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reply posted on 15-5-2007 @ 12:02 PM by mikesingh
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Check out the colorized version!
Now the question is....WHY THE DEVIL DON'T NASA OR ESA PLAN TO LAND THEIR ROVERS/BUGGIES NEAR MANY OF THESE VERY INTRIGUING AREAS?
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reply posted on 15-5-2007 @ 05:50 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by blue bird
AND WHY DIAGONAL?
Because that was the best way to come down from where it was.
And yes, I think that was made by a rock (but I can't find any rock that could have made that track on the photo), as all the (many) other marks on
that photo (the full resolution photo).
A little further down, this track has a rock at the end that I suppose was the one who did it.
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reply posted on 15-5-2007 @ 05:52 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by mikesingh
Now the question is....WHY THE DEVIL DON'T NASA OR ESA PLAN TO LAND THEIR ROVERS/BUGGIES NEAR MANY OF THESE VERY INTRIGUING AREAS?
Some of the
most interesting areas are too near the poles to be a good option for a robot, at least for now.
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reply posted on 17-5-2007 @ 02:26 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by ArMaP
Because that was the best way to come down from where it was.
Thats just silly... it would have to defy gravity to make that transverse in a straight line across a steep slope... and arc maybe but not a straight
line
And yes, I think that was made by a rock
What kind of rock... and how did it make small holes on "bounces" two in a row then long ones then back to short ones...
Now if you had said "Linear Collapse" I might have given you more credit
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reply posted on 17-5-2007 @ 02:33 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by zorgon
Thats just silly... it would have to defy gravity to make that transverse in a straight line across a steep slope... and arc maybe but not a straight
line
First of all, I think the track starts at the bottom right and goes to top left and not the other way.
And to know if it is up-hill or down-hill we have to know something we do not know just by looking at the photo, i.e. the relative altitude of all
those areas.
What kind of rock... and how did it make small holes on "bounces" two in a row then long ones then back to short ones...
The shape of
the track depends on the shape of the rock. I know this is silly, but imagine a rock with the general shape of the Mercedes symbol but without the rim
around it. Imagine now that one of the three points of that rock is brocken and so it is wider than the others. The resulting track would be something
like this:
o o O o o O o o O o o O
Now if you had said "Linear Collapse" I might have given you more credit
I did not said it because I think that that track is more
likely to have been made by a rock, I only say what I think, regardless of what other people think.
That is why it is my opinion.
The fact that are many other tracks around it and at least one has a rock at the end helps me think this was made by a rock, like all those other
tracks in the other two photos that were posted some time ago.
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reply posted on 17-5-2007 @ 10:12 PM by mikesingh
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Originally posted by ArMaP
The fact that are many other tracks around it and at least one has a rock at the end helps me think this was made by a rock, like all those other
tracks in the other two photos that were posted some time ago.
OK. So one out of ten tracks has a rock at the end. How about the other nine?
Cheers!
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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 12:00 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by ArMaP
And to know if it is up-hill or down-hill we have to know something we do not know just by looking at the photo, i.e. the relative altitude of all
those areas.
Really? You mean you cannot tell which part is the high ground when looking at a picture like that? The peaks and valley are really quite obvious
"just by looking"and the shadows highlight the high points...
Originally posted by ArMaPI know this is silly, but imagine a rock with the general shape of the Mercedes symbol but without the rim
around it.
Yuppers that sure is silly alright.  So now you have to manufacture silly shaped boulders to explain the tracks... and the flaw in your opinion
is as you say the rock is missing...
AND if you look closely at the pattern of the marks your Mercedes Rock must have changed as it rolled because the pattern changes..
It also goes in a perfectly straight line, despite the changes in elevation and does not follow the "lay of the land"
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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 03:53 AM by john gillies
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Great finds, and would like you to view this from Iani Chaos MARS.
youtube.com...
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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 04:19 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by mikesingh
OK. So one out of ten tracks has a rock at the end. How about the other nine?
It's more like 6 out of 8, if I did not get the tracks mixed.
And no, I have no idea why there isn't any rock at the end of those tracks or even if that is the end of the track, as I do not have any way of
knowing if the tracks that have rocks at the end were made by those rocks. I do not even know if those things are rocks, that is just my opinion.
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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 04:46 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by zorgon
So now you have to manufacture silly shaped boulders to explain the tracks... and the flaw in your opinion is as you say the rock is
missing...
I do not have to manufacture anything to explain the tracks, that was just a way to try to explain what I think.
AND if you look closely at the pattern of the marks your Mercedes Rock must have changed as it rolled because the pattern
changes..
Apparently my idea was not the best. When I spoke of the "Mercedes rock" I was thinking of the shape of a cross-section of the rock
because I thought it would be easier to imagine, some people have some difficulty imagining 3D objects with unfamiliar shapes.
The rock I suppose made that track could have a cross-section looking like the Mercedes symbol and a different cross-section looking like a
perfect circle (not the band  ), and a third cross-section looking like a five points star.
It also goes in a perfectly straight line, despite the changes in elevation and does not follow the "lay of the land"
No, it goes in
an almost perfect straight line, if you put the image in an image editing program and draw a line you will see that the track makes a very
slight bend to the right, imagining that the track starts at the bottom of the image.
As for the changes in elevation, I do not see anything that shows any difference in elevation along the track, the only changes I see along the track
are changes in the colour of the ground.
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 08:57 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by ArMaP
The rock I suppose made that track could have a cross-section looking like the Mercedes symbol and a different cross-section looking like a
perfect circle (not the band  ), and a third cross-section looking like a five points star.
That Mercedes Rock is some rock alright with all those different cross sections and protuberances... mighty impressive boulder indeed...
No, it goes in an almost perfect straight line, if you put the image in an image editing program and draw a line you will see that the track
makes a very slight bend to the right, imagining that the track starts at the bottom of the image.
Why would I imagine it starts at the bottom of the image, when the overall image clearly shows which way is UP?
As for the changes in elevation, I do not see anything that shows any difference in elevation along the track, the only changes I see along the track
are changes in the colour of the ground.
Ah I see... so what you are telling me then... if there are no changes in elevation as you say, then this Mercedes Rock rolled a long distance on a
flat surface... bouncing, twisting and skipping across this level ground, so it lands on the different points on the three cross sections of this
Mercedes Rock...
Okay I have seen rocks in Utah move over a flat surface, (leaving a flat continuous trail)... so ignoring the fact that the image is of a CHASM, with
clearly defined and described steep SLOPES... we will assume for a moment that the track is on level ground...
Okay so where is this miraculous Mercedes Rock that made this strange track? Surely it did not just vanish into thin air?
OY and you skeptics call US crazy...

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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 10:43 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Originally posted by zorgon
OY and you skeptics call US crazy...

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The thing about "skeptics" is that they represent the best side of myself. I am skeptical...but i also believe that until we can prove it beyond
any possible arguement, anything is possible. What is so hard about admitting this?
Do i believe everything you (or John, or RikRiley, or undo, or sleeper....) say? No, but i do believe that is is plausible, possible, and sometimes
probable.
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 11:50 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Do i believe everything you (or John, or RikRiley, or undo, or sleeper....) say? No, but i do believe that is is plausible, possible, and sometimes
probable.
LOL that was directed at ArMap
What? You don't take our word as gospel? What cheek! I mean how can we start a cult if we don't have absolute blind followers?
Sigh oh well back to the drawing board....
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 12:20 AM by mikesingh
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
The thing about "skeptics" is that they represent the best side of myself. I am skeptical...but i also believe that until we can prove it beyond
any possible arguement, anything is possible. What is so hard about admitting this?
Do i believe everything you (or John, or RikRiley, or undo, or sleeper....) say? No, but i do believe that is is plausible, possible, and sometimes
probable.
Hmmm... You can either be a skeptic or a believer. Alternative 3 is a fence sitter! Neither here nor there! So you must be a fence sitter then? 
These are the great ones with an open mind. Like myself!
Cheers!
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 08:30 AM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Zorgon...i was just making comment on the word skeptic. Maybe i thought it might be more for ArMap's benefit. I kind of like that guy (maybe it is
his South Park avatar?).
Mike, i wouldn't exactly say "fence sitter". Well...maybe you could.
I know that something is going on, and i want to look for the clues. Zorgon, yourself, undo...these people seem to be finding real clues and
something to go on. Whether they are right or wrong, they have my attention because they are not approaching this from some far flung, sci fi manner.
They are taking official government documents and putting them in lay terms. They are pouring over photo's looking for things that don't match.
True research. I definitely appreciate that.
I am on the fence, i guess, as much as anyone who is looking for truth (not promoting a pet theory). Thus, my "beliefs" change easily, based on new
information. I find it much easier to do it this way than to risk traumatic disillusionment by believing blindly.
Regarding "Moon tracks", can we find any tire tracks that would support some of the machinery seen up there? Or are they using hover craft? You
would think a truck this size would definitely leave some tracks behind, right?:
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 03:48 PM by ArMaP
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Originally posted by zorgon
That Mercedes Rock is some rock alright with all those different cross sections and protuberances... mighty impressive boulder indeed...
What is the problem with a rock with many different cross sections?
Maybe I am using the wrong words, but if you cut a rock in half, the new surface of each half it's what I call the cross section. If you cut the rock
in a different way you will most probably get a different cross section, unless the rock is a perfect sphere, in that case all cross sections that
intersect the centre of the rock will look like a perfect circle.
If you do not cut the rock through its centre then, even with a sphere, you can get different looking cross sections.
Why would I imagine it starts at the bottom of the image, when the overall image clearly shows which way is UP?  You look like someone with a
good imagination.
OK, then you know that downslope is towards the top of the image. Good.
Ah I see... so what you are telling me then... if there are no changes in elevation as you say, then this Mercedes Rock rolled a long distance
on a flat surface... bouncing, twisting and skipping across this level ground, so it lands on the different points on the three cross sections of this
Mercedes Rock...
If I understand what you are saying you are talking about two different things, a flat surface and level ground.
A flat surface does not mean a horizontal surface, it could be in any position from horizontal to vertical, and in this case I was only talking about
the ground where the track was made, you can have a non flat surface on a mountain slope but have many completely flat strips of ground from the top
to the bottom.
Okay I have seen rocks in Utah move over a flat surface, (leaving a flat continuous trail)... so ignoring the fact that the image is of a
CHASM, with clearly defined and described steep SLOPES... we will assume for a moment that the track is on level ground...
If by “level”
you mean horizontal, I never spoke of level ground.
Okay so where is this miraculous Mercedes Rock that made this strange track? Surely it did not just vanish into thin air?
I said it
from the beginning that I could not find anything that could have made that track on the photo, if you read my posts you know that I said it at least
once.
OY and you skeptics call US crazy...  I never called you crazy, but I can start at any time you like. If you like it I can even
call other things, and in even in different languages.
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reply posted on 27-5-2007 @ 04:03 PM by ArMaP
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OK, this new track, although very small and with a rock(I suppose) at one end, is the only I think is going up instead of down, unless I am missing
something.
I found it while looking for a photo with one of those marks of flowing "something". The photo shows that the "something" flowed to North, but the
"rock" rolled South.
The "rock" is at the bottom of the photo, to the left of the flowing marks.
As the rock is so near the flowing marks this is one case for which I cannot think of any explanation.
Close-up of the "rock".
Any ideas?
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reply posted on 30-5-2007 @ 03:16 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by ArMaP
Any ideas?
Well looking at the dark area in your first image I would say the top of your image is "down" but I would need to study the full original
In the meantime what is that bright thing with the tall shadow in your second picture?
I never called you crazy,
Figure of speech.. not meant literally.. sorry forgot your origin
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