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reply posted on 2-7-2007 @ 04:45 PM by TeslaandLyne

This link shows three online books by Williiam Lyne

I made reference to posting but it was another thread.

Got to have details on the MIT power transmission being an engineer,
but thats the problem, for anyone just find out these secrets because they
are horded.

Yet MIT may have gotten a hold of Tesla's works after its head renounced
Tesla years ago.

Tesla demonstrated light bulbs with one wire. High voltage and high cycles
needs no ground return.

All EM radiation is transmitted in the aether but if you charge it too much
you transmute the oxygen and nitrogen.
Power tuning might be the answer but I can't tell exactly what that is
or have any specifics.

reply posted on 3-7-2007 @ 10:16 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I made reference to posting but it was another thread.

Thanks, downloading them now

Would you be interested in a document detailing the electric potential of the tether experiments that lost the satellite on STS-75? If so U2U me and I will sent it to you... its very technical, but I am sure you will be interested... especially the part where the tether was still charging and "glowing like a fluorescent tube" after it broke away..

As to MIT maybe we can find an internal bulletin board and ask some students in the physics department... and I will snoop around some more at LANL

reply posted on 4-7-2007 @ 03:04 PM by zorgon

Update on Boyd Bushman and followup on Pegasus radio interview with David Sereda at Ancient Futures Radio

Boyd Bushman on Anti Gravity

YouTube Link

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reply posted on 5-7-2007 @ 04:49 AM by zorgon

Here is a set of 6 parts about some amazing energy devices...

And its a sad commentary on how main stream scientists have an agenda to squash any invention made by "commoners" just so they can save their egos, their reputations and their grants...

Hosted by Arthur C Clarke

Part 1 ( you will find the other 5 parts in the youtube menu

YouTube Link

reply posted on 5-7-2007 @ 09:22 AM by brotherthebig

Space Tether

Hi,

Zorgon, the “Tethers In Space Handbook” e-book will provide some of the information you want, in this post. Nice videos, and one more on Bushman.

TeslaandLyne, I see that you liked Scridb, I placed there there also the summaries videos PDFs.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
This link shows three online books by Williiam Lyne

I made reference to posting but it was another thread.

what thread are you refereeing?

Tesla Longitudinal Electricity

Google Video Link

For one of the other 2 threads referenced in the opening post I have now a summary, is the following.

Avro Project Y2 and “The Bell” are they related? - Video: Thread Summary I

YouTube Link

More references:
. en.wikipedia.org...
. www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

brotherthebig.

reply posted on 14-7-2007 @ 10:09 PM by zorgon

Need some help looking up a patent number and any other info on this item...

Posted in Popular Mechanics with this caption...

"Lockheed was assigned patent rights for a passenger UFO. Its design was among several developed by the military and aerospace companies."

Here is the Article
ROSWELL PLUS 50

Lockheed with a patent for a passenger flying saucer?

I wanna know more

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reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 01:04 AM by Sys_Config

I remember that craft on a tv program I saw over 15 years ago. It came out a while before the vertical take off and landing like the harrier jets. What I saw and remember was that maneuverability was really terrible. It was not an antigravity device. just redirected jet air. Not long after we saw the single man hovering around but was very noisy and inefficient, not kool like the sci fi rocket man from the forties. that was a nice jet pack. How he did not burn his behind, like the real man man did during early silent films. you can prob google early days of flight and catch both these. The concept of redirected power is found on military amphib hover craft , some cruise ships, etc. I will post pix when I run across.

SyS

reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 10:36 AM by TeslaandLyne

Its alive!

Some interesting things to say but will be back to see all the new posts
with more time. I saw the tether engineering web site. The project seems
to be a cover for a beam test.

The tether broke and coiled up into a knot. Thats what I saw.
Due to the lack of gravity, it in orbit, as NASA and Disney have shown
so many times.

Then one or more likely two luminous columns appeared.

That was a beam test from the aft motors of the Belgian Triangle craft.

I have two YouTube favorites of this on video in hover in local skies and
ATS member CYRAX has photographs posted in the forum of luminous
columns from the motors.

See Jacob's Ladder demonstration (on youtube)of luminous plasma,
or very excited aether as I call it.
Air becomes a purple haze cloud or black or gray in other states of high
electric field and high cycle perturbation.

Letterman had science kids on and tin pie plates were on top of
a Van De Graff and they proceed to rejected by like charges.

Letterman goes its anti gravity.

Yeah, that static stuff more than 200 years old.
How is anyone going to know about HF HV a/c?

One goody so far: Zinc is a HF HV insulation just as Tesla related
in his 1892 demonstration to the British. Stated from a Jacob's Ladder
and Tesla coil builder.

I suspect Canada to be a builder of saucers or triangle craft due to
aluminum, metals, land and power resources. They go to UK and
Australia for flight training due to frequency of reports I've seen on
the net.
Not too much building cause my Zinc mine stock hasn't moved.
Investing in the NWO only shows the Illuminati's financial manipulations.
They can always zero out your stock and buy the company up private.

reply posted on 15-7-2007 @ 01:13 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by Sys_Config
I remember that craft on a tv program I saw over 15 years ago.

Your referring to the Coanda effect and the Avro Car that is mentioned in the beginnig of the thread. All that data and photos are found here...

landoflegends.us...

What I am looking for is the Lockheed Martin ship and patent,,,

To TeslaandLynn

Yup its alive LOL but I have been busy trying to reorganize the data at my site... not much luck yet finding a good way to tie it all in.

I will look at your post in detail later... I spotted some interesting stuff

reply posted on 16-7-2007 @ 03:21 AM by Matyas

Originally posted by zorgon
What I am looking for is the Lockheed Martin ship and patent

Quick suggestion Z: Post it on gfsuav, I have a shiny nickel someone there knows...

And I can see why you would want it. Good leverage if I can spot it

reply posted on 16-7-2007 @ 12:39 PM by TeslaandLyne

The tether experiment is officially canceled.

Just try simple logic, the force at opposite ends ensure a break.

A stupid stupid idea.

Static fields can't do anything compared to dynamic (a/c).
Dynamic work is banned but is carried on by ?.

The tether curled up into a non luminous knot and could not be found.

A 12 mile beam test ensued with hundreds of Mexican fireflies (i.e. good old
time single motor saucers that look like the old Project Blue Book ball
lightning excuses).

An interesting comment from a HF HV builder, lightning resonates
and most active in supportive ground areas, some area never get
any lightning strikes. Interesting for insurance companies, but they
must give flat fees or the tell tale signs might get out.

reply posted on 16-7-2007 @ 10:41 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by Matyas
Quick suggestion Z: Post it on gfsuav,

Never thought about that I will do that

Just had lunch with John and Steve today and we are getting together at John's house tomorrow. Seems he emailed you as he was passing your neck of the woods but didn't hear back from you in time... Interesting fellow... interesting job

To: TeslaandLynn:

Interesting about the tether. I never sent you that file I was planning to. It talks about the tether after it broke away and describes it as "glowing like a fluorescent bulb until it went out of sight...

It also shows some need arcing photos....

The other thing it mentions briefly in passing is electromagnetic shielding on ISS. That led me to a document on that same topic at NASA dated 1964.

I think I have the cat by the tail right now and will let you know were it takes me...

I have sent you a file in U2U you might find interesting

reply posted on 17-7-2007 @ 11:45 AM by TeslaandLyne

Well call me a skeptic. It doesn't make me a bad person.

I know plasma comes from a spark, see all kinds of Jacob's Ladders
(er Tesla's Ladders) on YouTube.
Check out the 60Hz in the Nevada power plant.
The man that touches the plasma must have the HF (high frequency) type.
HF Tesla coils show holding a wrench to attract lightning is OK.
But the same guy uses 60HZ to fry hot dog on two probes.

Tesla with all the lightning around him, a time exposure , he wasn't
sitting there long.

So the tether coiling up might help, but it coiled up into a knot.
Plasma damage on the solar panels might be from a HV HF coil
used in the satellite.

In any case HF and HV is better accomplished as patents show, as
a flat coil.

Now are they saying a luminosity was generated by high frequency?
Where did that come from. Its all too fudge factor thrown together
to explain 12 miles of light that shouldn't be there and bright round
doughnut craft flying by to take a look.

UFOs don't exist so bright critters do, give the mind control a rest.

Take Homer Simpson for a ride, he'll believe anything.

reply posted on 17-7-2007 @ 04:01 PM by ArMaP

Edit:

Sorry, wrong post...

[edit on 17/7/2007 by ArMaP]

reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 12:28 AM by funky monk

Heres some stuff that I found on gravity stuff:

landoflegends.us...
landoflegends.us...

landoflegends.us...

the first one is on scalar technology, its pretty cool. There is developing theories on this, which is leading to zero-point energy. Very interesting. The second link is one to a saught of updated paper on the first. It is also very interesting and I think you guys might like.

The third link is something I am just starting to resurch into, it also looks promising.

This page, if you have a look through it there is some papers on Nazi scientist activity after the war, and there is some stuff about a base they apparently have on the moon. I havent read those but yea, I thought you all might like them if you havent already got into them yet:

landoflegends.us...

-fm

reply posted on 19-7-2007 @ 01:42 AM by zorgon

Originally posted by funky monk
This page, if you have a look through it there is some papers on Nazi scientist activity after the war, and there is some stuff about a base they apparently have on the moon.

Moon base??? SHHHHHH Thats a secret...

Now then a little journey through another thread for background info...

The following conversation ensued when Mike Singh had posted some anti gravity links to papers at LANL, many of which we have had on file at Pegasus for some time... at this thread post here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by zorgon
Perhaps its time you check again... but try something a little different... include the words "gravity shielding" in your search... anti gravity as a term implies a physical force opposite gravity. Gravity shielding simply implies finding a way to overcome the effects of gravity, not coming up with a whole new form of energy... and THAT does not go against Einstein...

Yet the end result is the same... you get a vehicle that does not need to be concerned about gravity.

Originally posted by mbkennel
This is the province of a national laboratory and academic scientists, and there is no evidence at all of a sufficiently large and continuous research program and test facilities, even secret, which would support even hypothetically secret anti-gravity
aircraft.

NO EVIDENCE?? Have you even LOOKED

LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratory) Check their archives for "gravity sheilding and anti-gravity work and toss in "Warp
drives" just for kicks

AFRL (Air Force Research laboratory) Snoop around in there for a day or two.. Revolutionary Hypersonic Aerospace
Vehicles With Plasma Actuators That Require No Moving Parts ... notice anything unusual about the shape?
landoflegends.us...

MIT Levitated Dipole Fusion Reactor research... note the word LEVITATED
Helium 2 Fusion reactors with minimal shielding and almost zero waste...
landoflegends.us...

And I am just scratching the surface of whats PUBLCALLY available... I haven't even tossed in the DoD sources yet!
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Originally posted by mikesingh
Here are some of the research papers from LANL (Los Alomos National Lab) concerning Gravity Shielding. So what
are they up to? I’ll be darned if they haven’t applied this in practice already. Probably they have – years ago!

Title: Gravitational Shielding Effects in Gauge Theory of Gravity
Authors: Ning Wu

Title: Quantization of Black Holes in the Shielded Strong Gravity Scenario Authors: D. G. Coyne, D. C. Cheng

Title: Hypothetical Gravity Control and Possible Influence on Space Propulsion
Authors: M. Tajmar, O. Bertolami

Title: The Warp Drive and Antigravity
Title: Screening and Absorption of Gravitation in Pre-relativistic and Relativistic Theories
Authors: H.-H. von Borzeszkowski, T. Chrobok

Title: Gravitational Shielding Based on ZnS:Ag Phosphor
Author: Fran De Aquino (Maranhao State University, Brazil)

More
here…

Have a good read!!

Cheers!

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Originally posted by mikesingh
Here are some of the research papers from LANL (Los Alomos National Lab) concerning Gravity Shielding. So what
are they up to? I’ll be darned if they haven’t applied this in practice already. Probably they have – years ago!

Title: Gravitational Shielding Effects in Gauge Theory of Gravity
Authors: Ning Wu

Now Now Mikey you should know better than to send people to a federal government computer archive without that little warning that they WILL be tracked

Now then as you say interesting read especially the one that mentions WARP DRIVE

And you will see that paper by Ning Wu about gravity sheilding... well it is also cited in a patent that has been issued and was presented in our Stargate thread by Tungus...

You asked what they are up to? Well sit down and hold onto your hat...

Its none other than an anti gravity spacecraft... and it has a patent issued.

Originally posted by tungus
Can someone make head or tail of this?
source

Boris Volfson. Remember that name, because it will go down in history. He is the inventor of the "space vehicle propelled by the pressure of inflationary vacuum state." Translation: Anti-grav spaceship. And it looks an awful lot like that device from Stargate. I've read a lot of science-fiction in my day, and the abstract
to this filing is some of the best in recent memory:

A cooled hollow superconductive shield is energized by an electromagnetic field resulting in the quantized vortices of lattice ions projecting a gravitomagnetic field that forms a spacetime curvature anomaly outside the space vehicle. The spacetime curvature imbalance, the spacetime curvature being the same as gravity, provides for the space vehicle's propulsion. The space vehicle, surrounded by the spacetime anomaly, may move at a speed approaching the light-speed characteristic for the modified locale.

The US Patent Office granted Volfson his patent on November 1. Since it is powered from a nuclear reactor, I don't expect to see this competing in the next X-Prize Cup or anything.

Check your emails Mike I have sent you a present

There you have it folkes... a patent issued on an anti gravity spaceship

Great round of applause to tungus for the discovery!! I have the patent and related patents on file now... Awesome stuff

Now I still need Lockheed Martin's saucer patent and Tesla's saucer patent...

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reply posted on 21-7-2007 @ 01:01 AM by funky monk

zorgon I was mearly providing more info on the topic

.

-fm

reply posted on 21-7-2007 @ 05:09 AM by zorgon

Originally posted by funky monk
zorgon I was mearly providing more info on the topic .

Hmmm That's okay.. I haven't posted the Moon Base stuff yet on that website...

But seeing as your down under, could we get you to snap a few pics of Pine Gap? I also have a list of other "interesting" places

PEGASUS RULES!!!!

reply posted on 21-7-2007 @ 03:09 PM by zorgon

I have finished updating my patent files... and the original documents are now available in full. If anyone has any others that they feel would be good to add just give me the patent number, and name of inventor is possible and I will add it to the collection.

It has taken a lot of work to find these and obtain the original documents and they are free from my site. It is always hoped that one or two people will actually read some of them before debunking stuff

I even found the Lockheed Saucer patent so all I need now is Tesla's... It may be possible that he never actually filed it, and only wrote intent to file... but I don't have those papers yet either...

Pegasus Patent Database

Here is the"Space vehicle propelled by the pressure of inflationary vacuum state" Patent US6960975

Here is the Lockheed Martin "High velocity high altitude v.t.o.l. aircraft" dated 1963 Patent US3103324

Here is U.S. Air Force's Nuclear Flying Saucer

On Dec. 12, 1962, security officers at Wright-Patterson classified the LRV as secret because: "It describes an offensive weapon system." The project remained classified until May 1999, when a congressionally mandated review of old documents changed the project's status as a government secret, downgrading it to public information. The Department of Defense did, however, successfully seek to have the document's distribution restricted to defense contractors. PM obtained its copy as the result of a Freedom of Information Act request.

SOURCE

No I don't have the patent on this one... seems my source doesn't include top secret patent access

The next task will be my video collection. They will not be viewable online, but available for download. I made an error not keeping the original youtube ID but will try and add that info as well

reply posted on 24-7-2007 @ 01:56 PM by TeslaandLyne

There seems to be plenty of saucer patents.

As a young wet behind the ears newbie to web pages on UFO patents
I was given a link to a page full of patents.

I will now tell you where on the the most important saucer patents
lie and was needed in the 50s New Mexico saucer development.

It had evidently been used by Nazi Germany on the Virle and Haunebu II
to eliminate rotation due to engine rotation.

Much like the helicopter needed torque compensation rotor, the saucer
need it much more.

Tesla's helicopter had the anti rotation engine.
A very necessary invention to be used in any saucer air craft.