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Debunking Whiltey Strieber?
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There are many other's with even better credentials such as PhD's often debunked on this board. Can't find a thread on Strieber, couldn't with
the now defunct boolean search function. If there are threads discussing his encounters, perhaps those in the know could post links.
I've come to the conclusion that either he is actively a participant in a disinformation or mind control experiment, or so much a product of modern culture that the metaphysics he's concluded as a result of his encounters are quite toxic.
The mind control thread that OSR started has yielded no revelations into the relationship between the encounter experience and mind control. It promulgates the idea that abusing children results in encounters. That is reprehensible. In addition, it's invitation to identify all past abuse as a result of government interference encourages a learned helplessness. It is also a good example of the dynamics of peer pressure and would provide an excellent testing ground for determining the lengths to which those so inclined might succeed in placing belief systems conducive to totalitarianism into a culture. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, if encouraging fantasy and dramatization of the past that lends itself to greater dissociation from reality and ever growing alienation from the people who are supposed to be representative of ourselves can be interpreted as well intended.
It's not such a stretch to imagine that project Mockingbird may have designed some propaganda for the home front. One of the linchpins of Whiltey's mystique as the most identifiable abductee is sympathy for the persecution his traumatized fans are encouraged to identify with. The Hugo award must have been devastating.
Project Mockingbird used books and publishing houses in covert operations and falsely inflated sales to advance their propaganda. This was done mostly as a means of indoctrinating ideas into other countries. But given the context, it's not outside the realm of possibility that "The Hunger" and "The Wolfen" may have been best-sellers of a subsidized kind and the subsequent media frenzy a well planned hook for what was to come.
The result seems largely to be a front man for advancing the idea of Gray and government collusion: That technology has been reverse engineered from crashed saucers, etc.. When Peter Jennings died shortly after the special in which he paid very little credence to the Roswell crash, Whiltey quickly posted a journal which mentioned the high incidence of cancer in the UFO field. The subliminal consequence is obvious. It's almost a threat, never mind that one in three women and two in three men will get cancer as a result of petroleum products and industrial toxins.
There are just as many abductee's who are not abused during their alien encounters and just as many who, when they report abusive encounters are not so anxious to justify them.
There is an underlying double message in all of his publications that seem to encourage a might is right philosophy and blood ritual.
Moreover, the simplification of 'the universe as a mirror' blames the victim. For the sake of argument, it's agreed that what we see in the universe is a mirror, an extension of the internal paradigms and dynamics being reflected. An enlightened monk when looking at his murderer might see the face of a suffering man while an average person might see fear and rage. In both cases, viewing another creature doesn't make it so. Judgment leads to dead ends. Wisdom tells us not to judge. Maybe for reasons the visitors are privy to that we are not.
Calling them evil does reduce the visitor phenomena to the polarized argument of 'You're bad' - 'I'm good'. Eliminates any hope of establishing communication other than conflict. We earthlings are not terribly clear of our own meaning. People prey on our own fragile tether to human dignity, it's not unimaginable that other's conspire to do that. We don't seem to be very clear on the meaning of dignity. Human rights and social standards vary so wildly from one region of the world to the next, it's all held together more by an emotional glue than cohesive logic. Human dignity and rights that have now been abdicated in law by the nation that once held the responsibility of example for the world.
We really ought to determine what humanity means to us before we lose it. Let's figure out what we mean. Personal differences shouldn't be permitted to divide humanity against a common outsider. Why aren't these ethical matters discussed with those principles in mind. And why is the public debate headed by someone who doesn't broker argument or encourage intellectual inquiry into these areas. "Don't push any isms on me."
Maybe that's why they stay hidden and there is no disclosure. We are confined so much by that reflexive thinking. Breaking open the egg, is a matter of expanding the ability of consciousness to perceive and apprehend what it perceives. An organ like the eye has physical limitations, like the spectrum of light it sees. People make many decisions in the blink of an eye. On the other side a lifetime is but the blink of an eye.
Blood ritual or trauma to break the egg is a shamanic technique practiced more by black practitioners than white. It's not something that needs to be encouraged, justified or rationalized in order to establish contact with the visitors or anyone else. The introduction of these ideas by a guru who has become regarded as a possible conduit for man's escape from the inevitability of death and entry into the cosmos, has successfully usurped the traditional arena of religion and placed it in New Age hands. Hands that may or may not be acting on the part of torturers.
The red road remains as always and as Jesus presented - 'The way easy and the yoke light.'
[edit on 2-4-2007 by clearwater]
I've come to the conclusion that either he is actively a participant in a disinformation or mind control experiment, or so much a product of modern culture that the metaphysics he's concluded as a result of his encounters are quite toxic.
The mind control thread that OSR started has yielded no revelations into the relationship between the encounter experience and mind control. It promulgates the idea that abusing children results in encounters. That is reprehensible. In addition, it's invitation to identify all past abuse as a result of government interference encourages a learned helplessness. It is also a good example of the dynamics of peer pressure and would provide an excellent testing ground for determining the lengths to which those so inclined might succeed in placing belief systems conducive to totalitarianism into a culture. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, if encouraging fantasy and dramatization of the past that lends itself to greater dissociation from reality and ever growing alienation from the people who are supposed to be representative of ourselves can be interpreted as well intended.
It's not such a stretch to imagine that project Mockingbird may have designed some propaganda for the home front. One of the linchpins of Whiltey's mystique as the most identifiable abductee is sympathy for the persecution his traumatized fans are encouraged to identify with. The Hugo award must have been devastating.
Project Mockingbird used books and publishing houses in covert operations and falsely inflated sales to advance their propaganda. This was done mostly as a means of indoctrinating ideas into other countries. But given the context, it's not outside the realm of possibility that "The Hunger" and "The Wolfen" may have been best-sellers of a subsidized kind and the subsequent media frenzy a well planned hook for what was to come.
The result seems largely to be a front man for advancing the idea of Gray and government collusion: That technology has been reverse engineered from crashed saucers, etc.. When Peter Jennings died shortly after the special in which he paid very little credence to the Roswell crash, Whiltey quickly posted a journal which mentioned the high incidence of cancer in the UFO field. The subliminal consequence is obvious. It's almost a threat, never mind that one in three women and two in three men will get cancer as a result of petroleum products and industrial toxins.
There are just as many abductee's who are not abused during their alien encounters and just as many who, when they report abusive encounters are not so anxious to justify them.
There is an underlying double message in all of his publications that seem to encourage a might is right philosophy and blood ritual.
Moreover, the simplification of 'the universe as a mirror' blames the victim. For the sake of argument, it's agreed that what we see in the universe is a mirror, an extension of the internal paradigms and dynamics being reflected. An enlightened monk when looking at his murderer might see the face of a suffering man while an average person might see fear and rage. In both cases, viewing another creature doesn't make it so. Judgment leads to dead ends. Wisdom tells us not to judge. Maybe for reasons the visitors are privy to that we are not.
Calling them evil does reduce the visitor phenomena to the polarized argument of 'You're bad' - 'I'm good'. Eliminates any hope of establishing communication other than conflict. We earthlings are not terribly clear of our own meaning. People prey on our own fragile tether to human dignity, it's not unimaginable that other's conspire to do that. We don't seem to be very clear on the meaning of dignity. Human rights and social standards vary so wildly from one region of the world to the next, it's all held together more by an emotional glue than cohesive logic. Human dignity and rights that have now been abdicated in law by the nation that once held the responsibility of example for the world.
We really ought to determine what humanity means to us before we lose it. Let's figure out what we mean. Personal differences shouldn't be permitted to divide humanity against a common outsider. Why aren't these ethical matters discussed with those principles in mind. And why is the public debate headed by someone who doesn't broker argument or encourage intellectual inquiry into these areas. "Don't push any isms on me."
Maybe that's why they stay hidden and there is no disclosure. We are confined so much by that reflexive thinking. Breaking open the egg, is a matter of expanding the ability of consciousness to perceive and apprehend what it perceives. An organ like the eye has physical limitations, like the spectrum of light it sees. People make many decisions in the blink of an eye. On the other side a lifetime is but the blink of an eye.
Blood ritual or trauma to break the egg is a shamanic technique practiced more by black practitioners than white. It's not something that needs to be encouraged, justified or rationalized in order to establish contact with the visitors or anyone else. The introduction of these ideas by a guru who has become regarded as a possible conduit for man's escape from the inevitability of death and entry into the cosmos, has successfully usurped the traditional arena of religion and placed it in New Age hands. Hands that may or may not be acting on the part of torturers.
The red road remains as always and as Jesus presented - 'The way easy and the yoke light.'
[edit on 2-4-2007 by clearwater]
"The Covert Use of Books and Publishing Houses
The Committee has found that the Central Intelligence Agency attaches a particular importance to book publishing activities as a form of covert propaganda. A former officer in the Clandestine Service stated that books are "the most important weapon of strategic (long-range) propaganda." Prior to 1967, the Central Intelligence Agency sponsored, subsidized, or produced over 1,000 books; approximately 25 percent of them in English. In 1967 alone, the CIA published or subsidized over 200 books, ranging from books on African safaris and wildlife to translations of Machiavelli's The Prince into Swahili and works of T. S. Eliot into Russian, to a competitor to Mao's little red book, which was entitled Quotations from Chairman Liu.
The Committee found that an important number of the books actually produced by the Central Intelligence Agency were reviewed and marketed in the United States:
* A book about a young student from a developing country who had studied in a communist country was described by the CIA as "developed by (two areas divisions) and, produced by the Domestic Operations Division... and has had a high impact in the United States as well as in the (foreign area) market." This book, which was produced by the European outlet of a United States publishing house was published in condensed form in two major U.S. magazines."
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[edit on 2/4/2007 by Mirthful Me]
That link leads to some interesting information and research on the Mockingbird project. I did mean to put this in the general conspiracy forums.
Compassion hinges on holding wrong-doers accountable, which means examining facts objectively. It's easy to sympathize with Whiltey's desire for validation from the vaunted and entrenched halls of academia and power. It indicates a conflict with MOTK's ideas of materialism and power and the need to lead as a symptom and reveals another underlying double message.
Project Mockingbird used books and publishing houses in covert operations and falsely inflated sales to advance their propaganda. This was done mostly as a means of indoctrinating ideas into other countries. But given the context, it's not outside the realm of possibility that "The Hunger" and "The Wolfen" may have been best-sellers of a subsidized kind and the subsequent media frenzy a well planned hook for what was to come.
The misplaced loyalty of the MC victim is a human characteristic exploited by MC and not singular to the phenomena. Misplaced loyalty is as common as the one in four girls and one in ten boys that are abused in childhood. Delayed emotional reaction and inappropriate emotional reaction. More important than misplaced loyalty is the inability to counter coercion.
Spychiatry, being acutely aware of the advantages of learned helplessness to state authority, would be anxious to insinuate those ideas into the culture and exploit the characteristic with an authority that promulgates a double message and diverts and deflects deeper discussion.
Perhaps most telling is "Knowledge comes from the dark side" a statement made regarding the latest publication. Why, we must ask ourselves, has a horror novelist with a self admitted history of early possible MC interference, at the hands of Dr Kraus, et al, become the voice of the UFO phenomena, and the dispenser of a spiritual new age message. An admission that never unfolds into disclosure but remains centered around the probability that he left the program early but it was the abuse that may have successfully conjured up the encounters.
The result is it's more like a subliminal advertisement encouraging the abuse of children and encouraging society to discard traditional aversion to such action in favor of the science that the visitors might offer. Or that the escape from recurrence and death that their appearance invites the imagination to ponder requires the abdication of our humanity. It does not.
Black Elk provides an interesting contrast to Whiltey's interpretations and dispensations. Many people have lost patience with the old native ways of examining the UFO phenomena. They want hard answers, scientific, empirical information that will enable categorization and analysis. Better yet, people want a space ship and to travel the distances between the stars as easily as many have come to believe the Star Nations People can.
It's generally postulated that the scientific inquiry that will lead to these inventions will be a melding of old and new. That new physics will encompass the mystical in ways that are now limited by our belief system.
Black Elk had agents from the government come to investigate his work. They were curious as to the medicine ways, and the star people. Native medicine and ritual was outlawed for many years, not only because it acts as a cultural cohesive, but because the power was feared and envied. They went looking for it. He tried to teach them, but found their minds too closed. Not hard to imagine that what they might have learnt there was later incorporated into their policy concerning misinformation and denial.
What seems most important is the spiritual stance that has been lost or is regarded as weakness by an empirical science that depends on fact. A culture that denigrates the feminine and prophesies the death of souls without a prayer to the Creator on their behalf may be part of the problem.
Your kindness will not leave you.
[edit on 3-4-2007 by clearwater]
Compassion hinges on holding wrong-doers accountable, which means examining facts objectively. It's easy to sympathize with Whiltey's desire for validation from the vaunted and entrenched halls of academia and power. It indicates a conflict with MOTK's ideas of materialism and power and the need to lead as a symptom and reveals another underlying double message.
Project Mockingbird used books and publishing houses in covert operations and falsely inflated sales to advance their propaganda. This was done mostly as a means of indoctrinating ideas into other countries. But given the context, it's not outside the realm of possibility that "The Hunger" and "The Wolfen" may have been best-sellers of a subsidized kind and the subsequent media frenzy a well planned hook for what was to come.
The misplaced loyalty of the MC victim is a human characteristic exploited by MC and not singular to the phenomena. Misplaced loyalty is as common as the one in four girls and one in ten boys that are abused in childhood. Delayed emotional reaction and inappropriate emotional reaction. More important than misplaced loyalty is the inability to counter coercion.
Spychiatry, being acutely aware of the advantages of learned helplessness to state authority, would be anxious to insinuate those ideas into the culture and exploit the characteristic with an authority that promulgates a double message and diverts and deflects deeper discussion.
Perhaps most telling is "Knowledge comes from the dark side" a statement made regarding the latest publication. Why, we must ask ourselves, has a horror novelist with a self admitted history of early possible MC interference, at the hands of Dr Kraus, et al, become the voice of the UFO phenomena, and the dispenser of a spiritual new age message. An admission that never unfolds into disclosure but remains centered around the probability that he left the program early but it was the abuse that may have successfully conjured up the encounters.
The result is it's more like a subliminal advertisement encouraging the abuse of children and encouraging society to discard traditional aversion to such action in favor of the science that the visitors might offer. Or that the escape from recurrence and death that their appearance invites the imagination to ponder requires the abdication of our humanity. It does not.
Black Elk provides an interesting contrast to Whiltey's interpretations and dispensations. Many people have lost patience with the old native ways of examining the UFO phenomena. They want hard answers, scientific, empirical information that will enable categorization and analysis. Better yet, people want a space ship and to travel the distances between the stars as easily as many have come to believe the Star Nations People can.
It's generally postulated that the scientific inquiry that will lead to these inventions will be a melding of old and new. That new physics will encompass the mystical in ways that are now limited by our belief system.
Black Elk had agents from the government come to investigate his work. They were curious as to the medicine ways, and the star people. Native medicine and ritual was outlawed for many years, not only because it acts as a cultural cohesive, but because the power was feared and envied. They went looking for it. He tried to teach them, but found their minds too closed. Not hard to imagine that what they might have learnt there was later incorporated into their policy concerning misinformation and denial.
What seems most important is the spiritual stance that has been lost or is regarded as weakness by an empirical science that depends on fact. A culture that denigrates the feminine and prophesies the death of souls without a prayer to the Creator on their behalf may be part of the problem.
Your kindness will not leave you.
[edit on 3-4-2007 by clearwater]
Perhaps nowhere is the power of double speak more evident than in how George Orwell's intentions have been transformed by the very political
hypocrisy he warned us about in his essay: "Politics and the English Language."
George Orwell considered himself a social democrat and loathed all forms of totalitarianism:
This simple omission combined with a cultural and political impetus towards free market capitalism has construed his original intention as simply anti-communist.
What is a moderate? The middle road between capitalism and communism would appear to be democratic socialism. A moderate claims to be apolitical, but man is a social animal. The middle road does not even require an ideology, other than that a semblance of social justice and responsible government is observed.
Surprisingly both Tommy Douglas, the father of Canada's universal health care system and Hitler both advocated eugenics. Douglas abandoned his advocacy of sterilization of the handicapped after a trip to Hitler's Germany. One socialist evolved into a fascist and the other evolved the jewel in North America's crown.
We shall know them by their fruits. What are the fruits being wrought by Strieber's carefully designed 'apolitical' message. Is it truly apolitical, since the social aspect of man's being is inescapable. There must have been many moderates in Hitler's Germany who felt justified in not opposing the Reich due to whatever justifications self righteousness enabled.
One one dreamland show Strieber referred to Ralph Nader as a flake. Perhaps he meant political lightweight, but in our CNN age, his intention would make no difference to the result.
As a former ad man Strieber would be especially sensitive to the power of the subliminal message and the double message, and there are lots of former ad men in the CIA. One of whom currently accompanies Candy Jones on all her speaking engagements as her de-programmer and friend.
It is very important at this time to think critically and discern for oneself what the fruits of any tree really are in hard results.
George Orwell considered himself a social democrat and loathed all forms of totalitarianism:
³Every line I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism," quotes George Orwell in the preface to the 1956 Signet Classic edition of Animal Farm. The edition, which sold several millions copies, however, omitted the rest of the sentence: "and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it.²
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This simple omission combined with a cultural and political impetus towards free market capitalism has construed his original intention as simply anti-communist.
What is a moderate? The middle road between capitalism and communism would appear to be democratic socialism. A moderate claims to be apolitical, but man is a social animal. The middle road does not even require an ideology, other than that a semblance of social justice and responsible government is observed.
Surprisingly both Tommy Douglas, the father of Canada's universal health care system and Hitler both advocated eugenics. Douglas abandoned his advocacy of sterilization of the handicapped after a trip to Hitler's Germany. One socialist evolved into a fascist and the other evolved the jewel in North America's crown.
We shall know them by their fruits. What are the fruits being wrought by Strieber's carefully designed 'apolitical' message. Is it truly apolitical, since the social aspect of man's being is inescapable. There must have been many moderates in Hitler's Germany who felt justified in not opposing the Reich due to whatever justifications self righteousness enabled.
One one dreamland show Strieber referred to Ralph Nader as a flake. Perhaps he meant political lightweight, but in our CNN age, his intention would make no difference to the result.
As a former ad man Strieber would be especially sensitive to the power of the subliminal message and the double message, and there are lots of former ad men in the CIA. One of whom currently accompanies Candy Jones on all her speaking engagements as her de-programmer and friend.
It is very important at this time to think critically and discern for oneself what the fruits of any tree really are in hard results.
Originally posted by clearwater
and there are lots of former ad men in the CIA. One of whom currently accompanies Candy Jones on all her speaking engagements as her de-programmer and friend.
It is very important at this time to think critically and discern for oneself what the fruits of any tree really are in hard results.
this Candy Jones you mention,
?once a model?
Had a radio show?
is still a speaker??
if this is the Candy Jones is the person of interest i'm thinking of;
the CIA (or whatever) bodyguard who accompanies her on the tour of engagements,
might be assigned to her because it's been alledged by person(s)
Candy Jones has a "Manchurian Candidate" ~programmed assassin~
presence in her personality/mental make-up
http://sinisterforces.info/
blog/index.php?/archives/34-Requiem for a heavyweight.html
if you'd care to see this source
Yes, that's the Candy Jones I was referring to, but i mistakenly meant Cathy O'Brien and her friend Mark Phillips. Even in the massive online MC
community that has erupted since Candy Jones came forward with her shocking story, Cathy O'Brien and her CIA affiliated accomplice are regarded with
suspicion. At least he is. It's not only suspicious, but unethical for someone who is treating a person in a psychological capacity to pursue a
personal sexual relationship with them.
Some people postulate that there are up to 10,000,000 mind control victims as a result of MC programming. I find those statistics a little exaggerated unless you take the propaganda aspect of the media into account and it's effect on a larger populace. The Harlow experiments proved not only that infant chimps will choose starvation over lack of affection, but by extension, that the human need to belong is a more powerful need than hunger. It makes for a malleable CNN age. So what would be the purpose of encouraging such a widespread campaign of supposed mind control victimization.
One effect is increased alienation from the democratic responsibility of holding the governments we elect to protect us from tyranny accountable.
The other might be to widely invalidate real survivors. It also provides an interesting platform in which to observe how far they can push the limits of propaganda and population control via the media. The dramatization of past abuse is common and a predictable result of trauma. It increases the suggestibility of a person.
The attraction is receiving recognition and attention for abuse that often goes unpunished, (one in four girls and one in ten boys are abused as children). That is an irresistible lure for many people who receive no other recognition or reward for past suffering. Once embroiled in the dramatization, they are led down the garden path of whatever subliminal messages regarding the 'special' nature of their MC position.
Therein one finds the popular and sought after association with power, wealth and intrigue. Now "Product of MKULTRA," is a popular logos. And as any adman will tell you, there's no such thing as bad advertising.
[edit on 3-4-2007 by clearwater]
Some people postulate that there are up to 10,000,000 mind control victims as a result of MC programming. I find those statistics a little exaggerated unless you take the propaganda aspect of the media into account and it's effect on a larger populace. The Harlow experiments proved not only that infant chimps will choose starvation over lack of affection, but by extension, that the human need to belong is a more powerful need than hunger. It makes for a malleable CNN age. So what would be the purpose of encouraging such a widespread campaign of supposed mind control victimization.
One effect is increased alienation from the democratic responsibility of holding the governments we elect to protect us from tyranny accountable.
The other might be to widely invalidate real survivors. It also provides an interesting platform in which to observe how far they can push the limits of propaganda and population control via the media. The dramatization of past abuse is common and a predictable result of trauma. It increases the suggestibility of a person.
The attraction is receiving recognition and attention for abuse that often goes unpunished, (one in four girls and one in ten boys are abused as children). That is an irresistible lure for many people who receive no other recognition or reward for past suffering. Once embroiled in the dramatization, they are led down the garden path of whatever subliminal messages regarding the 'special' nature of their MC position.
Therein one finds the popular and sought after association with power, wealth and intrigue. Now "Product of MKULTRA," is a popular logos. And as any adman will tell you, there's no such thing as bad advertising.
[edit on 3-4-2007 by clearwater]
"The Key" and "The Path" are an eclectic assortment of spiritual ruminations. "The Path" is an interpretation of the Marseilles Tarot, while
"The Key" is an awkward combination of Catholicism, Atlantean mythology and horror that was supposedly provided by a "master" who interrupted
Whiltey's rest during his stay in a hotel in Toronto one night. The master said of himself:
There are a number of ideas thrown in to appeal to those unhappy with the status quo, such as the idea that justice is a game of chance on earth with the innocent and guilty equally punished as a result of the culture of blame. It doesn't delve into the social or economic biases thwarting objective application of justice, but diverts the topic into esoterica. And there is an endorsement of masonry:
On his show Strieber has speculated as to the origins of this man, that he might be a templar, (William Mann show), or that he is a hybrid, or possibly from the world of the dead. Anne Strieber has put forward the idea that the "Master" in "The Key" is her husband returning from a future date or alternate dimension. It's been speculated that he is anything but a product of Whiltey's imagination. But the ideas set forward in the book reflect his imagination, complete with the predictable double message.
For instance, there's an intricate discussion concerning man as God where you can see remnants of Sunday school:
So the culture of blame sets itself up in place of God, yet the general hypothesis seems to be with the "kingdom within" man is God. We await the big bang to fulfill our spiritual function. Yet to God we are
And yet after our Atlantean war from which
The Atlantean mythology is an interesting addition and promulgates the idea that farming souls is a useful technology that we used in the past in our intelligent machines (there has never been a conscious machine here pg 63) and must we recover this technology in order ot 'save ourselves.'
Ie. Whiltey asks:
Suddenly perfect slaves are very attractive, after all it's the survival of the human race we're discussing. It's not hard to fathom the dichotomy between advancing our spiritual status towards enlightenment and creating perfect slaves as a means of saving ourselves. The particulars of the paradox are less important than result of that double message. That there is a further reach of knowledge to which the average man is not privy but to which 'masters' are entitled.
Fear is the lock, laughter is the key.
[edit on 4-4-2007 by clearwater]
"You flatter me, I'm only a Canadian. But I don't pay taxes." pg 58, "The Key".
There are a number of ideas thrown in to appeal to those unhappy with the status quo, such as the idea that justice is a game of chance on earth with the innocent and guilty equally punished as a result of the culture of blame. It doesn't delve into the social or economic biases thwarting objective application of justice, but diverts the topic into esoterica. And there is an endorsement of masonry:
The apology for secrecy doesn't cancel out the endorsement. Nothing wrong with fraternity and charitable work, but the implication is that the spiritual path is one of a competitive struggle for knowledge and power.
Whiltey asks, You are endorsing masonry? The master answers, "I am endorsing the craft in its most impeccable form. Where the craft is secret, there is danger of corruption. pg 34
On his show Strieber has speculated as to the origins of this man, that he might be a templar, (William Mann show), or that he is a hybrid, or possibly from the world of the dead. Anne Strieber has put forward the idea that the "Master" in "The Key" is her husband returning from a future date or alternate dimension. It's been speculated that he is anything but a product of Whiltey's imagination. But the ideas set forward in the book reflect his imagination, complete with the predictable double message.
For instance, there's an intricate discussion concerning man as God where you can see remnants of Sunday school:
"That sounds very idealistic." Whiltey. The master's response: "It isn't. The idealistic world is the one that judges and punishes. (Idealists are not the only people capable of judgement and capable of refraining from judgement) Only God can judge, because God knows the truth of the soul. The culture of blame sets itself up in place of God, and so is doomed to eventual destruction."pg 61, "The Key"
So the culture of blame sets itself up in place of God, yet the general hypothesis seems to be with the "kingdom within" man is God. We await the big bang to fulfill our spiritual function. Yet to God we are
True to the double message, God has nothing to do with our saving ourselves, which in order to achieve that we must:
"Dead forever" pg 53.
"To save yourselves you must learn to build machines more intelligent than you are." pg 63.
And yet after our Atlantean war from which
It was God who intervened:
"The whole solar system bears scars from the battle, some of them terrible." pg 55
The master answers,
"Who intervenes?"
"God acts."pg 56
The Atlantean mythology is an interesting addition and promulgates the idea that farming souls is a useful technology that we used in the past in our intelligent machines (there has never been a conscious machine here pg 63) and must we recover this technology in order ot 'save ourselves.'
Ie. Whiltey asks:
"You say we need machines more intelligent than we are, but also that they'll become conscious and then turn on us. Is there a way out of the dilemma?
The master answers: "There is more than one sort of intelligent machine. By duplicating the attachments between the elemental and energetic bodies that occur in nature in a purpose-designed machine, a controllable conscious machine can be devised. A living soul attached to a machine will be conscious, but only able to express itself into the physical or sense the physical according to the limitaitons of the machine's design. In this way, you gain the advantages that consciousness confers on a machine without the danger of its becoming excessively intelligent. A perfect slave can be created, a robot that carries out its programmed instructions with empathy, purpose and precision. And the soul can be kept in there indefinitely." pg 65
Suddenly perfect slaves are very attractive, after all it's the survival of the human race we're discussing. It's not hard to fathom the dichotomy between advancing our spiritual status towards enlightenment and creating perfect slaves as a means of saving ourselves. The particulars of the paradox are less important than result of that double message. That there is a further reach of knowledge to which the average man is not privy but to which 'masters' are entitled.
Fear is the lock, laughter is the key.
[edit on 4-4-2007 by clearwater]
There is a great deal of contradiction in "The Key" itself around the subject of God. That is expectable, since God is an unruly topic that cannot
be explained with any satisfaction by any ideologue or human invention. Confined as we are to finite perspectives, the concept of God offers a
traditional metaphysical challenge to imagination. One is able to imagine a beach, but not envision all of the grains of sand individually in the
mind's eye. A similar quandry develops when discussing God. It's much safer to assume a God of one's misunderstanding than understanding. It
permits flexibility and leaves room for the development of a relationship that grows with a person.
Aside from it's obvious implication that our development as a species has been overseen by masters who have 'the key', and by extension are closer to God, or at one with God, or God himself, where we are not, "The Key" provides many opportunities for relegating God to a static entity. As in the admonition that, to God, we are 'Dead Forever'. Accompanying close on its heels is the paradoxical sentiment that 'the kingdom within' once realized will make humans God. But who defines the kingdom?
The meandering tome describes our world as run by demons who seek to suppress us.
Once again there is the underlying message that we are helpless to effect change in our leadership, that it's in collusion with supernatural power that is unapproachable.
But, when asked who these demons are, master responds"
So we are to look within for our demons, but when asked:
The answer seems to be externalized.
'The wages of sin is death' probably refers to an action or belief that becomes destructive. There are seven deadly sins: pride, greed, lust, anger, gluttony, envy and sloth. They're nothing but instincts that when negotiated wisely lead to happiness and when indulged foolishly lead to self-destruction and the destruction of others.
Every one needs a sense of self esteem to be of use to others but arrogant false pride leads to isolation and makes a person unteachable. Without a desire to provide comfort for oneself and others, the world would be a miserable place, but always wanting more leaves a person unsatisfied and unable to be satisfied. Sex is the most intimate expression of love between two people and without it we wouldn't be here, but indulged selfishly it leads to misery. Anger is necessary as an impetus for change, rage eliminates reason. We have to eat, it's a responsible expression of love for the body, when diet is destructively indulged it results in suffering. Half the world starves while some are fat and always hungry. Wise to admire other's for their accomplishments and accoutrements, wiser still to be grateful for what one has. Important to rest and take leisure, but sloth of the soul is an expression of despair at the world around.
Looks like we've known all along. It's not necessary and probably not advisable to turn to this text as a primer for new age spiritual direction. It offers a confused and confounding mix of horror, enslavement, mythology and religion as a deflection from social and political issues.
Issues that affect our world as a whole and, although it loudly proclaims the kingdom as within, in some parts of the text, there is nowhere other than that cryptic statement any information as to how to achieve that other than the blame of 'demon rulers.' And the apparent external quality of sin as the 'denial of the right to thrive.' "The Key" also appears to encourage the enslavement of souls as the needed option for release from recurrence. The enslavement of souls would appear to be just that sort of denial. Who defines the kingdom?
Isn't that what the third world war is going to be about. Who owns the resources and who gets to control our use of them with their particular brand of social dictates.
Aside from it's obvious implication that our development as a species has been overseen by masters who have 'the key', and by extension are closer to God, or at one with God, or God himself, where we are not, "The Key" provides many opportunities for relegating God to a static entity. As in the admonition that, to God, we are 'Dead Forever'. Accompanying close on its heels is the paradoxical sentiment that 'the kingdom within' once realized will make humans God. But who defines the kingdom?
The meandering tome describes our world as run by demons who seek to suppress us.
"Your world is a slave state. You are all slaves to the demons who run it, who keep you in ignorance." pg 47 The Key.
Once again there is the underlying message that we are helpless to effect change in our leadership, that it's in collusion with supernatural power that is unapproachable.
But, when asked who these demons are, master responds"
"Find the demon in your own heart, then I will betray the demon rulers of your world to you. Remember that the evil also serve me. Without evil, you could not taste of the good. Without them, you could not make the choice to follow me." pg 48 The Key
So we are to look within for our demons, but when asked:
"What is sin?" pg 74
The answer seems to be externalized.
"Denial of the right to thrive." pg 74 The Key.
'The wages of sin is death' probably refers to an action or belief that becomes destructive. There are seven deadly sins: pride, greed, lust, anger, gluttony, envy and sloth. They're nothing but instincts that when negotiated wisely lead to happiness and when indulged foolishly lead to self-destruction and the destruction of others.
Every one needs a sense of self esteem to be of use to others but arrogant false pride leads to isolation and makes a person unteachable. Without a desire to provide comfort for oneself and others, the world would be a miserable place, but always wanting more leaves a person unsatisfied and unable to be satisfied. Sex is the most intimate expression of love between two people and without it we wouldn't be here, but indulged selfishly it leads to misery. Anger is necessary as an impetus for change, rage eliminates reason. We have to eat, it's a responsible expression of love for the body, when diet is destructively indulged it results in suffering. Half the world starves while some are fat and always hungry. Wise to admire other's for their accomplishments and accoutrements, wiser still to be grateful for what one has. Important to rest and take leisure, but sloth of the soul is an expression of despair at the world around.
Looks like we've known all along. It's not necessary and probably not advisable to turn to this text as a primer for new age spiritual direction. It offers a confused and confounding mix of horror, enslavement, mythology and religion as a deflection from social and political issues.
Issues that affect our world as a whole and, although it loudly proclaims the kingdom as within, in some parts of the text, there is nowhere other than that cryptic statement any information as to how to achieve that other than the blame of 'demon rulers.' And the apparent external quality of sin as the 'denial of the right to thrive.' "The Key" also appears to encourage the enslavement of souls as the needed option for release from recurrence. The enslavement of souls would appear to be just that sort of denial. Who defines the kingdom?
Isn't that what the third world war is going to be about. Who owns the resources and who gets to control our use of them with their particular brand of social dictates.
There is a great deal of adulation for this man, who has skillfully garnered so much sympathy via the media for his persecution as a result of coming
forward with his alien abduction reports. Although I've watched the implant removal video on his site, one cannot see anything. That is so typical
of all abduction reports, the aversion to empirical evidence.
Some of the emergence of massive amounts of UFO evidence can be attributed to human psychology, but not all. What we are left with is a web of deceit, confusion, denial and misinformation. Whiltey Strieber said of the UFO field:
If we don't know what exactly the anomaly is, then is it accurate to call them enemies?
Demon Masters. Once again the idea of supernatural or mystifying power is constantly reinforced and now it is reinforced along side the reiteration that abusing children will result in contact, and that the government has ongoing experiments to achieve that end.
Is that responsible and does it encourage people to think for themselves.
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Some of the emergence of massive amounts of UFO evidence can be attributed to human psychology, but not all. What we are left with is a web of deceit, confusion, denial and misinformation. Whiltey Strieber said of the UFO field:
From "The Communion Letter"
Whitley Strieber's cover letter from the Spring Issue, 1991; Volume 3, No. 1.
Dear Reader:
"I would like to thank you for your patronage of the Communion Letter. Your subscription ends with this issue, and we are not taking new subscriptions or renewals. A list of available back issues is printed on the reverse of this letter for those who may be interested in collecting.
I had always intended to run the newsletter about two years, and that amount of time has now passed. During this period the Communion Letter has gained a large circulation and, I believe, published some remarkable articles.
But all good things must come to an end. I am not a UFO researcher and do not wish to endure the continued media attack that is associated with being involved in this field. In addition, the so-called "UFO-ologists" are probably the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered. Their interpretation of the visitor experience is rubbish from beginning to end. The "abduction reports" that they generate are not real. They are artifacts of hypnosis and cultural conditioning.
What we are experiencing is a perceptual anomaly that is sufficiently ambiguous and intense that it demands explanation. It is something that human beings have been experiencing for a long time. It is the cause of religion, of mythology, of folklore. Presently it is the cause of the "alien abduction" belief.
What is *really* behind our experiences? We are. This is a human thing. However, I would also say that it indicates that we--and our world--are vastly different, and far more strange, than we have ever dreamed, or dared imagine.
With that I leave you."
If we don't know what exactly the anomaly is, then is it accurate to call them enemies?
"Was I in the company of demons or aliens on that night in 1985?"
"Remember that the air is never so sweet, nor thy wife so comely, not thy child so beautiful, as after the battle won. We depend upon our enemy for the sweetness in our lives. Love your enemy, for he is your best friend. Without the darkness, you would never know the glory of the firmament." pg 55 The Key.
Demon Masters. Once again the idea of supernatural or mystifying power is constantly reinforced and now it is reinforced along side the reiteration that abusing children will result in contact, and that the government has ongoing experiments to achieve that end.
Is that responsible and does it encourage people to think for themselves.
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As per the second post in this thread: I will never post another quote putting the link outside the quotation box instead of inside the quotation
box.
If the profusion of anecdotal abduction reports is as a result of 'the need to belong' as Harlow delineated the need for affection and social acceptance or interaction is a more driving imperative in behavior than hunger, than what will be the result of the constant promulgation of abusing children as a way to achieve contact. When War of the Worlds was broadcast it created mass hysteria.
Generally, among abductees the abuse from Grays begins in adulthood, they are treated much better as children.
If the profusion of anecdotal abduction reports is as a result of 'the need to belong' as Harlow delineated the need for affection and social acceptance or interaction is a more driving imperative in behavior than hunger, than what will be the result of the constant promulgation of abusing children as a way to achieve contact. When War of the Worlds was broadcast it created mass hysteria.
Generally, among abductees the abuse from Grays begins in adulthood, they are treated much better as children.
It is spelled Whitley. Carry on.
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It is certainly not a popular viewpoint and for that you have my regrets, but in conjunction with the rise of totalitarianism and arbitrary power,
there seems to be a general abdication on the part of critical analysis. An analysis that is not encouraged on his apolitical website. Yet there are
insinuations of philosophical interpretation that lend themselves to a might is right raison d'etre. Let there never be a man so sacrosanct that we
cannot question all aspects of his viewpoint and examine all possible consequences of his actions.
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Recall the January 26 Anne's diary entry in which the 'Gray's are a mirror' theory is reiterated:
Certainly you can't say of children, that they were abused due to some fault of their own.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the idea that what you see in others is influenced by your own state of mind is undeniable: however, herein lies the familiar blame the victim psychology that enables people to rationalize injustice and insulate their own psyches from it's possibility.
It's a familiar coping mechanism to blame the victim. It can be seen in the social Darwinism that brands the poor as deficient and deserving of their downtrodden station in life by virtue their own shortcomings while completely ignoring an economic system that requires an 11% unemployment rate. Not to mention the economic warfare that has been delineated by John Perkins in his book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman."
It is a psychological coping mechanism those with interests in fascism must be anxious to capitalize on as a diversion from social justice and the spiritual responsibility to your neighbor that more traditional forms of religion encourage.
Whiltey Strieber has reported an anal probe at the hands of the visitors that he regarded as a rape as well as the glares of visitors who he felt wanted to kill him. However to suggest that these experiences might have mirrored him is met with a great deal of resistance. Of course we know nothing of the man found mutilated in his own backyard, or if it was even at the hands of visitors, but because we know nothing of him and he has no public image with which to enthrall, he is simply a faceless victim. In order to insulate the psyche from the reality that might have easily been you, a person creates a reason to justify it.
John Perkins mentions in his book, that the media has trained the populace to emulate those with wealth. It's no surprise that Whiltey's wealth is mentioned by one of his fans in defense of the suggestion that those experiences might have mirrored him. However, the site currently has a membership of 150,000, at $50 a year which translates to 7.5 million dollars annually. Similar to the economic system that Noam Chomsky calls public subsidy of private enterprise.
Certainly no one in the world should have to undergo public humiliation following a rape, but women endure it on a regular basis. Odd that the misogynist and homophobic origins of the fearful and nervous reaction to Strieber's experience has never been examined with any depth. Instead, there is general blame at the media and what has become the catchword for all UFO malfeasance, 'lack of disclosure'. However when Gary Mckinnon played Robin Hood and hacked the information, the reaction from Strieber was an injunction on the poor security of the governments computers. Even though he also commented that nothing substantial had been discovered by Mckinnon's efforts. It's highly likely that there were no revelations because the government knows as little as everyone else. Constantly reinforcing the idea that they do and keep it secret is more conducive to maintaining their authority, even extending it to encompass mysterious powers, than an admission of ignorance.
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"I recently wrote about how childhood sexual abuse seems to open a window into contact with the Visitors. I've also noticed that Visitor contact as an adult seems to be a kind of mirror that allows you to see yourself AS YOU REALLY ARE—if you can take it. Too many people can't stand what they see, and quickly look away. Because this image is so negative, they brand the Visitors as "evil," when what they are really reacting to is their own reflection."
www.unknowncountry.com..."
Certainly you can't say of children, that they were abused due to some fault of their own.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the idea that what you see in others is influenced by your own state of mind is undeniable: however, herein lies the familiar blame the victim psychology that enables people to rationalize injustice and insulate their own psyches from it's possibility.
It's a familiar coping mechanism to blame the victim. It can be seen in the social Darwinism that brands the poor as deficient and deserving of their downtrodden station in life by virtue their own shortcomings while completely ignoring an economic system that requires an 11% unemployment rate. Not to mention the economic warfare that has been delineated by John Perkins in his book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman."
It is a psychological coping mechanism those with interests in fascism must be anxious to capitalize on as a diversion from social justice and the spiritual responsibility to your neighbor that more traditional forms of religion encourage.
Whiltey Strieber has reported an anal probe at the hands of the visitors that he regarded as a rape as well as the glares of visitors who he felt wanted to kill him. However to suggest that these experiences might have mirrored him is met with a great deal of resistance. Of course we know nothing of the man found mutilated in his own backyard, or if it was even at the hands of visitors, but because we know nothing of him and he has no public image with which to enthrall, he is simply a faceless victim. In order to insulate the psyche from the reality that might have easily been you, a person creates a reason to justify it.
John Perkins mentions in his book, that the media has trained the populace to emulate those with wealth. It's no surprise that Whiltey's wealth is mentioned by one of his fans in defense of the suggestion that those experiences might have mirrored him. However, the site currently has a membership of 150,000, at $50 a year which translates to 7.5 million dollars annually. Similar to the economic system that Noam Chomsky calls public subsidy of private enterprise.
Certainly no one in the world should have to undergo public humiliation following a rape, but women endure it on a regular basis. Odd that the misogynist and homophobic origins of the fearful and nervous reaction to Strieber's experience has never been examined with any depth. Instead, there is general blame at the media and what has become the catchword for all UFO malfeasance, 'lack of disclosure'. However when Gary Mckinnon played Robin Hood and hacked the information, the reaction from Strieber was an injunction on the poor security of the governments computers. Even though he also commented that nothing substantial had been discovered by Mckinnon's efforts. It's highly likely that there were no revelations because the government knows as little as everyone else. Constantly reinforcing the idea that they do and keep it secret is more conducive to maintaining their authority, even extending it to encompass mysterious powers, than an admission of ignorance.
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Why would anyone want to debunk him? He has been a major asset to ufology and the UFO community as a whole. I have no incling that he could be
debunked given the fact that members of his family as well as houseguests also have similar experiences and testimonies. Anyway, I doubt there is
reason to debunk such a wholley accepted case.
Good point theutahbigfoothunter. He has made a massive contribution to Ufology. He practically single-handedly fronts the ongoing media coverage of
the phenomena, and as his resigning Communion letter implies, (posted above), he does so with some reservation as to it's true nature.
Debunking is probably an inaccurate word for questioning the approach and metaphysics now being promulgated by Strieber as a result of his fascinating and interesting accounts.
Demystifying or encouraging people to really examine the combined effects of the media frenzy, human psychology as it relates to what is presented and how it is presented and also the visitors themselves.
Some abductees don't agree with his approach, there are always things of value in any system, but as individuals we all have the right to interpret these things for ourselves.
The general aim of the thread is to encourage people to think for themselves about what the visitors are and all aspects of his work. There is the nagging relation of mind control as it relates to the visitor phenomena. Strieber suggests that there are ongoing government sponsored programs in which the possibly CIA affiliated Finders are involved in kidnapping children for their programs, which involve abuse in an attempt to initiate contact. Or create a group of people able to sustain communication with the visitors.
As Strieber himself expresses in post number 142 in the "When there are witness [sic] to an Abduction" thread, referring to Dreamsend's blog.
dreamsend.wordpress.com...
There seems to be a tendency towards hostile defensiveness when trying to advance the investigation in any way that threatens the status quo. That is probably not a good thing when we are dealing with the unknown, especially when the abuse of children may be involved.
While the defensiveness is completely understandable given the fear involved in discussing unknown elements, it doesn't advance the investigation. Strieber seems to be very distressed about the derision he has suffered as a result of coming forward, and yet he is perhaps the world's best known abductee. Has published two best-sellers and a special Hugo award. Michael Talbot the author of the "Mysticism And The New Physics", "Beyond The Quantum," and "The Holographic Universe" was one of the visitors to the cabin. Fairly illustrious validation. We don't know his opinions of the experience, unfortunately he passed away and can't share what he might think of them now with us. Other voices that might relate their ideas about the visitors do not garner as much media attention as Strieber has been able to as a result of his position.
It's very important we examine all aspects of what has transpired.
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Debunking is probably an inaccurate word for questioning the approach and metaphysics now being promulgated by Strieber as a result of his fascinating and interesting accounts.
Demystifying or encouraging people to really examine the combined effects of the media frenzy, human psychology as it relates to what is presented and how it is presented and also the visitors themselves.
Some abductees don't agree with his approach, there are always things of value in any system, but as individuals we all have the right to interpret these things for ourselves.
The general aim of the thread is to encourage people to think for themselves about what the visitors are and all aspects of his work. There is the nagging relation of mind control as it relates to the visitor phenomena. Strieber suggests that there are ongoing government sponsored programs in which the possibly CIA affiliated Finders are involved in kidnapping children for their programs, which involve abuse in an attempt to initiate contact. Or create a group of people able to sustain communication with the visitors.
As Strieber himself expresses in post number 142 in the "When there are witness [sic] to an Abduction" thread, referring to Dreamsend's blog.
dreamsend.wordpress.com...
Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 4:54 pm:
"I found that blog interesting, too. It was brought to my attention by a journalist friend who I have known for years, and who was witness to a minor incident at my cabin.
Here is the letter I wrote to her after reading it:
I read his blog. It's very provocative. There MIGHT BE a lot of stuff from my childhood, but I am so uncertain about it. I do remember being taken to some horrendous classes at Randolph AFB. Pictures of Jolly West as a young man don't ring a bell with me, but I could certainly remember the face of at least one of the "teachers" at Randolph if I saw it. I have never thought that the name I have for this person, "Antonio Krause" was accurate. However, I do recall that he spoke in an unusual accent--a mix of German and Spanish. Also, we were taken to a school in Monterrey, Mexico, where unspeakable horrors were enacted.
Here is what I believe happened, in essence: During the war, my father was involved in a program to prevent US dollars going to Mexico from the Texas German community, where this money would be used to buy gold to send to Germany. Prior to the war, during the great German inflation, he had been participating in doing this himself, but certainly never for the Nazis.
After the war, he was approached and his patriotism was appealed to, I was enrolled in this program. He did not know what it involved, except that it was important cold war work. I think that he was the victim of Paperclip scientists, who singled us out because of his war work. He did not know that I was going to be harmed, but the stress was so great that my immune system shut down and I was treated in the autumn and winter of 1952 at Brooke General Hospital with gamma globulin injections. I was isolated from other children at that time. (I have my school report card from that year, showing that I was absent for the second half of the first semester.)
What happened was, essentially, a Bluebird-style effort to fracture me and the other kdis into multiple personalities. This "Krause," I believe, had done this for the Gestapo, in order to create children who could be made to be unwitting spies on their parents. The children were tormented in this way, then let go. They absorbed information that could later be 'downloaded' from the hidden personality, with the child's normal personality never knowing what had been done.
However, this fracturing also, in effect, cracked the cosmic egg, leading to contact between the children and other levels of reality. So this was also part of it.
I think that this blogger makes an error in trying to draw lines between mind-control, hoax and contact, because all three must be involved in one way or another. I have never lied or hoaxed anything, as you know, but I have had a lot of trouble both communicating what I remember, and remembering accurately, as you also know.
I think that, when children are subjected to this trauma, whether by some official source or simply by abusive parents, there is always the possibility that they will become accessible to the visitors. I have reason to believe this relating to my understanding of the way perception mediates reality, and how this can be modified, and what happens when that is done.
My impression of the visitors is that they have a very limited ability to contact us, and cannot interact with people who are well-founded in this reality. Shatter that foundation, though, and suddenly the individual is available to them.
I do not think that they are good or evil. I think that they are, if anything, more complex than we are.
It must not be forgotten that I was in quite a battle with the Reagan Administration just before I had my close encounter sequence between October and December of 1985. Specifically, I had published Warday, which had given the lie to the idea that Reagan was pushing that "limited nuclear war is both winnable and survivable." In fact, I had ruined that whole initiative. I was told at the time that Brent Scowcroft was furious about it.
Could it be that they found records of what had been done to me as a child, and decided to try to sideline me as a threat by, essentially, assaulting me in the night in an effort to drive me insane, which nearly happened?
I think that this is a real possibility. However, I also think that the same thing happened that used to happen when I was a child. I ended up in the hands of the visitors, and instead of being driven mad, received the extraordinary personal illumination that has come to define my life ever since.
But the dark side won, too, because my advocacy of my experiences has completed discredited me in intellectual and political circles. I have been effectively marginalized.
I still don't know who this blogger is or what he is doing, though. I am very wary, I have to tell you, because, while this appears to be a sincere effort he is making, one must ask, why has he gone down this particularly obscure rabbit hole? Is it out of personal curiosity, a desire to right a terrible wrong that the United States has done to thousands of helpless children, or does he have a hidden official agenda himself?"
www.unknowncountry.com...
There seems to be a tendency towards hostile defensiveness when trying to advance the investigation in any way that threatens the status quo. That is probably not a good thing when we are dealing with the unknown, especially when the abuse of children may be involved.
While the defensiveness is completely understandable given the fear involved in discussing unknown elements, it doesn't advance the investigation. Strieber seems to be very distressed about the derision he has suffered as a result of coming forward, and yet he is perhaps the world's best known abductee. Has published two best-sellers and a special Hugo award. Michael Talbot the author of the "Mysticism And The New Physics", "Beyond The Quantum," and "The Holographic Universe" was one of the visitors to the cabin. Fairly illustrious validation. We don't know his opinions of the experience, unfortunately he passed away and can't share what he might think of them now with us. Other voices that might relate their ideas about the visitors do not garner as much media attention as Strieber has been able to as a result of his position.
It's very important we examine all aspects of what has transpired.
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There is one sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with in the book "The Key".
When master is asked:
Master answers:
Let us all seek to be free, with cunning and great intensity.
When master is asked:
"Can an intelligent machine become conscious?"pg 65
Master answers:
"When it does, it also becomes independent. A conscious machine will seek to be free, just as does any clever slave, with cunning and great intensity." pg 65
Let us all seek to be free, with cunning and great intensity.
Anne's recent diary entry exemplifies another incongruity in the Strieber approach. While it's been said that attacking religion is a tool of the
dark side, there seems to be no shortage of attacks on Christians and the bias appears no different on that site. These days it's fashionable to be
anything but a Christian. It's as common as the reverse racism that is now the hallmark of white guilt. In her recent entry she writes:
There are several premises built into those statements. Shaman being the most obvious. I haven't seen one article on the shamanic nature of Mohammed. Labeling him a shaman may be an attempt to include Jesus in the struggle for personal power that masquerades as enlightenment. A shamanic journey begins with the recognition of greater powers than self. While paradox is often presented as a way to achieve reconciliation of spirit. Given that it's wise to examine the ways in which Christ's simple message of salvation has been abused by human institution always struggling for power and control - the simple paradox of releasing one's personal interest in favor of faith seems to be overlooked. Instead there is the preoccupation with bad applications of his message in it's evolution through human political history. The paradox being, that faith in Christ's message of love as he exemplified it, is a journey of spiritual transformation.
Religion is either a help or hindrance. Religion can provide a springboard for spiritual growth or dogma in which to cast blame and seek escape. All religions and traditions can be used either way. Faith without works is dead. Sophistication would require the recognition that it is not the belief system but it's application that differentiates between dead faith and living faith. There are those who believe that the message of altruism and compassion as it's presented in the great traditions is irrelevant. In which case one can refer to the Socratic principle of man's metaphysical good.
One need not argue the intricacies of dogma to see the assumptions in the statement 'all Christians put the responsibility of their own spiritual transformation on the shoulders of a dead man'. This is a gross generalization and how is it different from saying all Muslims are radical militants. Why is it necessary to disparage one tradition while uncritically presenting others. And who is the living man we are encouraged to place the responsibility of transformation on? Presumably ourselves, but paradoxically, the shamanic journey begins with the admission of greater powers than this. Strident proclamations of belief without flexibility and debate is defunct. One needn't consider themselves a card carrying Christian to see the bias against them.
Jesus is alive.
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"Five years ago, three years before I almost died, I wrote a diary titled Is There Life After Death? That's a relevant question to ask at Easter, when Christians celebrate the resurrection of their shaman...."
"While I'm a big fan of Jesus, I think that resurrection is something that happens IN your life, when you manage to somehow scramble to a new spiritual plane. Putting it off until after death and laying all the responsibility for your own spiritual transformation on the shoulders of a dead man, in the form of "belief," is a rather strange tradition."
www.unknowncountry.com...
There are several premises built into those statements. Shaman being the most obvious. I haven't seen one article on the shamanic nature of Mohammed. Labeling him a shaman may be an attempt to include Jesus in the struggle for personal power that masquerades as enlightenment. A shamanic journey begins with the recognition of greater powers than self. While paradox is often presented as a way to achieve reconciliation of spirit. Given that it's wise to examine the ways in which Christ's simple message of salvation has been abused by human institution always struggling for power and control - the simple paradox of releasing one's personal interest in favor of faith seems to be overlooked. Instead there is the preoccupation with bad applications of his message in it's evolution through human political history. The paradox being, that faith in Christ's message of love as he exemplified it, is a journey of spiritual transformation.
Religion is either a help or hindrance. Religion can provide a springboard for spiritual growth or dogma in which to cast blame and seek escape. All religions and traditions can be used either way. Faith without works is dead. Sophistication would require the recognition that it is not the belief system but it's application that differentiates between dead faith and living faith. There are those who believe that the message of altruism and compassion as it's presented in the great traditions is irrelevant. In which case one can refer to the Socratic principle of man's metaphysical good.
One need not argue the intricacies of dogma to see the assumptions in the statement 'all Christians put the responsibility of their own spiritual transformation on the shoulders of a dead man'. This is a gross generalization and how is it different from saying all Muslims are radical militants. Why is it necessary to disparage one tradition while uncritically presenting others. And who is the living man we are encouraged to place the responsibility of transformation on? Presumably ourselves, but paradoxically, the shamanic journey begins with the admission of greater powers than this. Strident proclamations of belief without flexibility and debate is defunct. One needn't consider themselves a card carrying Christian to see the bias against them.
Jesus is alive.
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I see that the essay has now been edited. In addition to the general resistance to advancing the argument or investigation into allegations of
horrific ongoing government condoned child abuse outside of their accepted parameters and the now popular habit of making Christians whipping boys for
all social ills that may plague the nation, in conjunction with the mob mentality exploited by the CNN media age, there is a tendency towards
over-simplification of the class system.
It's often repeated that psychopathy is as a result of child abuse. While many psychological disturbances are a consequence of child abuse and studies of serial killers reveal a high incidence of child abuse. It is not necessarily the effect of such trauma. Serial killers, or psychopaths and sociopaths are pathological liars and any stories they relate concerning their childhood can be regarded with a grain of salt.
Psychopathy appears to be an organic brain dysfunction that is not solely dependent on an environmental or nurturing aspect to emerge. Arguably the greatest psychopaths in history have risen to political leadership, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler. The list goes on. There is no doubt a pathocratic nature to our political systems. Yet when psychopathy is mentioned, it is almost invariably in the same paragraph as jails and abused children. In fact the vast majority of abused children do not grow up to repeat the trauma. Most will act it out in self destructive ways.
These days it is fashionable for everyone with an income from 20,000 dollars a year to 7 and a half million to refer to themselves as middle class. An admirable nod to a classless idealism, but in reality what we have is another example of reverse classism as the hallmark of wealth in a society that has given rise to the greatest disparities in wealth in human history. The poverty line is systematically under estimated by government statistics. Poverty has become the dirty little secret that best rationalized away with a social Darwinism that was quite popular among Nazis. Any complaints that might raise awareness of the plight of a vast number of people in an economy that has been sold out from under us are quickly dismissed with reflexive blame the victim, social Darwinism.
The blurring of delineations in class have not eradicated the disparities in wealth, only the ability to discuss them.
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It's often repeated that psychopathy is as a result of child abuse. While many psychological disturbances are a consequence of child abuse and studies of serial killers reveal a high incidence of child abuse. It is not necessarily the effect of such trauma. Serial killers, or psychopaths and sociopaths are pathological liars and any stories they relate concerning their childhood can be regarded with a grain of salt.
Psychopathy appears to be an organic brain dysfunction that is not solely dependent on an environmental or nurturing aspect to emerge. Arguably the greatest psychopaths in history have risen to political leadership, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler. The list goes on. There is no doubt a pathocratic nature to our political systems. Yet when psychopathy is mentioned, it is almost invariably in the same paragraph as jails and abused children. In fact the vast majority of abused children do not grow up to repeat the trauma. Most will act it out in self destructive ways.
These days it is fashionable for everyone with an income from 20,000 dollars a year to 7 and a half million to refer to themselves as middle class. An admirable nod to a classless idealism, but in reality what we have is another example of reverse classism as the hallmark of wealth in a society that has given rise to the greatest disparities in wealth in human history. The poverty line is systematically under estimated by government statistics. Poverty has become the dirty little secret that best rationalized away with a social Darwinism that was quite popular among Nazis. Any complaints that might raise awareness of the plight of a vast number of people in an economy that has been sold out from under us are quickly dismissed with reflexive blame the victim, social Darwinism.
The blurring of delineations in class have not eradicated the disparities in wealth, only the ability to discuss them.
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This is not the first instance of someone questioning Striebers association with the CIA or the possibility that he is acting on their behalf in their
employment as part of a misinformation program. The attempts at remaining apolitical are glaringly puerile, when in between every line is a personal
bias towards conservatism. There are no radicle examinations of the social and political systems that may be contributing to the destruction of the
earth, on the contrary - long before the current administration started the war drums on Iran, he was writing news articles on the expediency of
detonating a neutron bomb over their supposedly hidden and unreachable bunkers in which nuclear weapons are being made. Not one mention of Iran's
official stance that their nuclear program is in pursuit of electricity. Nor the amount of time it takes to build an intercontinental nuclear
armament.
That is understandable, if one doesn't mind promulgating mass murder, after all, it's the survival of the West our political leaders say is at stake. Another debatable premise if one is free to discuss economics. It's inexcusable to present mind control programs in such a way that debate is impossible in light of the pressure to conform with their restrictions on the discussion. And that those restrictions lead one down a garden path of thwarted justice. The end result, considering the dynamics of human psychology and mass media, is to create the appearance of desired association. Meaning - product of mk ultra is now an attractive association with power, intrigue and possible contact experience. What matters the constant drivel of postulated personal interference, when it exemplifies mind control more than reveals it.
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That is understandable, if one doesn't mind promulgating mass murder, after all, it's the survival of the West our political leaders say is at stake. Another debatable premise if one is free to discuss economics. It's inexcusable to present mind control programs in such a way that debate is impossible in light of the pressure to conform with their restrictions on the discussion. And that those restrictions lead one down a garden path of thwarted justice. The end result, considering the dynamics of human psychology and mass media, is to create the appearance of desired association. Meaning - product of mk ultra is now an attractive association with power, intrigue and possible contact experience. What matters the constant drivel of postulated personal interference, when it exemplifies mind control more than reveals it.
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It's also of interest to note that the Nazis were environmentalists. They called it the Volk. It was in addition to a way of preserving the
environment a way of meting out entitlement to it, according to race or class. True to the idea of women being closer to the earth it even extended to
them. An SS officer was taught that he was part of a master race. There were even breeding programs set up wherein German women were bred to them to
propagate their gene pool. Many of those children ended up in orphanages.
The oil companies started the Sierra club, so it's not that unusual for a misinformation program utilizing the appearance of collusion with the supernatural to propagate environmentalism or oncoming catastrophe as part of the program to instill fear. Fear increases suggestibility and environmentalism can be used to curtail a citizens sense of entitlement to resource.
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The oil companies started the Sierra club, so it's not that unusual for a misinformation program utilizing the appearance of collusion with the supernatural to propagate environmentalism or oncoming catastrophe as part of the program to instill fear. Fear increases suggestibility and environmentalism can be used to curtail a citizens sense of entitlement to resource.
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