posted on Apr, 6 2007 @ 06:38 AM
later in the day though, to my surprise and horror, a group of 4 people walked out onto the center square (the crowed was long gone and only the
"campers" in the tents remained). They were waving 3 flags; one plain orange flag, one EU flag with ukrain in the middle on the star circle, and one
red and black flag (no idea what party that is). I thought a fight was definately going to break out but thank god no one took such initiatives. The
police standing around the area stood close to this group to make sure no agressors aproached them. I walked over to the man holding the orange flag
and offered him a smoke. We started talking. He was in his mid twenties and was from russia believe it or not (the orange party is very anti-russian).
He came to kiev at the age of 11 and also took part in the orange revolution. This is the conversation I had with him;
Me - "You're not afraid that the two parties here will tear you to pieces?" (he was pretty much standing alone).
The man - "No, hell I'd love it if one of these fags started something."
Me - "Do you feel that this would lead to some sort of solution in this matter?"
The man - "Yhea man. That's where we failed last time. After we had our victory (orange revolution) we let these fagots walk off when we should have
finished them off."
Me - "So what measures should be taken to solve this issue?"
The man - "What measures...I'll tell you. What we need to do is to hand out some rifles, drop a few hundred of these dumba**es in their graves and
then people will think twice befor starting this sh*t again."
Me - "So what you're saying is a revolution must be carried out in force."
The man - "Yes, that's the way to go."
After a short pause
The man - "See how these guys are doing things? They're just paying people and all they got protesting here are a bunch of drunks. When we were
standing here (orange revolution) there was a fire in peoples eyes."
Me - "so you're saying you guys never paid anyone to stand with you or never brought in people from other parts of ukrain?"
The man - "No, never."
Me - "So all the thousands of protesters were from kiev???"
The man - "yes"
*This is major BS, although last time many more people were standing for an ideological cause there were bus after bus bringing in people from western
ukrain. There was so much drinking they had to repair half of the center afterwards. He is right though, the orange revolution was oganized alot
Me - "Tell me do you think parties here recieve aid from other cuontries?"
The man - "Ofcourse, that goes without saying. Everyone hass interests in this matter."
Me - "Have you heard of any countries in particular?"
The man - "I cannot say, and right now it's hard to tell"
Me - "would you say Russia is backing this "blue party" movement?"
The man - "no, this time they're hand's off unlike last time."
Me - "you told me earlier you consider you flag to have the simplest ideology behind it out of all the flags here. Why is that?"
The man - "It's just orange, other flags here have slogans on them and all. Mine speaks for itself."
Me - "So, in your words, what is the ideology behind it?"
The man - It's...well....you know it's hard to phrase it in one sentence and all but"
Me - "just, in your own words man, take your time. Why is it you are standing here, what is your goal?"
the man - "I don't know man. One thing for sure is I don't want to see any more of these fagots (the parties in the center atm)."
Me - "so no communism, but the blues want democracy too. To me it seems like the blues and the orange always accuse each other of corruption. The
only difference is one is pro russian and the other one wants into NATO. Is NATO what you are looking forward to?"
The man - "No man, NATO or not I don't care. I just wan't democracy here and a good goverment. I don't care Ushenko or whoever."
Me "So democracy and a clean goverment."
The man - "yes"