in the pantry.

The US took land from Mexico...should we give it back to them? The US had less rights to Texas, New Mexico, and California than Israel has to the Gaza Strip and Golan Heights after the war. So should the US give the 3 states back to Mexico?

Then why didn't America claim Japan? Or why didn't the allies divide up all of Germany after the war? If Israel wants to keep causing violence and being the center of hostilities then sure it should keep its occupied territories but if it really wanted peace it would have given the conquered land back? I am no world diplomat or even really involved in world affairs but thats just my personaly opinion on the nation of Israel and it may even be wrong but its how I currently see things over there.

I also think the comment about Mexico taking back Texas and other states well then to that I say its completely different from the Israeli situation. At the time of the Mexico/Texas conflicts all the land was basicly up for grabs and there was LOTS of space which is far from the case in the middle east region that Israel occupies.

Originally posted by Slickinfinity


I also think the comment about Mexico taking back Texas and other states well then to that I say its completely different from the Israeli situation. At the time of the Mexico/Texas conflicts all the land was basicly up for grabs and there was LOTS of space which is far from the case in the middle east region that Israel occupies.

Not really considering Texas WAS part of Mexico, and California and New Mexico did actually belong to Mexico. The US took it in conquest, supported separtists in Texas (who were actually Americans go figure), and then bought the land for a small amount of money.

So with your logic, Israel took the land after the Arab nations tried to start yet another war with Israel, and should give it back--->the US took the land from Mexico after STARTING a war with Mexico, and should not give it back.

I don't understand?

I agree that Israel should give the land back if it wants peace (for a while at least), as who knows, the Arabs may attack them again like they did in the forties because they are just there...

But that must have been Israel's fault too.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
..............
So with your logic, Israel took the land after the Arab nations tried to start yet another war with Israel, and should give it back--->the US took the land from Mexico after STARTING a war with Mexico, and should not give it back.

I don't understand?

I agree that Israel should give the land back if it wants peace (for a while at least), as who knows, the Arabs may attack them again like they did in the forties because they are just there...

But that must have been Israel's fault too.

The occupation began with the 1967 war where Israel invaded in a Sneak Attack.

You are confused by the propaganda. Israel says they were only defending themselves and try to hide that they launched the dawn air-raid. Flying low over the Med. the Israeli planes bombed the Egyptian airforce as it sat on the ground.

The difference between America taking Texas and the Israelies occupying the West Bank is that the Israelies are not offering citizenship to the Palestinians. There has not even been an attempt to annex.

And there is the key. When land is 'taken' it is Annexed giving citizenship to all the local population. Israel does not want the Palestinians as citizens because the Israelies are racists and bigots.