Talmud, and Freemasons.

I have reviewed your links and find two things of importance In the preface of the SEPHER SEPHIROTH, you provided: 1. It mentions the human sacrifices of the Jewish faith, 2. The obvious intentional misspelling of words. Both of which I have done research.

Are we to believe, askes the skeptic, that a number of learned men deliberately
sat down and chose words for the sake of their numerical value? Language is
a living thing, with many sources and diverse; can it be moulded in any such
arbitrary fashion?
The only reply seems to be a mere assertion that to some extent it certainly
is so. Examples of a word being spelt deliberately wrong do occur; and such
a jugglery as the changing of the names Abram and Sarai to Abraham and Sarah
can hardly be purposeless. Once admit the end of such a wedge, and it is
difficult to say whether it may not be driven home so far as to split asunder the
Tree of Knowledge, if not the Tree of Life.

Human sacrifices are to-day still practiced by the Jews of Eastern Europe,
as is set forth at length by the late Sir Richard Burton in the MS. which the
wealthy Jews of England have compassed heaven and earth to suppress, and
evidenced by the ever-recurring Pogroms against which so senseless and outcry
is made by those who live among those degenerate Jews who are at least not
cannibals.
Is it to such people, indeed, that we are to look for the highest and sublest
spiritual knowledge?

There is no denying that mis spelled words can, over a period of time have an adverse effect on the written history. If one looks at the English language one will find example after example of this. And when one peruses this they are told, well, its just the way it is. As a school boy I remember many a time I have had the ruler cracked over my knuckles for trying to follow the rules of the English language only to be told I was wrong. I before E, except after C ""THEIR"". ""CHIEF"". This built in illogicalness can be found in other words as well. As the passage alludes to, it must have a reason.

The reason, I suspect is to instill into us at an early age, to accept illogicalness in the core of not only writings but also life itself, and not to challenge it.
In reverse thinking what if the written language has never changed, and was of one tongue? What then could be questioned of the past. We all would know the history of man on this planet and no secrets would exist because all writing would be clear and understandable, and the "Tree Of Life" completely observable. Past this point there only exist possibilities as to what the real reason the occult truths are hidden.

Victoria Polin, as Skadi_the_Evil_Elf pointed out is the girl in the video segment. It is interesting how she pursued her life.
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In part she states:

"Over the years there have been many reasons why the Jewish Community kept silent about sexual crimes committed by individuals in our community. To this day there is a legitimate reason why we may want to remain silent. We have to remember that there is a large number of hate groups that would love to promote their propaganda by posting information about Jews who molest on their web pages and publications. Their eagerness is a reminder that anti-Semitism is alive and thriving."

"Anti-Semites may use this information" clearly demonstrates she is unaware that it is her own religious belief that allows and approves of this type of behavior. It also shows that she herself is ignorant of her own origins. Why do the "Jews" remain silent about child abuse? Because it is their Talmud that states child molestation is acceptable under certain circumstances.

The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe - whether we are orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists - we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.
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Blame the boogie men and anti-Semites. Blame everyone else but themselves. They live in a catch 22, and we the gullible goyim are drawn in.

So what is it in the Babylonian Talmud that is at question?

Gentile Babies Defile
Sodomy is an accepted privilege in Judaistic Talmudism, and we learn from the Talmud, Abodah Zara, 36b, 37a, (see Exhibit 188 and Exhibit 189) that the exception may be if the subject is a Gentile baby, and then only on the ground of alleged defilement. The "Sages" decree that a heathen child causes "defilement by seminal emission, so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit pederasty [i.e. sodomy] with him." Then a harangue commences as to the age when a heathen child starts defiling by discharges (which, in fact, are only possible after adolescence).

The standard idiotic Talmud doctrine is then repeated that a male is "capable of the sexual act" at "nine years and one day" and a female from the age of "three years and one day." From those ages on they can "defile" the Jew, goes the argument in this passage.

Robbery, Stealing, Murder —
Approved Against Gentiles

The "chief repository of the criminal law of the Talmud" (together with Makkoth or "beatings") is the book of Sanhedin (See Exhibit 43). The non-human status of the non-Jew so far as legal or human rights are concerned is reiterated in Sanhedrin 57a. (See Exhibit 57)

A footnote explains that the Talmudist censor inserted the word "Cuthean" in the text for the word goy or Gentile, thus deceiving a possible non-Jewish reader as to the real meaning.

To quote: (Exhibit 57):
"With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed [Footnote: "by secret stealing or by open violence"] or seized a beautiful woman, or committed similar offenses, if these were perpetrated by one Cuthean against another, the theft, etc., must not be kept, and likewise the theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained."
Sufficient filler is then inserted in the footnotes to confuse the "goy" reader, with a reference to the footnote concerning Baba Kamma 37b (See Exhibit 39). There, the false supposition that non-Jews have no "laws of social justice" is said to justify an inhuman standard of immorality taught by the "ox-goring" Talmud reference previously mentioned herein, a standard repeated elsewhere throughout the whole Talmud.

On murder of Gentiles (Exhibit 57):
"For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred: but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty."
The same doctrine abides throughout the whole Talmud. Glancing at the Jewish Encyclopedia section on "Gentiles" we see that Rabbi Simon ben Yohai's edict is: "The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed."

Elsewhere, three and a half large pages are devoted to this Rabbi, whose black magic voodoo is venerated by the Cabalists in Talmudism. (See Jewish Encyclopedia under "Simeon ben Yohai.")

Cheating A Gentile Out Of Wages
Exhibit 58 reproduces other Talmudic "religious" teachings about Gentiles. Applying it to "withholding of a laborer's wage. One Cuthean from another, or a Cuthean from an Israelite is forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted," says the Talmud text.
Illustrating the twisted and tortured thinking of the Talmud "sages" a footnote states:
"This only borders on a robbery, for actual robbery means depriving a person of what he already possesses."
So, if a laborer never gets his wages, he cannot be robbed of what he never received! The "shyster mind" at work!

Sodomy and Killing a Gentile
Sanhednn 58b of the Talmud (Exhibit 59) states that sodomy or: "Unnatural connection is permitted to a Jew" and permits sodomy with a "neighbor's wife."
It also teaches that "If a heathen smites a Jew he is worthy of death." Then follows: "Rabbi Hanina also said: 'He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence.'"
By turning one word into another, and without rhyme or reason picking out a verse in Proverbs 20:25 ("It is a snare to the man who devoureth that which is holy …"), the precept is somehow then evolved that "One who smiteth man — that is an Israelite — attacketh the Holy One."
Throughout the Talmud it is basic Pharisee teaching that only Pharisee Jews are "men."

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Others who have studied the Talmud have similar things to say. Once again we see the misspelled word game played or the inclusion of another word.

Continued to next post:

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye

There is no denying that mis spelled words can, over a period of time have an adverse effect on the written history. If one looks at the English language one will find example after example of this. And when one peruses this they are told, well, its just the way it is. As a school boy I remember many a time I have had the ruler cracked over my knuckles for trying to follow the rules of the English language only to be told I was wrong. I before E, except after C ""THEIR"". ""CHIEF"". This built in illogicalness can be found in other words as well. As the passage alludes to, it must have a reason.

That's all well and good.. but the misspellings are only in the on-line edition. In the original the spelling is correct.

Continued:

Because Christian scholars periodically obtained copies of the Talmud, Talmudic scribes hoped to deceive them by using the name Balaam to denote Jesus. In The Jewish Encyclopedia, under the heading "Balaam," it says, "…the pseudonym 'Balaam' given to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a."6 The Talmud repeatedly uses obscure words to denote Gentiles with an assortment of names such as Egyptian, heathen, Cuthean, and idolater. In the most popular English-language translation of the Talmud, called the Soncino edition, the practice is illustrated by the fifth footnote of the book of Sanhedrin. It reads, "Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy..."7 Christians are sometimes referred to by the code word "Min" or "Minim."8 The footnotes of the Soncino edition of the Talmud as well as passages in the Jewish Encyclopedia blatantly mention this deception. In other passages in the Talmud I discovered a possible reason why some of the Talmud's writers had forbidden Gentiles to read it. The Talmud's words are vitriolic:

* Only Jews are human. [Gentiles] are animals. (Baba Mezia 114a-114b.)9
* For murder, whether of a Cuthean [Gentile] by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty. (Sanhedrin 57a)10
* Even the best of the [Gentiles] should be killed. (Babylonian Talmud)11
* If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. (Moed Kattan 17a.)
* Gentiles' flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is like the issue of horses.12
* If a heathen [Gentile] hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is hitting God. (Sanhedrin 58b.)13
* If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite [Gentile] gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full. (Baba Kamma 37b.)14
* If a Jew finds an object lost by a heathen [Gentile] it does not have to be returned. (Baba Mezia 24a; Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b.)15
* God will not spare a Jew who 'marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean [Gentile]... (Sanhedrin 76a.)16
* What a Jew obtains by theft from a Cuthean [Gentile] he may keep. (Sanhedrin 57a.)17
* [Gentiles] are outside the protection of the law and God has 'exposed their money to Israel.' (Baba Kamma 37b.)18
* Jews may use lies ('subterfuges') to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)19
* All [Gentile] children are animals. (Yebamoth 98a.)20
* [Gentiles] prefer sex with cows. (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.)21
* The vessels of [Gentiles], do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them? (Abodah Zarah 67b.)
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A catholic view

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Truth about the Talmud: Racist, Rabbinic Hate Literature
Seems to be some copy right infringement issues with this link so I will only give the link. There is a section within called "Shaiya Brizel: author of a book telling of sodomy in the synagogue" and could shed ome light on this issue.
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And for those who can afford to purchase a video documentary on Jewish Ritual Murder.

Human Sacrifice among the Fanatical Hasidic Jews and Other Cults from Ancient Times to the Present

A video documentary has been created, detailing bizarre cult rites among fanatics of the Hasidic Jews and other occults throughout recorded history. This video is approximately 1 hour and 45 minutes long. This video is sure to cause ire among some Jews, especially those Jews who try to suggest that such is merely a libelous accusation. The video seems to prove otherwise. As one publication has said about this video, "The ADL is steaming!"
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And of course, Benjamin Freedman: A Jewish Defector Warns America

"Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I'm not here to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We are going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same reason."

"These Khazars(impostor Jews), these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call today Jews. Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian countries of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit and the politicians on the soapboxes talking the same language, it is not too surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black white. And nobody could blame you."

"They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You want to help repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous to call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese Moslems "Arabs." Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., and since then 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief. Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from Mecca and Mohammed's birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to call themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith."
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Conclusion:

1. There exist and organization of individuals of the same bloodlines dating back to the country of Khazaria that in essence are inbred
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into a mythological crime organization.

2. This organization practices Religious rituals and follow the laws spelled out in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud to further its own world domination schemes.

3. As cover it uses the Jewish faith.

4. This organization performs human and blood sacrifices on the individual and the global level by enticing its victims into fighting each other in staged wars.

5. They use tactics such as murder, blackmail, espionage, and "patsy's" or "fall guys".

6. They view themselves as "supreme Gods" over all of mankind.

7. They hold the vast majority of the worlds wealth. "Golden Rule, He Who owns the gold, makes the rules'.

8. All intelligence agency's "Globally" should turn their focus on this group to identify members and expose them publicly for who and what they are.

9. All wealth they have stolen from the countries they occupy be returned to the peoples of that country.

10. All crimes committed by this criminal organization should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

Im surprised you haven't quoted Israel Shahek, All Seeing Eye. He was a holocaust survivor and a scientist who wrote many books about how the Talmud and Jewish society themselves have been very racist for over 3000 years. I much prefer his writings over the hysterical rantings of Satanism and human sacrifice. Far more credible.

While the Talmud might be suspect in alot of ways, I highly doubt sacrificing babies or other nonsense is involved.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


While the Talmud might be suspect in alot of ways, I highly doubt sacrificing babies or other nonsense is involved.

Just to clarify, at least as far as Crowley was concerned, he was almost certainly joking about the human sacrifice and cannibalism stuff. Occult researcher David Godwin suggests that Crowley was probably lampooning Sir Richard Burton (whom Crowley himself mentioned in that preface).

The original Talmud of Judaism as compared to the Zionist interpretation of the Talmud is what the original teachings of Thelema are compared to Aleister Crowley's interpretation of Thelema.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Im surprised you haven't quoted Israel Shahek, All Seeing Eye. He was a holocaust survivor and a scientist who wrote many books about how the Talmud and Jewish society themselves have been very racist for over 3000 years. I much prefer his writings over the hysterical rantings of Satanism and human sacrifice. Far more credible.

While the Talmud might be suspect in alot of ways, I highly doubt sacrificing babies or other nonsense is involved.

Skadi, do you have a link to any Israel Shahek material. Can you post it please.

I do not dispel the possibility that human sacrifice has taken place in the past, and is being practiced today. There is too much information to consider. In as far as being hysterical, maybe so, but is it factual.

Jews have been persecuted mainly because of the non sense of the Talmud. It seems thier elites follow it to the T. The distrubing things the Talmud says are pretty much the reason people have flipped out over the years. Remeber Martin Luther? He once felt it necessary to learn Hebrew so he could read the holy books, and when he read the Talmud, turned 180 into a foaming anti semite. The garbage in the Talmud is worse than the insanity that was Mein Kampf.
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It appears you are of the same mind as I.

Here is Israel Shahak. Sorry, I misspelled it earlier. It is a unique last name.

wikipedia

That gives his background.

Here are a few works by him:

Racist Zionism
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The above is strangely prophetic in regards to the current situation in Iraq. It was written in 93............

An article about the "Jewish Lobby" in Washington. Very interesting.

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Thats just a few, more articles on the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

Shahak in my opinion is a pretty solid credible source on the Talmud and Jewish religous observance, being a Jew and citizen of Israel. If you look at his dossier, its impressive. Warsaw Ghetto/Bergen belsen survivor. Served in an elite unit of the IDF. PhD in Chemistry.

Sorry, no Satanic blood drinking sacrifices and sensationalist garbage here. His points are very valid and provocative: he believes that hard core Judeo-centrism and Strict talmudic observance has basically helped stoked fires of anti-semetism in many places where Jews have been persecuted. he also states that Zionist racism is alive and well ad influencing the US government policies. he believes this paranoid behavior of the hardcore Zionists is opening the flood gates to a future holocaust.

But by the same token, in his various works, he also states that there are a number of Jews who have problem with the Talmud and don't follow it, beliving that the Torah is the only true law. There are others who observe the Talmud, but interpret it differently, more figuratively and in relation to the times they were written in.

It is basically both the religous and secularists who interpret the Talmud literally and dogmatically that Shahak sees as the problem. I can agree here, as the same holds true with Christians and Muslims who interpret the Bible and Koran literally are equally dangerous.

Masonic Light has brought up the subject of the KABBALAH. Many spellings of this word only draws more attention to it.

I have found a rather negative "take" on the Kabbalah. A vary interesting take, to say the least.

Two “Gods” in Judaism

In the Old Testament, God is a conscious moral being. He has perfect knowledge of right and wrong, and He judges us according to our free moral choices.

Yet when the Jews were carried to distant Babylon in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar, they found a very different god. They discovered the pantheistic god of the east—a world force who is “great” not because he loves or is good, but because of his pervasive power everywhere.

The ancient Pharisees liked this “god” because he didn’t disapprove of their perversion of Jehovah’s laws. The Pharisees of Babylon created an elaborate secret theology for the Jews called “Kabbalah.”

Eminent Christian-Jewish historian Alfred Eidersheim comments, “It is undeniable that already at the time of Jesus Christ, there existed an assemblage of doctrines and speculations that were carefully concealed from the multitude. They were not even revealed to ordinary scholars…This kind bore the name of Kabbala…” 1

In Kabbalist theology, “God,” called the “En Sof,” is beyond rational description. He consists of the most exalted, rarified light. As his wavelengths descend, they manifest themselves, according to Jewish Kabbalists, as a most wonderful phenomenon: the Jewish people. Jews, being semi-divine, are the rational, physical manifestations of God’s presence in the universe. They are as indispensable to the existence of the universe as a proton is to an atom.

World Domination

When Jews control the planet, Kabbalists believe, God’s power will be manifest through the Messiah. “The Holy One, blessed be He, will display His force, and exterminate them [Gentiles] from the world.” 8

In that day, “happy will be the lot of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim of whom the Scriptures say: “Their work is vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will perish when God visits them in his wrath.” At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist even as it is written: “The Lord alone will appear great on that day.”” 9

Until then, the Kabbalah has a solemn mission: “It is certain that our captivity will last until the princes of the Gentiles who worship idols are destroyed.” 10

To hasten the end of Israel’s captivity, Kabbalah recommends extermination of Gentiles, not simply as a necessity, but as the highest religious duty. Zohar II explains the principles of redemption of the firstborn of an ass by offering a lamb: “The ass means non-Jew, who is to be redeemed by the offering of a lamb, which is the dispersed sheep of Israel. But if he refuses to be redeemed, then break his skull…They should be taken out of the book of the living…” 11

“In the palaces of the fourth heaven are those who lamented over Sion and Jerusalem and all those who destroyed idolatrous nations…and those who killed off people who worshipped idols are clothed in purple garments so that they may be recognized and honored.” 12

To the Kabbalist, even the quaint and commonplace liturgy of the synagogue has a deep, far-reaching significance: “The feast of tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the other peoples of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the loulab and carry it as a trophy to show that we have conquered all the other people known as ‘populace’…” 13
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Masonic Light has brought up the subject of the KABBALAH. Many spellings of this word only draws more attention to it.

I have found a rather negative "take" on the Kabbalah. A vary interesting take, to say the least.

Two “Gods” in Judaism

In the Hermetic Kabalah, the traditional source of Judaic Kabalah, God is not seen as a "person". The Kabalistic God is the God of Spinoza and Einstein (both Jews who had rejected the traditional Jewish religion).

In the Kabalah, God is seen rather as the life force that permeates the Universe, and which we all are a part. Kabalists view mankind as sort of one entity, that being the personality of God. This is also why concepts such as universal brotherhood, equality, democracy, etc., are stressed in Kabalistic societies. The Kabalist realizes that deep one, we're all the same "person", manifesting itself in variety for self-understanding.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Masonic Light has brought up the subject of the KABBALAH. Many spellings of this word only draws more attention to it.

The correct spelling is קבלה

All the various English spellings are due to the fact Hebrew uses a different alphabet than English.

C,K,Q Are the same sound in Hebrew, you can skip the final h, and double the B and L at will. All will be correct.

Much of the time if it's spelled with a K it means it's the traditional Jewish version, C tends to be the Christian variant, and Q is the Hermetic but it's not set in stone.

Oh and Ditto on what Masonic Light said.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


While the Talmud might be suspect in alot of ways, I highly doubt sacrificing babies or other nonsense is involved.

Just to clarify, at least as far as Crowley was concerned, he was almost certainly joking about the human sacrifice and cannibalism stuff. Occult researcher David Godwin suggests that Crowley was probably lampooning Sir Richard Burton (whom Crowley himself mentioned in that preface).

What leads you to believe a satanist would joke about human sacrifice?

Pardon me for my ignorance on this subject matter, but I do have a question about citations. Why are all the citations of websites? Are there any scholarly books, articles, etc., that have stood the test of time as well as public scrutiny?

I only ask because I remember in all schools I attended (not THAT long ago), many professors, teachers, etc., did not allow for citations of websites due to credibility and authorship issues. I do know the APA Style does allow websites to be cited.

Thanks is advance, for directing me to subject matter I can get my hands around.

Thanks,
Brian

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye


What leads you to believe a satanist would joke about human sacrifice?

Crowley was not a Satanist (he was a Thelemite, and his religion is called Thelema). However, he joked about the subject again in his book "Magick In Theory and Practice" in the chapter called "On The Bloody Sacrifice". He ended the joke was a P.S., saying that anyone who misundertood the symbolism he used in that chapter would definitely get into trouble!

Real Satanists, however, also joke about human sacrifice. For example, see Anton Szandor LaVey's chapter on the subject in "The Satanic Bible".

In real life, Satanists do not practice blood sacrifices (they believe that blood sacrifices are Judeo-Christian innovations). The idea behind blood sacrifice is that energy that comes from the death throes of an animal (or even a human) can be directed for magical purposes. I'm not a Satanist, but I agree with the Satanic Bible (and with Crowley) on this subject: only the lowest form of garbage would try such a thing. On this point, the Satanists agree with Crowley that sexual energy is much more productive (and much more fun) while experimenting with magic.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
In real life, Satanists do not practice blood sacrifices (they believe that blood sacrifices are Judeo-Christian innovations). The idea behind blood sacrifice is that energy that comes from the death throes of an animal (or even a human) can be directed for magical purposes. I'm not a Satanist, but I agree with the Satanic Bible (and with Crowley) on this subject: only the lowest form of garbage would try such a thing.

Really?


If I recall correctly, Aleister Crowley was involved with the practice of some sort of HooDoo(yes, there is a such thing)-type rituals of blood sacrifice of pigeons, related to a specific Obeah tradition(which is kind of odd, as Aleister Crowley had not a nice opinion of "Negroes").

And let us not forget his goat-sex blood sacrifice ritual(which Cug admits that A.C. at least wanted to do, whether he actually performed it or not).





On blood sacrifice:

Question: Were animal sacrifices always black Magic in ancient times or were they done positively in order to balance nature?

Answer: When any type of animal sacrifice is done, whether black or white, it is always in order to appease the forces of nature. Of course, there are other ways, as other religions state, in order to appease the Gods, to please the Gods, but who are the Gods? They are the intelligences of nature that can be tough on us when we violate nature. Therefore, in ancient times they were killing animals in order to release Askokin from the blood in order to appease those forces. Moreover, later on, they even reached the breaking point of killing human beings or sacrificing human beings and in that way of course, they were also breaking the law.

Because they were appeasing the forces of nature but breaking another law, which is Katancia that goes against this, to understand Katancia is very difficult. Even now, you find in India, and many other areas of Asia, and even in America the so-called Voodoo or Santeria in which they kill animals in order to have benefits for something.

The ritual always works but you always have to pay if you violate any law.

So it is better to sacrifice the animals that we have within. That is precisely the great sacrifice that the Gods want, the sacrifice of those animals.

Why sacrifice innocent animals, which are not yet on our level of evolution, why should they have to suffer the consequences of our stupidities? However, this is precisely what this humanity does, every one of its members.

I repeat again, when I was studying that killing of cows in England I thought, well who knows, who knows, maybe that is the way they are trying to avoid the destructive forces of nature from reaching them.

Nonetheless, sooner or later these forces will reach them; because such a holocaust is always against the law.

What the Gods want, or what God wants, or what divinity wants is the Annihilation of our ego and that is the beast or the dragon that we have to kill, that we have to sacrifice.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
On this point, the Satanists agree with Crowley that sexual energy is much more productive (and much more fun) while experimenting with magic.

Fun?!?

Gnostic Kabbalah states:

And (after humanity fornicated) there was one male that came from the spirit of Cain, and they called him Tuval Cain and a female was born with him, and the creatures went astray after her. And her name was Nahemah. From her issued other spirits and demons (egos) came and they float in the air (intellectual brain) and tell things to those other (lustful egos) found below (in the sexual brain). And this Tuval Cain (in the adulterated mind of all intellectual animals) came and brought weapons of killing into the world and this Nahemah became a ghost (within the Psyche of any human being) and became evil and she exists to this day and exists in the great sea (of sex or sexual center of any Intellectual Animal).

And she comes forth and makes sport (Adultery) with the Son of Man, becomes hot for them in their dreams (through sexual dreams), in that Desire that a man has and she takes the desire and brings forth from it other kinds of (violent sexual) spirits.

And those spirits that she bears comes to the woman and they give birth and they go to Lilith, and she nurses them.

Also:

The Three Mountains

...One night, after a cosmic festivity which was celebrated in my honor for having been well qualified in the First Initiation, I was precisely instructed...

“You must pay the crime for having assassinated the God Mercury,” was said unto me...

“Forgive me this Karma...”

“This Karma is unforgivable and can only be paid by working with the Moon.”


Then, I saw how in each labor the Moon would more and more approach the Planet Mercury, until finally mixing with it...

My Innermost, my Real Being, the God Mercury, Shiva, my Monad, while approaching me, told me:

“You must wear the boots of the God Mercury. He then put such boots on my feet...”


The instant in which the Great Hierophant of the Temple showed me a Sports Hall was sensational and Sports Hall was sensational and extraordinary for me...

“Look!” he told me: “You converted the Temple of Mercury into a Sports Hall...”

Certainly, we all assassinated (C)Hiram (Abiff)(the God Mercury) when we ate from the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.

That is why we were warned: “The day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

Posteriorly, the path became frightfully difficult and I had to suffer intensely...

It is obvious that the Path of the Razor’s Edge is absolutely sexual; you know this...


“My Son! You have to patiently suffer the consequences of your errors,” my Divine Mother Kundalini uttered...


On another night, my Mother, filled with pain exclaimed with a great voice:

“My Son! You have exchanged me for other women, there, in the physical world...”

“That was the past, Mother of mine, now I do not exchange you for anyone...”

“You have exchanged me for other women.”

“The past is the past, what matters now is the present; I live from instant to instant and I do wrong when arguing with you...”

“Past, present or future, you are the same one...”

“You are right, Mother of mine...”


Then, how could I deny that I had converted the Temple of Mercury into a Sporting Hall?

[edit on 25-4-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
If I recall correctly, Aleister Crowley was involved with the practice of some sort of HooDoo(yes, there is a such thing)-type rituals of blood sacrifice of pigeons, related to a specific Obeah tradition(which is kind of odd, as Aleister Crowley had not a nice opinion of "Negroes").

He did use pigeon blood once, however it was probably from his dinner, and not a sacrifice. And it was in no way related to HooDoo/VooDoo/VooDon practices.

And let us not forget his goat-sex blood sacrifice ritual(which Cug admits that A.C. at least wanted to do, whether he actually performed it or not).

Please reread that post... I said it was a story that Mary Butts made up.

Fun?!?

Yes Tamahu, Sex is fun.

Originally posted by Cug
He did use pigeon blood once, however it was probably from his dinner, and not a sacrifice. And it was in no way related to HooDoo/VooDoo/VooDon practices.

Once...

...that you apparently know of.


en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Cug
Please reread that post... I said it was a story that Mary Butts made up.

For some reason I remembered that it looked like you were saying that Aleister Crowley actually wanted to do it, but that you were also saying that "Mary Butts" lied about him actually doing it.

Would it really be that far-fetched to say that he would do such a thing, whether he did it or not?


Here are the sources:


Gnostic Mass

Allah School in Atlantis

Google


Though I doubt very much that John Yarker was aware of the perverted rituals that Aleister Crowley would later perform.

And he most certainly would not have condoned them(however, I'm not sure if John Yarker continued to stay Upright on the Path of the Razor's Edge himself).

Yes Tamahu, Sex is fun.

Depends on what one means by "fun".

Of course there's nothing wrong with a Woman and Man enjoying the Holy Sexual-Act together.


But "fun" is a vulgar term to use.

It implies making sport of Sex.



[edit on 25-4-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye


What leads you to believe a satanist would joke about human sacrifice?

because they do such things. Satanists of the La Veyan types are godless hedonists that basically believe in self gratification and self rule are the highest virtues. To sacrifice anything would be in direct conflict with Satanist principles. It has been pointed out that satanists do not believe in a diety named Satan, or any diety for that matter. Satan to the Satanist is an icon, a literary symbol that embodies the principles they hold dear: opposition to Christianity and moral hypocrisy, as well as worship of the individual as god. To sacrifice to Satan or sacrifice to any power would give aknowledgement to the existance of a power that the Christians believe is real, but the satanists believe does not exist except in imagination.

That said, Satanists have a very cynical twisted sense of humor, and will say such things with dry sarcasm to get a rise out of people who they find weak and gullable. they do it for shock. They enjoy watching people spin circles who take every word someone says at face value.

Im not a Satanist, yet some people hold the misconception that Wiccans engage in blood and sacrifice. When my mother used to call me and ask me if i wanted to go to church with her, i told her "Im in the middle of sacrificing my last cat, lemme wash all this blood and viscera off my robes and get changed and Ill be there in a minute". yet Id sooner chop off my arm than harm a hair on my cats fuzzy little bodies, and would not even entertain human sacrifice, as its against Wiccan beliefs.

Its called dry humor.

Originally posted by Tamahu

Once...

...that you apparently know of.

Samael Aun Weor never committed human sacrifice...

... that you apparently know of.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes? nothing about pigeon blood there.

Describing Obeah as "acts" is sound enough, but to call a wanga, a wrapped-up packet that resembles a mojo bag, "the words" is incomprehensible except as veiled allusion or metaphor. Thus it is possible that Crowley was not referring to literal Jamaican Obeah practices or to an actual Haitian wanga.

Did you read the page first?

Here are the sources:


Gnostic Mass

Allah School in Atlantis

Google

Funny, your "sources" have nothing to do with anything Crowley said or wrote.

The first link are the people teaching you falsehoods.

The second is some random blog

And a google search that you seem to have not looked at any of the top links. The second link to Lashtal.com would be a good site to browse.. and you might want to look up the history of the paper called John Bull ( the paper the story the link goes to is from) is all about.

You know I could pull up many nasty websites about SAW, But I'd much rather debates what he said and not what others said about him. Believing everything negative you read/hear about someone just because it fits a preconceived idea is nothing but the EGO talking. The EGO only lets you think your way it the one true way.. and others that don't follow the one true way must be so evil that everything bad they read must be true.

You know the whole retention vrs absorption thing should be most of what you need to know that his way wont fit your way. You don't need a bunch of falsehood's to "support" your claims. In fact your claims would stand stronger if you stood on the truth. IMHO.

Depends on what one means by "fun".

You are not sure what "fun" means?

But this has nothing to do with the Talmud or Freemasons so this discussion would be best in a Crowley thread somewhere.

Originally posted by Cug
Samael Aun Weor never committed human sacrifice...

... that you apparently know of.

Aleister Crowley sacrificing pigeons, or anything else, is much more likely than that and you know it.

Did you read the page first?

Almost all of it, but not all.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes? nothing about pigeon blood there.

If one would combine fecal matter, blood, and sexual fluids; then why not Obeah and pigeon blood?

Funny, your "sources" have nothing to do with anything Crowley said or wrote.

So what? Some of those many sources are reliable enough; and even if the story isn't true, there are many, many reasons why persons such as sweft337 and myself will continue to point out to naive people here, who you and ML keep trying to convince that A.C.'s "Magick" is all fun and games, that it is indeed NOT fun and games at all.

The first link are the people teaching you falsehoods.

Again, at least they're not condoning the eating of feces and semen, and acts of gay-"sex"..., etc.

So that's at least a good start!


The inverted version of Thelema that you propagate here doesn't even have a Foundation to Build from at all, except for that of hedonism, debauchery and self-gratification.


Thelema itself Builds from the Solid Foundation of Yesod: Chastity: The Scientific Transformation of the Drops and Winds through the Channels.


Aleister Crowley's version is built on nothing but sand.

You know I could pull up many nasty websites about SAW, But I'd much rather debates what he said and not what others said about him.

Go ahead; but really his life is so blameless, that I'll bet that you couldn't even find anything other than people trying to point out that his teachings are "cultish".

Believing everything negative you read/hear about someone just because it fits a preconceived idea is nothing but the EGO talking. The EGO only lets you think your way it the one true way.. and others that don't follow the one true way must be so evil that everything bad they read must be true.

Are you saying that I've said that Samael Aun Weor's teachings are the only true way?

Where have I said such a thing, if that is what you're implying?

It might seem funny that Samael Aun Weor's books make up quite a small percentage of my book collection.

They're among the most influential; however I have many books written by a number of various Tibetan Lamas, Christian Saints, Muslim writings, Muata Ashby's Egyptian Yoga, Manly P. Hall, Blavatsky, Ra Un Nefer Amen, Thomas Taylor, etc.

And they are all full of Gnostic teachings that can be perceived if one has the Keys of Alchemy and Kabbalah.


And by the way, I don't believe everything they say about Aleister Crowley.

But as you said before, there is enough on him that he admits himself(like eating his "girlfriend's" feces) .

Or the "cakes".

...among many other nasty things.

You know the whole retention vrs absorption thing should be most of what you need to know that his way wont fit your way. You don't need a bunch of falsehood's to "support" your claims. In fact your claims would stand stronger if you stood on the truth. IMHO.

As I've said before, you go ahead practice whatever you want; I'm not here to convince you not to.

But since I am here every now and then..., whenever I see extremely harmful teachings and practices getting passed off as harmless, I'm going to show that they are indeed destructive.

“Lust(desire) deals a deadly blow to the spiritual calibre of man. It is not possible for you to enter the spiritual path that leads to union with God unless and until you control lust and become established in Brahmacharya. As long as lust smells sweet in your nostrils, you cannot entertain sublime, divine thoughts in your mind... Truth cannot dwell where passion lives.”

-Swami Sivananda

This goes for every Spiritual Tradition.


And I warn all who may reading this, that inverting the Sexual Forces of Eden, through hedonistic "Sex Magick" rituals of fornication for power and desire, will not positively Transmute said energies in a manner conducive to the cessation of suffering.

In the long run it will only further trap the Buddha Essence in the cycle of suffering, the inevatible result being the Second Death where the Essence goes through a long painful journey through the Klipoth, until it is stripped of the egos that obscure it which were created through fornication.





"Do what thou wilt, this shall be the whole of the law, BUT remember that in the end YOU have to answer for all your deeds!"


That which is called Karma, is not just some mentally fabricated concept, or mere philosophical fancy.




[edit on 26-4-2007 by Tamahu]