Originally posted by TheAvenger
It's getting bit late for an old man. I will post a few tidbits then more tomorrow.
Schwinger
Originally posted by forestlady
OK, then how's this: Water vapor condenses into clouds, which have a COOLING effect. So how in the world could it be contributing to global warming more than CO2??
March 15, 2004 - (date of web publication)
SATELLITE FINDS WARMING "RELATIVE" TO HUMIDITY
A NASA-funded study found some climate models might be overestimating the amount of water vapor entering the atmosphere as the Earth warms. Since water vapor is the most important heat-trapping greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, some climate forecasts may be overestimating future temperature increases.
Originally posted by forestlady
Here's another point: You said earlier I believe that deforestation and the oceans are more important than worrying about global warming.
I don't understand where you're coming from. Everything I've read link deforestation and troubled oceans to global warming as causes for GW.
Can you explain that please?
Originally posted by TheAvenger
Water vapor is 95% of the greenhouse gas abundance in the atmosphere, and is a much better infrared absorber than CO2. CO2 is thus only 5% of the whole bloody thing to begin with, thereby making CO2 a very unlikely cause of global warming.
Originally posted by thelibra
Frankly the term "Global Warming" only ticks me off
Originally posted by thelibra
So please enlighten me as to how you have found peer reviewed papers printed in the last year that adequately refutes mankind's involvement in global climate change.
Originally posted by thelibra
"Yes, humans have significantly contributed to global climate change."
Bush says he takes climate change "very seriously"
"I've taken this issue very seriously. I have said that it is a serious problem. I recognize that man is contributing greenhouse gases."
Originally posted by loam
Even Bush, today, said:
Bush says he takes climate change "very seriously"
"I've taken this issue very seriously. I have said that it is a serious problem. I recognize that man is contributing greenhouse gases."
He should know. He's had his administration redacting that information from the government science for most of his administration.
Schwinger
I've just had time to read through this article, as it seems to be the only scientific article you have posted.
Can you tell me what you find so compelling about the argument contained within?
[edit on 3-4-2007 by melatonin]
Originally posted by Rren
With all this debate what is the consensus wrt what can be done? Even if man contributes significantly to climate-change (seems counter-intuitive that we do not) and, even if CO2 emissions are the the number one problem (I have no clue tbh)... what can reasonably be done to repair the damage done? Logistics/reality wise.
Since you changed your last post:
Originally posted by TheAvenger
I will not be insulted by members here who clearly know little of the subject matter.
Who insulted you?
Just based on past experience on A.T.S.
Originally posted by TheAvenger
The fact is, I have asked elementary questions, like how CO2 causes global warming more vs. water vapor and have yet to get a credible answer from anyone.
Then, let's start with this: Water vapour: feedback or forcing?
[edit on 3-4-2007 by loam]
To answer you like you do me, Real climate is an Al Gore affiliated/sponsored site , has their own agenda and has zero credibility with me.
Originally posted by TheAvenger
posted by melatonin
Schwinger
I've just had time to read through this article, as it seems to be the only scientific article you have posted.
Can you tell me what you find so compelling about the argument contained within?
You must be a very poor judge of science.
Originally posted by loam
I note with interest that you failed to comment on this: Water vapour: feedback or forcing?
Originally posted by loam
Maudibb
How about that source for your graph???
There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.
The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.
