Originally posted by Tek-Neek55
reply to post by Rockpuck
Okay, well then "ranks" exist through officer positions. They still exist, right?
I suppose so, but as those ranks usually are only about a year, masons get cycled through the "chairs" very quickly so that everyone who wants to go
through the ranks can. The closest thing to what I think YOU mean by rank is better thought of as Prestige. A Pas master has no official rank in a
lodge per say but they have more clout then any of the elected officers, a Past master that has also say served in different officer rolls in the
York, Scottish, Shriner appendent bodies also may increase their prestige by becoming known as an excellent ritualist. Someone who has been a grand
Master of a state deffinately has alot of clout.....but ultimately in a lodge when decisions are made every 3rd degree mason present gets one vote,
the closest thing you could say is masons who have taken tehtime to not only go through the chairs in the blue lodge and appendent bodies gain greater
influence. Just as say an elder in a tribe gains influence.
Originally posted by Tek-Neek55Like you said, no one has authority over a Master Mason... wouldn't a
Master Mason be considered a "rank" or level?
Their just a fully raised mason. They have completed the work to be considered a full mason.
Originally posted by Tek-Neek55And as you speak of democracy, why even try to get elected for anything
if it's not going to result in you progressing through levels?
People go through the chairs as a way of both helping and supporting their lodge, and simply to practice the ritual work, it's all memorization you
must remember, and you can not right it down, so the only way to learn it is practice, practice practice......so it is true that "elected" offices
are for the purpose of gaining in knowledge but nothing that is secret as anyone who is a master mason can watch and participate....it actually is the
younger masons who go through the chairs once you have gone through the elected positions you usually sit on the side and critique....or at least that
has been my experience. Which is why it is often joked that the real clout or influnce in a lodge isn't even with it's master it's the sidelines
where all the previous past masters sit and are sitting and watching, and likely correcting the officers as they go.
Originally posted by Tek-Neek55Like I said, Im not too keen on modern day masonry, but am definetely interested in learning more. It
seems to me that the whole society has been fabricated and manipulated throughout time leaving the "true bloodline" in order of importance
I'm not picking at you when I say this, but I do not beleive you know enough to be either impressed or unimpressed yet. Rather I think like most
people you'd feel a little bit of both. I don't know about a pure "bloodline" as it's not a bloodline type of thing...but I will admit even many
masons feel much of masonry has drifted from it's moral and philosophical teachings, and more toward a "club" and "charity" group. There are many
lodges trying to bring back more education, learning, and more strict ritual work......perhaps in time. The new mood in successful lodges now is
deffinately about "getting back to basics" lodges that simply maufacture dues cards are the ones that do not grow very well.
Originally posted by Tek-Neek55
As a freemason, can YOU be elected into officer positions?
Yes and you usually are as soon as possible as it is the younger members that go through the officer positions so they can learn the work, the
seasoned members usually only assume officer positions if there's not enough new members to fill the positions.
Being an officer in Masonry is not about rank, it's more about learning and practicing. It's work.......many mason choose not to do it all those
would be the ones without much clout at all, but their vote counts the same as everyone elses. I knwo it's counter to what most people on teh outside
think, but the "elected" positions at the lodge level are really not powerful, they just have all the responsibilities tehy get the weekly work
"done"....now the grand lodge officers I suppose they have a bit more influence.....but even their it's considered more of a burden then a reward
as positions go. It's a sacrifice to take those jobs, you won't get paid and you'll have alot of work, it's reward again could be said to be in
it's lessons, and what you get back by giving to the organization you have enjoyed.