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Originally posted by nextguyinline
Sociologists are not infallible.
'Victim culture' is a not a phrase made up by interneters against the more melanonined folk.
Originally posted by nextguyinline
Not going to talk to the sociologists point.
To be a victim is one thing, to allow ones self to remain a victim by believing someone else is the only person who can make one rise above is a full-blown card carrying member of the victim culture.
I notice "black people who point out things like white privilege" are excluded from your definition of victim culture. Care to explain why said people are accused of being a part of the victim culture?
Originally posted by truthseeka
I have an answer; the people doing the accusing are uncomfortable with things like white privilege being discussed by non-white people.
Originally posted by riley
No. We are uncomfortable when the ATS members who repetively post thinly veiled anti-white posts and threads then turn around.. accuse others as being racist when they disagree and then have the arrogence to insinuate that admin must be racist because they close thread because those same members violate the rules.
I've even seen members insinuate that their well earned warns [both verbal and official] must be racially motivated [possibly to disuade them from doing so].
I think that qualifies as taking advantage of victim culture.
[edit on 6-4-2007 by riley]
Originally posted by truthseeka
Nextguy, that wasn't directed to you.
I just saw your explanation, and hell, I agree with it. But, you KNOW that was not the way this term has been used on these boards.
Originally posted by spacedoubt
Teach us a better term.
Teach us a term, other than "victim culture" that doesn't have a racial undertone, or connotation.
Instead of telling us what's wrong. Tell us what's right.
There definitely exists, a form of this "culture", how would YOU describe it?
If it makes sense, I'll add it to my lexicon.
Originally posted by nextguyinline
'Victim culture' is a not a phrase made up by interneters ...
Victim Culture began in 1880
Excessive sympathy for criminals is not as new as many people believe, says Angela Ellis-Jones. It goes back at least 120 years.
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Criminals, because they tended to come from disadvantaged backgrounds, were seen as people who should be treated leniently. Far from being viewed as a threat to the social order, as in earlier generations, they were seen as mentally and morally weak people who deserved the state's protection.
...
The extent to which the general public have been intimidated into living their lives on the burglar's terms can be gauged by the fact that, when I asked several security firms what I could do to protect my property, the most frequent response was 'putting up spikes or barbed wire will get you into trouble with the police/cause a burglar to sue you.'
How Psychotherapy Fuels the Victim Industry
This three-part web page invites the reader to go beyond the politically correct thinking on victimization and develop a more comprehensive and complex understanding of the dynamic of victimhood. The hope is for healing the hurt and injury of victims and for increasing the effectiveness of prediction and prevention of future violence.
Originally posted by truthseeka
Show me how someone who points out these type of things is exhibiting signs of the victim culture.
Originally posted by truthseeka
Originally posted by spacedoubt
Teach us a better term.
Teach us a term, other than "victim culture" that doesn't have a racial undertone, or connotation.
Instead of telling us what's wrong. Tell us what's right.
There definitely exists, a form of this "culture", how would YOU describe it?
If it makes sense, I'll add it to my lexicon.
Why should I?
The state doesn't pay me to teach you. You don't pay me to teach you. Why should I teach you anything?
Besides, it's Y'ALL that have taught me...
Originally posted by semperfortis
What are the opinions of the members here in regards to the usage of terms or phrase that have been identified as inflammatory?
Do you feel we should avoid them, or discuss them more completely to come to a better understanding of the reason they are inflammatory?
Using this as the template, should we as ATSer's avoid specific terms and if so, what terms would qualify as "Non ATS terms? Who would decide?
If that takes "banning" certain words from the study of the phenomenon, I am willing to comply.
Originally posted by spacedoubt
Deny ignorance.
Thats why.
You tell people how wrong they are, but make no attempt to right this wrong.
We are here to teach each other. We can all learn from each other.
So, just once more.
How about a better phrase, to replace "victim culture". I won't hound you anymore about it. Just this last opportunity to deny ignorance on this.